Cadaver dissection before med school?

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Hello Everyone? I have a question for you students in medical school. I am finishing my undergraduate degree at the end of this year, and I am applying for 03. I have an opportunity to take a 1 semester cadaver dissection class in the fall (it is 6 credit hours). Would anyone recommend doing this, or should I just wait until (hopefully) the fall of 03 when I take anatomy in medical school? Do you think the experience/learning is worthwhile, or is it an over-kill? Thanks for your opinions!

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I took a cadveric gross anatomy course in undergrad b/c it was required for my major. This was hugely beneficial in the time I spent on gross anatomy in medical school compared to my classmates. Granted, med school anatomy is a little more intense but it sure was nice to "re-learn" about 85% of the structures instead of learning them for the first time.

Not really needed, but it sure won't hurt if you just need a freakin' 6 hour class in undergrad. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
 
certainly it will make anatomy that much easier when you take it in school and may help you adjust to the workload if you have the class 1st semester, but anatomy really isn't that hard to begin with, you'll probably do fine, even really well, without the extra class(most haven't taken anatomy before med school)...i think a better choice would be to do something either fun or more worthwhile, you wont have big chunks of time like this once you start school and its a long road....indeed, i say its overkill unless you are really really worried you wont be able to handle school, and i doubt any school would let you in in the 1st place if they thought that was the case etc.(i.e. dont worry, youll do fine without the class). most people i know really enjoyed and made the most of their year(s) off before school, it gave them perspective.

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I agree with the above posters -- as excited as you may be about "jumping in" to human anatomy, I think that in the long run, you should take advantage to stretch yourself outside of the medical arena while you have the opportunity to do so. The next 7-8 or more years of your life won't give that opportunity.

Personally, I enjoyed my philosophy electives a great deal. Also, you might consider a course that will introduce you to other paradigms for thinking about medicine and it's relationship to broader social structures.

Being a social scientist myself, I can't help but recommend a course in the sociology of medicine or health and public policy. Some of these courses will pre-req Intro Soc. or may only be offered at a grad level (500 or 600 level.) Don't let that stop you if you're interested. Just contact the instructor and explain your interest. More often than not, they'll give you a waiver.

If you want to jump-start anatomy, you can always decorate your room with medical posters... <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
 
Maran

Dont take this the wrong way but are you applying to medical school or do you have more sinister reasons for being on this site (joke)??? I saw that you recruit and I wondered if you were on the site to get at the medical students early. I'm just interested in knowing. My bro is a drug rep and I see him get at those students and residents as early as possible. Actually I think its funny. the students dont know what do to when someone actually cares about what they think or when someone is interested in talking to them.

just curious

later
 
Taking the dissection class will be very very useful for you. It is only in dissection that you really learn the muscles/nerves/arteries/veins, you can't get that from a regular anatomy class where all you do is book-learning and viewing cadavers in lab vs. doing the dissection yourself. You're lucky your school offers that kind of class, many schools don't and maybe the only people who get dissecting experience as an undergrad are the biomedical engineers.

While it will help you reaquaint yourself faster in med school and you'll have an easier time learning it again in med school, if there is another class that you'd like to take, please do so (like a fun elective that you'll never get another chance to take). Yes, the class will make your life easier later, but the same material will be covered so if there's anything else you'd like to take, take the chance.
 
Hey Brian20,

Thanks for asking. Actually, while my company does physician placement, we do very little "traditional recruiting." We have pioneered several new methods that are intended to benefit physicians as professionals and also medicine as a business.

For example, our web site is designed to replace traditional recruiting with a "self-service" model that saves hospitals, clinics and other practices approx. $12,000 per physician placement. Money better spent on staff salaries, diagnostic equipment, etc. -But I'm not looking for an advertising spot here. Besides, none of you are likely to be looking to hire a physician at the moment!

I had seriously considered pursuing medicine as a career, but switched to social science due to three major issues: First, I absolutely HATED organic chem and physics and, at the time, really didn't want to drudge through 3-4 more years of the same. Second, for medical reasons I cannot do the 36 hour shifts currently required of medical residents. I am unable to stay awake for more than about 20 hours without a serious decline in functioning, and then I need a minimum of 6 hours of undisturbed sleep in order to regain normal functioning. This isn't a disability that would prevent the study or practice of medicine -- but I know I would not have survived residency as it was (and is currently) structured. And finally, I LOVED social science. I started in Psychology, and then did grad work in Sociology. I would have gone into Soc. professionally, but I was really turned off by academic politics.

I did originally sign on to the list as an additional resource for reaching medical students about the contractor position you've seen me advertise. But I also send out this information through medical schools (usually the student affairs or financial aid offices, and generally with the approval of a dean though not all schools require that,) e-mail eligible folks directly, and otherwise get the word out. But I continue to participate on the list because:

1) I find many of the discussions interesting

2) I think I have a lot of knowledge about the field of physician placement and employment that could make a valuable contribution to the list -- I'm an old-time internet user and maintain the values of a good "netizen," and

3)I learn a lot about the concerns of medical students and residents that I can use to improve the services available at my company for all of our benefit. (For example, before I asked on this list I did not know that the 3 top sources of income for med students were loans, spouse or other family, and PARTICIPATING AS A PAID SUBJECT IN MEDICAL RESEARCH!!! (ok, the first two I knew, but the 3rd blew me away.)

In the time I've been at Practice Opportunities, I've learned that the underlying philosophy of the owner is to create real value where there is real need, and to develop models of success that are shared: we are successful when we make other people successful. So far, I have loved working here.

Anyway, that's what I'm doing on SDN. I try to distinguish between anything that I say that is related to my work (like advise about the job market, things I've learned talking to residency program directors or from reading CVs, etc.), in which case I use the signature on this message, as opposed to when I'm just participating with my own opinion or feelings, not to be associated with my company in any way, in which case I sign with just my name or no sig at all.

Kind of long, but I hope that answers your question! And I hope none of that sounds particularly "sinister." <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Maran:
•I try to distinguish between anything that I say that is related to my work, in which case I use the signature on this message, as opposed to when I'm just participating with my own opinion or feelings, not to be associated with my company in any way, in which case I sign with just my name or no sig at all.•••••Hi Maran,

I just thought I'd let you know that when you change your signature, it changes on all your previous posts. Take this thread for example, right now your sig seems to represent your professional side, but I'm assuming this is just a personal post, and not related to your work. That's what happens when you change your sig.

If you type out a sig at the end of your post, then this doesn't apply. :)
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Kirk:
•Hello Everyone&#8230; I have a question for you students in medical school. I am finishing my undergraduate degree at the end of this year, and I am applying for 03. I have an opportunity to take a 1 semester cadaver dissection class in the fall (it is 6 credit hours). Would anyone recommend doing this, or should I just wait until (hopefully) the fall of 03 when I take anatomy in medical school? Do you think the experience/learning is worthwhile, or is it an over-kill? Thanks for your opinions!

Kirk•••••Personally I taught gross for a couple of years and everytime I teach it I learn something new...the course is undoubtedly a bitch...some love it some hate it....it also takes alot of work but it will make your life so much easier in med school if you are familiar with things +dissecting
 
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