California: CRNAs Don't Need Supervision

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The Verdict Is In

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Tony Francis, MD, Orthopaedic Surgery, 12:56PM Mar 22, 2012

Thanks to the Law Med Blog for publishing this story. Under arcane Medicare rules, payments for CRNAs giving anesthesia are to be denied to hospitals unless the CRNA is "supervised" by a licensed physician. There is an opt out rule. The governor of the state can issue an executive order that, after reviewing the situation with the state medical board, declares it is safe for CRNAs to operate without supervision. Then the Medicare payments to hospitals for CRNAs can be allowed. This is what happened in California. Governor Arnold Schwartzenegger signed an order that CRNAs didn't need physician supervision. It was upheld by his successor, Governor Jerry Brown. Various California physician groups sued to overturn the orders, claiming California law required their attendance during anesthesia. In 2010, a state judge in San Francisco disagreed and sided with the CRNAs, determining that California State law did not require physician supervision. And it never had.

Recently, the First District Court of Appeal in San Francisco upheld the ruling of the lower court. This keeps the order of the governor intact. CRNAs in California do not need physician supervision.

Several questions immediately emerge. What does "supervision" mean? No one seems to know. As the Law Med blog notes, it depends on who is using it. Supervision could be having the anesthesiologist looking over the shoulder of the CRNA during the entire procedure. That is neither practical nor necessary. If an anesthesiologist is necessary, then why have the CRNA in the first place?

Another interpretation is that the anesthesiologist sits out in the surgery lounge drinking coffee, but is close at hand.

A third possibility is the anesthesiologist co-signs the CRNA's record, and presumably collects a fee for not doing very much.

The Law Med blog also pointed out that physicians such as dermatologists and podiatrists could be the "supervising" physician. I was a little skeptical of this at first. But as Law Med blog kindly noted, it is usually the ordering physician who would be doing the supervising. Or it could be that way. And dermatologists are now routinely performing cosmetic procedures. So another question emerges. "Just how is the operating surgeon supposed to 'supervise' anesthesia?" This too, seems highly impractical. First of all, dermatologists and podiatrists generally don't know much about anesthesia. And neither do other categories of surgeons. And if they are operating, how are they supposed to monitor anesthesia?

This led me to one more question. How does all this play out under California's Captain of the Ship Doctrine (COTSD)? Most states have been moving away from COTSD in med mal cases. But California went back the other way in the 2006 in Fields v. Yusuf.

In late 2006, the California Court of Appeal (Second Circuit, Division 2) reviewed Fields v. Yusuf (2006) In that case, a patient presented to the hospital for pain management after she sustained injuries from a fall. Studies revealed that arteries in plaintiff Fields’ right leg were completely blocked due to advanced vascular disease. Dr. Yusuf performed arterial bypass graft surgery to place a new blood vessel in Fields’ right leg, inserting sponges to absorb and stem the flow of blood. The postoperative notes show that two sponge counts were conducted and that the counts were correct.

The next day, Dr. Yusuf performed a second surgery to remove a blood clot that had developed in the graft. He was assisted in this surgery by a registered nurse and a scrub technician. Dr. Yusuf had worked with both of these assistants for several years. During the second surgery, Dr. Yusuf again inserted sponges to absorb and stem the flow of blood. The postoperative notes indicate that there was only one sponge count during this surgery, and that Dr. Yusuf was informed that the count was correct. Unfortunately, a sponge was left in Fields’ leg during this surgery. Several complications followed, which resulted in the loss of Fields’ leg. Fields filed a complaint for negligence against the hospital and Dr. Yusuf.

At trial, expert testimony established that Dr. Yusuf and the operating room nurses shared a “joint responsibility” for ensuring a correct sponge count. Expert testimony further established that the surgeon, Dr. Yusuf, had the ultimate responsibility to ensure that the sponge counts were accurate. Dr. Yusuf’s expert testified that it was within the standard of care for Dr. Yusuf to rely on the nurses’ sponge count when the count was reported as correct and there were no foreign bodies observed in the operating field. He testified that the number of sponge counts and the manner in which they were performed were the responsibility of the nurses and not the physician. This was established by the hospital’s own policies and procedures. Fields requested that the trial court instruct the jury regarding the “captain of the ship” doctrine, among other instructions. The court refused. Ultimately, the jury found that Dr. Yusuf was not negligent, and the trial court entered judgment in his favor. This appeal followed. The Court of Appeals concluded that it was reasonably probable that the jury might have reached a different result if it had been properly instructed on the “captain of the ship” doctrine. The court’s decision has given the previously ailing doctrine a new set of sails.

In light of that case, it seems the operating surgeon should be liable in California for CRNA negligence. I posed the question on the Med Law blog and was promptly supplied an answer. California case law has never recognized physician responsibility for CRNA negligence. A series of cases documenting this is presented on their blog in the comments section.

So here is the situation in California. The surgeon (or other physician) orders anesthesia from a CRNA. The CRNA administers drugs ordered by the physician. The CRNA is an independent actor, not needing "supervision," what ever that means.

So one more question came up. What about Respondeat Superior? If the physician must order both the CRNA's services and the drugs used by the CRNA during the procedure, isn't a kind of master-servant relationship established? Once again, the Law Med blog assures me this has never been the case.

If all this leaves you shaking your head, don't feel bad. As with all regulatory cases that end up being decided in court, new questions arise which were not answered by the case at hand. Or even contemplated in the first place.

The entire report from the Law Med blog is found here, including the decision by the California Appellate Court and other relevant links.


http://lawmedconsultant.com/3146/ca...thetists-can-practice-without-doc-supervision

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beginning of the end my friends.

beginning of the end my friends.

smh smh

i feel bad for those entering the field

beginning of the end my friends.
there will be many patients hurt by relaxing the standards. but who cares we'll save money right?
 
Maybe dr. Francis should spend his time educating himself on our very strict rules delineating supervision and medical direction instead of writing a very uninformed blog post that has no real substance. I have news for dr Francis, if a pt goes bad in the or and it's a crna only room, he will most definitely be named in the lawsuit. He will be the only doctor in the room, he will have the deepest pockets. Maybe he will be the first to get to defend himself for in this situation.
 
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Why are surgeons not more worried about this? Seems like they re at greater risk than even Anesthesiologists are. There maybe fewer cases for Anesthesiologists to work on but its the surgeons that will get ultimate liability and get sued or lose their licenses since they are the physician ("captain of the ship") in the OR at the time.

Once this happens a few times and surgeons start to request Anesthesiologist to be present during their surgeries things may change?
 
Why are surgeons not more worried about this? Seems like they re at greater risk than even Anesthesiologists are. There maybe fewer cases for Anesthesiologists to work on but its the surgeons that will get ultimate liability and get sued or lose their licenses since they are the physician ("captain of the ship") in the OR at the time.

Once this happens a few times and surgeons start to request Anesthesiologist to be present during their surgeries things may change?
agreed...

surgeons ,etc do not understand the GRAVE risk of doing this. THey will constantly be distracted from doing the task at hand (their surgery).

Also, when the patient has post operative stridor, SOB, CP, frothy sputum coming out of the tube/mouth, anaphylactic rxns, post op discomfort, PONV, what are they going to do ? The CRNA will be out the door at 230PM sharp.

It's ridiculous how surgeons are commenting about anesthesia. They shoudl stick to their own specialty's concerns...
 
The surgeons dont want us around. Why would they want us around so we can tell them how to manage the patient? Just another obstacle. in 10-15 years california will be in real trouble with CRNA groups displacing anesthesiologists bidding for hospital contracts and most certainly ambulatory surgical centers. Major problems in 15 years. Patients will also be at greater risk NO question.

Fron a lawyer:

The latest tectonic event in this regard: A March 15, 2012, ruling of the California Court of Appeal, the state's intermediary level court, that was of little surprise to legal scholars but of tremendous angst to the California Medical Association and the California Society of Anesthesologists, in which the court affirmed that California law does not require that CRNAs be supervised by physicians. In other words, unless overturned by the California Supreme Court, CRNAs may practice independently in California.

Although there are e-Alert subscribers across the country, several elements of California law, and of the court's reasoning, are instructive as to the future of independent allied health professional practice nationally.

The court relied on California statutory law that states that the Board of Registered Nursing, and no other agency, is vested with the power to define the scope of nursing practice, as well as the fact that there is specific statutory authority for the fact that CRNAs may administer anesthesia to implement a treatment ordered by a physician - the surgeon.

And as recognized by the court, the statutory intent behind state's Nursing Practice Act was incorporated into that law itself: ". . . the Legislature recognizes that nursing is a dynamic field, the practice of which is continually evolving to include more sophisticated patient care activities. . . . It is the legislative intent also to recognize the existence of overlapping functions between physicians and registered nurses and to permit additional sharing of functions within organized health care systems that provide for collaboration between physicians and registered nurses. . . " (emphasis added).

What this means to you.

Whether you are an anesthesiologist or a CRNA, if you're based in California this means that it can almost be guaranteed that competition for exclusive contracts, both at ambulatory surgery centers and at hospitals, will increase as CRNA groups begin to seek those arrangements.

If you are an anesthesiologist practicing in a state that does not permit independent CRNA practice, it means that there will likely be increasing political pressure within your state for both an opt out from Medicare's physician supervision requirement and, if necessary, an expansion of the definition of nursing, and of the role of nurses, to accommodate it. In other words, competition is destined to get tougher for you, too.

If you are a physician practicing in another specialty area anywhere in the country, or if you are any other type of allied health professional, consider that this latest chapter in California, and this issue concerning CRNAs, is a bellwether as to the expanding future for allied health professional practice.

For each of you, the competitive landscape within healthcare is both dynamic and changing rapidly.

Competition, once limited to a somewhat benign concern that a group from across town would pick up a stray opportunity before you could, or even more remotely, seek to displace you in your current practice, has burgeoned.

In addition to aggressive local groups, there are true national groups in many specialty areas seeking to expand across the country, there are staffing services and practice management companies masquerading as groups, seeking to do the same thing, and now in some states, and soon in yours, there will be groups of allied health professionals who will be seeking those same opportunities.

This simply further underscores the fact that you must adopt actual business structures and must seek to provide unique value, what I called an Experience Monopoly, to your facilities, referring physicians, patients and the larger medical staff and community at large.

If you simply continue to provide a "service," even a good service in terms of clinical competence, you will only be providing a commodity, one that I can guarantee you will be provided for less or with more panache by one of your competitors in a race to the lowest bottom line.
 
The surgeons dont want us around. Why would they want us around so we can tell them how to manage the patient? Just another obstacle. in 10-15 years california will be in real trouble with CRNA groups displacing anesthesiologists bidding for hospital contracts and most certainly ambulatory surgical centers. Major problems in 15 years. Patients will also be at greater risk NO question.

Fron a lawyer:

The latest tectonic event in this regard: A March 15, 2012, ruling of the California Court of Appeal, the state's intermediary level court, that was of little surprise to legal scholars but of tremendous angst to the California Medical Association and the California Society of Anesthesologists, in which the court affirmed that California law does not require that CRNAs be supervised by physicians. In other words, unless overturned by the California Supreme Court, CRNAs may practice independently in California.

Although there are e-Alert subscribers across the country, several elements of California law, and of the court's reasoning, are instructive as to the future of independent allied health professional practice nationally.

The court relied on California statutory law that states that the Board of Registered Nursing, and no other agency, is vested with the power to define the scope of nursing practice, as well as the fact that there is specific statutory authority for the fact that CRNAs may administer anesthesia to implement a treatment ordered by a physician - the surgeon.

And as recognized by the court, the statutory intent behind state's Nursing Practice Act was incorporated into that law itself: ". . . the Legislature recognizes that nursing is a dynamic field, the practice of which is continually evolving to include more sophisticated patient care activities. . . . It is the legislative intent also to recognize the existence of overlapping functions between physicians and registered nurses and to permit additional sharing of functions within organized health care systems that provide for collaboration between physicians and registered nurses. . . " (emphasis added).

What this means to you.

Whether you are an anesthesiologist or a CRNA, if you're based in California this means that it can almost be guaranteed that competition for exclusive contracts, both at ambulatory surgery centers and at hospitals, will increase as CRNA groups begin to seek those arrangements.

If you are an anesthesiologist practicing in a state that does not permit independent CRNA practice, it means that there will likely be increasing political pressure within your state for both an opt out from Medicare's physician supervision requirement and, if necessary, an expansion of the definition of nursing, and of the role of nurses, to accommodate it. In other words, competition is destined to get tougher for you, too.

If you are a physician practicing in another specialty area anywhere in the country, or if you are any other type of allied health professional, consider that this latest chapter in California, and this issue concerning CRNAs, is a bellwether as to the expanding future for allied health professional practice.

For each of you, the competitive landscape within healthcare is both dynamic and changing rapidly.

Competition, once limited to a somewhat benign concern that a group from across town would pick up a stray opportunity before you could, or even more remotely, seek to displace you in your current practice, has burgeoned.

In addition to aggressive local groups, there are true national groups in many specialty areas seeking to expand across the country, there are staffing services and practice management companies masquerading as groups, seeking to do the same thing, and now in some states, and soon in yours, there will be groups of allied health professionals who will be seeking those same opportunities.

This simply further underscores the fact that you must adopt actual business structures and must seek to provide unique value, what I called an Experience Monopoly, to your facilities, referring physicians, patients and the larger medical staff and community at large.

If you simply continue to provide a "service," even a good service in terms of clinical competence, you will only be providing a commodity, one that I can guarantee you will be provided for less or with more panache by one of your competitors in a race to the lowest bottom line.

good post...
 
Surgeons don't care they just that their case go smoothly without delay. Had a surgeon who decided it would be a good idea to do a robo hysto on a morbidly obese pt. Then he gets all mad at me because I tell him that we cant give him maximum t-burg bc I can't push more than 250cc of TV and the CO2 is in the 60s. I tries to tell him it wasn't a good idea bit he insisted that the compliance will get better as the operation goes on because that's been his experience.

It's all good though, once a few of em get sued and realize they can't handle these pts themselves there will be plenty of demand for our services. We will be able to negotiate for the well paying Asa 1s and 2s as part of our compensation so I'm not too worried
 
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