California resident moving to a different state

[burner0192]

Hello SDN,

I'm a California resident planning on moving to a different state because the cost of living (mostly rent) is too damn high. I'll be applying to medical school in two years and am wondering if I should apply as a California resident or a resident of the state that I've moved to. I'm currently undecided as to which state but I have considered Texas and Arizona because I know they just love California transplants there . Please let me know your thoughts!

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[burner0192]

Texas is the best state, they have their own app TMDSAS and accept 90% in-state

Do you think Texas adcoms would frown on my short time being a resident? By the time of application this would be only a few months.

 

[RangerBob]

What are you moving to the new state for--to finish an education, or will you be working? Unless you're out of state for school, you'll need to pay taxes to your new state, get new DL/plates, and wouldn't be able to call CA your state of residency anymore.

Personally I'd avoid AZ. I'd take a midwest winter any day over an AZ summer...

 

[m1redsox]

For the TMDSAS, I believe you must have established residency in TX for at least 1 year to be considered in-state.

 

[Rachapkis]

California state schools are extremely competitive, so you increase your odds of being accepted to an in-state medical school if you can become a resident of another state. However, as others have pointed out, you should make sure that you will meet the residency requirements for the medical schools of the state you move to.

 

[EdgeTrimmer]

I do believe Texas schools give some preference to instate UGs vs OOS UGs. This is based on anecdotal data.

 

[wysdoc]

For the TMDSAS, I believe you must have established residency in TX for at least 1 year to be considered in-state.

If you are not a dependent on you parent's taxes, and move to Texas to live and work (minimum 20 hours a week) and not primarily to attend school, you can establish Texas residency that way. If your parents still claim you, ask them not to going forward.

By the date of the TMDSAS application deadline, October 1, 2022, if you have lived and worked in TX by then for 12 months or longer, you will qualify.
Look under the heading "Requirements" here: Texas Residency Overview

or my SDN post here: #1

 

[EdgeTrimmer]

that is utterly incorrect. The acceptance rate of TMDSAS for instate residents is about 36%. That is 36% of instate residents who apply matriculate at Texas school (compared to 41% of AMCAS)



Texas law requires that at least 90% of matriculants must be residents of Texas as defined by stringent criteria set forth by the Texas Education Commission and determined by TMDSAS at time of application submissions. Individual medical schools in Texas have no say in the matter as state residency is determined prior to seeing an application

historically, Texas matriculates 92% IS residents and 8% OOS
https://www.txhes.com/_resources/docs/stats/ey19/MedStats-EY19.pdf

I am aware of the law, but what prevents the adcoms to prefer someone who went to school (HS or UG) in TX vs those who moved after UG (either parents o themselves)?

 

[wysdoc]

that is utterly incorrect. The acceptance rate of TMDSAS for instate residents is about 36%. That is 36% of instate residents who apply matriculate at Texas school (compared to 41% of AMCAS)



Texas law requires that at least 90% of matriculants must be residents of Texas as defined by stringent criteria set forth by the Texas Education Commission and determined by TMDSAS at time of application submissions. Individual medical schools in Texas have no say in the matter as state residency is determined prior to seeing an application

historically, Texas matriculates 92% IS residents and 8% OOS
https://www.txhes.com/_resources/docs/stats/ey19/MedStats-EY19.pdf

And last year, @gonnif , Texas percentage was even lower. 4577 Texans applied and 1501 matriculated = 32.8%
1476 OOS applied and 121 matriculated = 8.2%
I don't mean to sound critical, just analytical, but I think part of the reason for the low percentage is that some people who are in no way prepared to apply to med school throw that application into the ring anyhow. Some don't even turn in their secondaries.

So when people say "it's easier" to get into med school if you're a Texan, they are not right.
However, if you do get into med school as a Texan, it's likely to be in Texas.
These 2 statements seem contradictory but are not!

 

[PigsHaveWings]

I had previously posted this data from the AAMC tables during a discussion about whether california is a difficult state to be in for premeds. I completely agree with @gonnif that Texas is not such a easy state as people believe to be, just because they have the TMDSAS. Arizona is not easy either, it is one of the worst. See table excerpted from AAMC below.

Puerto Rico is clearly the easiest state.

Have sorted the states from easiest to toughest based on chance of matriculating by state

	MCAT	GPA	Matriculants	Applicants	Chance of matriculating
Kentucky	508.5	3.77	360	613	59
West Virginia	506.4	3.74	140	247	57
Vermont	512.4	3.7	56	104	54
Rhode Island	514.2	3.77	58	117	50
Indiana	512.2	3.81	379	765	50
South Dakota	509.4	3.74	80	164	49
Massachusetts	514.5	3.72	624	1298	48
Puerto Rico	499	3.62	304	636	48
Arkansas	507.5	3.73	178	374	48
New Mexico	506.1	3.74	126	265	48
New York	512.7	3.69	1674	3530	47
New Hampshire	514.2	3.72	55	117	47
Nebraska	511.5	3.78	145	309	47
Pennsylvania	513.1	3.74	767	1642	47
Ohio	511.4	3.75	825	1794	46
Connecticut	514.1	3.72	282	615	46
Alabama	508.8	3.77	265	579	46
District of Columbia	511.8	3.55	47	103	46
Montana	508.1	3.74	57	126	45
New Jersey	513.1	3.72	873	1934	45
Wisconsin	512.1	3.76	373	827	45
South Carolina	509.2	3.74	326	724	45
Maryland	512.5	3.69	528	1173	45
Louisiana	507.8	3.71	391	869	45
Alaska	509.4	3.68	41	95	43
Missouri	511.4	3.8	332	771	43
Kansas	510.4	3.78	222	524	42
Oklahoma	508.9	3.79	187	446	42
Minnesota	511.6	3.74	418	997	42
California	513.6	3.69	2603	6228	42
Illinois	511.6	3.71	934	2241	42
Wyoming	511.3	3.78	29	70	41
Tennessee	510.2	3.72	355	857	41
Maine	512.2	3.7	41	99	41
Michigan	511.1	3.73	811	1974	41
Nevada	510.1	3.71	140	341	41
NATIONWIDE	511.5	3.73	21869	53371	41
North Carolina	512	3.68	537	1322	41
Mississippi	503.8	3.77	185	457	40
Georgia	510	3.71	654	1616	40
Washington	512.4	3.69	448	1135	39
Virginia	512.9	3.68	541	1407	38
Hawaii	511.5	3.74	101	265	38
Delaware	512.7	3.72	38	101	38
Idaho	510.1	3.78	75	201	37
Oregon	512.6	3.74	205	572	36
Colorado	512.9	3.75	300	845	36
Texas	511.4	3.77	1720	4895	35
Iowa	512.4	3.81	128	368	35
North Dakota	507.1	3.8	53	155	34
Florida	510.7	3.74	1189	3493	34
Utah	513.4	3.79	212	632	34
Arizona	511.1	3.77	300	916	33

 

[whataschool_classof24]

Texas is the best state, they have their own app TMDSAS and accept 90% in-state

Texas has become increasingly competitive each cycle with around 32% of in state applicants getting accepted to tmdsas schools. This 32% acceptance rate also includes tcom (a very large DO school) as tcom is a tmdsas member so the acceptance rate for an instate Texan into a Texas MD school is probably south of 30%, not good odds. I wouldn’t recommend Texas for chances of getting in (go to Alabama if that’s what you’re trying to do), but the cost of tuition here is amazing

 

[piii]

Texas is the best state, they have their own app TMDSAS and accept 90% in-state

Texas has a lower in state acceptance rate than California..

 

[OfMiceAndWomen]

I had previously posted this data from the AAMC tables during a discussion about whether california is a difficult state to be in for premeds. I completely agree with @gonnif that Texas is not such a easy state as people believe to be, just because they have the TMDSAS. Arizona is not easy either, it is one of the worst. See table excerpted from AAMC below.

Puerto Rico is clearly the easiest state.

Have sorted the states from easiest to toughest based on chance of matriculating by state

	MCAT	GPA	Matriculants	Applicants	Chance of matriculating
Kentucky	508.5	3.77	360	613	59
West Virginia	506.4	3.74	140	247	57
Vermont	512.4	3.7	56	104	54
Rhode Island	514.2	3.77	58	117	50
Indiana	512.2	3.81	379	765	50
South Dakota	509.4	3.74	80	164	49
Massachusetts	514.5	3.72	624	1298	48
Puerto Rico	499	3.62	304	636	48
Arkansas	507.5	3.73	178	374	48
New Mexico	506.1	3.74	126	265	48
New York	512.7	3.69	1674	3530	47
New Hampshire	514.2	3.72	55	117	47
Nebraska	511.5	3.78	145	309	47
Pennsylvania	513.1	3.74	767	1642	47
Ohio	511.4	3.75	825	1794	46
Connecticut	514.1	3.72	282	615	46
Alabama	508.8	3.77	265	579	46
District of Columbia	511.8	3.55	47	103	46
Montana	508.1	3.74	57	126	45
New Jersey	513.1	3.72	873	1934	45
Wisconsin	512.1	3.76	373	827	45
South Carolina	509.2	3.74	326	724	45
Maryland	512.5	3.69	528	1173	45
Louisiana	507.8	3.71	391	869	45
Alaska	509.4	3.68	41	95	43
Missouri	511.4	3.8	332	771	43
Kansas	510.4	3.78	222	524	42
Oklahoma	508.9	3.79	187	446	42
Minnesota	511.6	3.74	418	997	42
California	513.6	3.69	2603	6228	42
Illinois	511.6	3.71	934	2241	42
Wyoming	511.3	3.78	29	70	41
Tennessee	510.2	3.72	355	857	41
Maine	512.2	3.7	41	99	41
Michigan	511.1	3.73	811	1974	41
Nevada	510.1	3.71	140	341	41
NATIONWIDE	511.5	3.73	21869	53371	41
North Carolina	512	3.68	537	1322	41
Mississippi	503.8	3.77	185	457	40
Georgia	510	3.71	654	1616	40
Washington	512.4	3.69	448	1135	39
Virginia	512.9	3.68	541	1407	38
Hawaii	511.5	3.74	101	265	38
Delaware	512.7	3.72	38	101	38
Idaho	510.1	3.78	75	201	37
Oregon	512.6	3.74	205	572	36
Colorado	512.9	3.75	300	845	36
Texas	511.4	3.77	1720	4895	35
Iowa	512.4	3.81	128	368	35
North Dakota	507.1	3.8	53	155	34
Florida	510.7	3.74	1189	3493	34
Utah	513.4	3.79	212	632	34
Arizona	511.1	3.77	300	916	33

Country roads, take me home
To the place I belong
West Virginiaaaa

 

[whataschool_classof24]

Source? Cali has a higher population and its schools are not legally required to have an in-state bias. Plus, you also have to adjust for stats. Doesn't CA has a higher median MCAT and GPA than TX?

EDIT: https://www.aamc.org/system/files/2019-11/2019_FACTS_Table_A-5.pdf

CA does have a lower in-state matriculation rate.

https://www.aamc.org/system/files/2019-11/2019_FACTS_Table_A-20.pdf

CA has a higher MCAT but lower GPA than TX.

I think CA is still a bit more difficult than TX in terms of an instater getting in. I think the main point that others (and myself) were trying to make was that Texas MD admissions is no longer an easy in like it might have been ten years ago. And also, some Texa schools really don't follow the 90% rule strictly if you look at their class makeup.