Can I talk about getting my girlfriend pregnant in "challenge you have faced" essay?

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A lot of the secondaries are asking things like

Please describe to the Admissions Committee a challenge you have overcome and what you learned about yourself from that experience.


Describe a problem in your life. Include how you dealt with it and how it influenced your growth.

I saw on the past threads that @LizzyM said adcoms want to know your mechanisms of what you do when **** hits the fan.

Can I talk about how my girlfriend got pregnant, we freaked out, and then she got an abortion? Will this get me rejected because there was poor judgment in regards to birth control and adcoms will be like "this guy is not fit for med school".

I don't know if it's too risque. Please advise.
 
In addition to all of the other advice -- YOU didn't do anything. Your GF made YOUR problem go away.


Added: To clarify, I'm NOT suggesting that you pressured her to abort, abandoned her to deal with the problem alone, supported her unquestioningly, or anything in between. Just noting that ultimately, it was your GF's decision and action, not yours, that resolved the problem.
 
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I was not trolling guys. It was a serious question, but thank you! I'll stay away from that one.
 
In addition to all of the other advice -- YOU didn't do anything. Your GF made YOUR problem go away.
To be fair, we don't know really any important part of the story. Maybe OP stepped up and offered to support her in whatever decision she made, and to 100% support the kid no matter what happened. Maybe the girlfriend made the decision because of where she was at in life, but it was still hard for her and she needed someone to lean on emotionally throughout the process, and OP was that person. Maybe OP was there for her even though they personally would have preferred to raise the child, or at least seen it go for adoption, but he respected her bodily autonomy and right to make decisions about her future. We just don't know, other than that they 'both freaked out', which...seems perfectly normal for a surprise pregnancy no matter the outcome.

I agree that this is a poor choice of topic for a PS, because it hits so many controversial areas and brings politics into the picture...but I don't like the knee-jerk reaction in this thread that he didn't step up, or take responsibility, or that it was his girlfriend's problem and hers alone. Indeed, the fact that this was a challenge for him implies to me that he didn't just walk away. I hate to see people getting called out as irresponsible for deciding that they are not in a good place to raise a child, and doubly so for OP since he wasn't even the one with the final decision. Just some thoughts. :shrug:
 
A lot of the secondaries are asking things like Please describe to the Admissions Committee a challenge you have overcome and what you learned about yourself from that experience.
Please advise.

Why not do one on when you tried to make a troll post, but then failed, and realized how sad it was?
 
Hahaha i got a good laugh thank you OP i got a final tomorrow~~


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In my day, trolls were trolls!

Well at least we got a LizzyM wordplay

I expected this to be about the challenge of getting her pregnant. That might be risque. (But overcoming infertility and/or impotence is anything but titillating.) Writing about what really happened is just risky.
 
I'm against abortions, but I firmly believe the world would be a better place if OP was aborted.

Just kidding, but in all seriousness don't troll if you aren't going to be funny
 
Getting the girlfriend to press the Ctrl-Z button might have been the challenge.
There are a whole host of ways that this could have been challenging for OP. Just because they didn't end up raising a child doesn't mean that it wasn't a difficult decision for him and his girlfriend both. I don't know why everyone is jumping on the guy like it's assumed that he browbeat his poor gf into aborting.
 
I don't know why everyone is jumping on the guy like it's assumed that he browbeat his poor gf into aborting.

His name is 'downthedrain1231' if you haven't noticed. You're looking too much into a troll post.

As others have stated, putting his life, education and career on hold in order to raise his child would be a struggle worth mentioning.
 
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I'm against abortions, but I firmly believe the world would be a better place if OP was aborted.

Just kidding, but in all seriousness don't troll if you aren't going to be funny

Agreed, though the responses in this case made it a good read
 
His name is 'downthedrain1231' if you haven't noticed. He wants to demonstrate that he will stay in control when sh1t hits the fan but yet he and his gf decide to abort the child as a way of doing so? You're looking too much into a troll post.
I'm looking too much into things, but you're sitting there analyzing the username instead of just responding to the post as given? I'm sorry, not about to dismiss everything as a troll post when
a) it's actually a reasonable question. Would be utterly stupid to write about this in an app, but it's perfectly reasonable to view this as a challenging time in his life.
b) the responses bother me far more than the OP. If the point of trolls is to cause a reaction, OP failed. The subsequent posts, however, have been maddeningly short-sighted and judgemental.
c) I don't troll hunt, I don't listen to troll-hunters, I don't find identifying a troll as a point of pride, and I think troll-hunting like what you're doing stifles conversations and makes the site a worse place.
d) this is a new thread topic. Which is a rare and valuable commodity on here, no matter what spawns it.
e) regardless of OP, the kinds of attitudes displayed in this thread compel me to say something, people are being ridiculous and judgemental. That's either a real reflection of people's real attitudes, in which case the discussion is pretty damn necessary, or else it's people being ridiculous because they're so busy patting themselves on the back for 'catching' a troll. In which case I'm sure as hell not going to perpetuate the problem by joining them in it.
 
I'm looking too much into things, but you're sitting there analyzing the username instead of just responding to the post as given? I'm sorry, not about to dismiss everything as a troll post when
a) it's actually a reasonable question. Would be utterly stupid to write about this in an app, but it's perfectly reasonable to view this as a challenging time in his life.
b) the responses bother me far more than the OP. If the point of trolls is to cause a reaction, OP failed. The subsequent posts, however, have been maddeningly short-sighted and judgemental.
c) I don't troll hunt, I don't listen to troll-hunters, I don't find identifying a troll as a point of pride, and I think troll-hunting like what you're doing stifles conversations and makes the site a worse place.
d) this is a new thread topic. Which is a rare and valuable commodity on here, no matter what spawns it.
e) regardless of OP, the kinds of attitudes displayed in this thread compel me to say something, people are being ridiculous and judgemental. That's either a real reflection of people's real attitudes, in which case the discussion is pretty damn necessary, or else it's people being ridiculous because they're so busy patting themselves on the back for 'catching' a troll. In which case I'm sure as hell not going to perpetuate the problem by joining them in it.
You've said "troll" enough times for me to not take you seriously.

This is not a reasonable question. By all means OP, put something as foolish as this in your app to the best of your ability and tell me how it works out. This could have been a reasonable question, but with the way he phrased it, it's clearly the work of either a troll or a *****, neither of which should be in the field of medicine.
 
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You've said "troll" enough times for me to not take you seriously.

This is not a reasonable question. By all means OP, put something as foolish as this in your app to the best of your ability and tell me how it works out.
I'm not the one who brought that word up...I don't believe in IDing trolls. It's literally worse than the trolls themselves, not to mention that I think people are wrong in their ID at least 50% of the time, because they have too much faith in the human race and equate 'dumb question' with 'troll post' even though those people are the ones who actually need advice the most! I mean, hell, look at OP's only followup response...it's exactly what you'd expect from a standard OP.
Yeah. I'm my mind it was not a reasonable question. If I'm at work and an elderly patient asks me something or says something totally off the wall under normal circumstances I fully address those concerns as reasonable.
Hmm...let me rephrase. This is a stupid question, but to me it's perfectly reasonable to think that someone would ask a question this dumb without the intent of trolling, or that the response may be useful to someone down the line with their own stupid question. It's also not ridiculous that OP would see this time as a challenging one...the only ridiculous part is that they think it may be appropriate to write about, but as I said above, stupid questions happen.

I never once intended to insinuate that you would perform poorly at your job or not properly respond to future patients over any of this BS. I don't think I said anything of the sort?
 
I never once intended to insinuate that you would perform poorly at your job or not properly respond to future patients over any of this BS. I don't think I said anything of the sort?

No, but my point was that sometimes off the wall concerns and silly comments are to be taken seriously under certain circumstances. Sometimes like on an anonymous online message board with a troll name and one post they will not be.
 
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No, but my point was that sometimes off the wall concerns and comments are to be taken seriously under certain circumstances. Sometimes like on an anonymous online message board with a troll name and one post they will not be.
Or you could just always answer them as if they're serious, because people other than the OP can read the responses, and because you don't know if OP is a troll or just someone asking a silly question, and because it prevents you (not you specifically) from coming across as dismissive/judgemental. When in doubt, treat them like a person.

Also, OP's name just struck me as a name for a throwaway account (because you don't post about your gf's abortion under your real one), and their only response to this thread was very non-trollish.
 
Or you could just always answer them as if they're serious, because people other than the OP can read the responses, and because you don't know if OP is a troll or just someone asking a silly question, and because it prevents you (not you specifically) from coming across as dismissive/judgemental. When in doubt, treat them like a person.

Also, OP's name just struck me as a name for a throwaway account (because you don't post about your gf's abortion under your real one), and their only response to this thread was very non-trollish.

I agree. Troll hunters are annoying since they don't accomplish anything by claiming to spot trolls. Real trollhunting is to not say anything, report the troll posts, and let the mods take care of it.
 
I agree. Troll hunters are annoying since they don't accomplish anything by claiming to spot trolls. Real trollhunting is to not say anything, report the troll posts, and let the mods take care of it.
You can always do both. OP is pretty obviously a troll. But even if he's not he can now see his idea sounds so absurd as to be deemed trollish. A few of the better trolls on here manage to make it to a few hundred posts before lowering the boom. OP shot his load in his very first post and was quickly outed, a weak amateurish effort. So not only is he a troll, he's not even good at it.

Trolling is a problem for an advice oriented hoard - some people don't always know whether the posts they are reading are sincere. You can diminish the utility of a lot of good advice by burying it under dozens of troll threads So the community on here can help by outing them and getting them quickly banned. The lounge is a good example of what SDN would become without this.
 
No, i wouldn't write about that in a secondary. It's emotionally charged for many, and you're just as likely to get an adcom that views abortion as murder as you are to view needing an abortion as evidence of shortsightedness, impulsivity, and poor self control. You can avoid the risk by simply choosing another topic
 
TBH I think a lot of people really jumped down this guys throat. I can imagine a decent essay being written if the OP wrote it from the perspective of being very supportive of a loved one in a tough time.
 
lol I thought this was going to say you had trouble starting a family and it caused stress on your relationship. Sounds like you took the easy way out :laugh:
 
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You can always do both. OP is pretty obviously a troll. But even if he's not he can now see his idea sounds so absurd as to be deemed trollish. A few of the better trolls on here manage to make it to a few hundred posts before lowering the boom. OP shot his load in his very first post and was quickly outed, a weak amateurish effort. So not only is he a troll, he's not even good at it.

Trolling is a problem for an advice oriented hoard - some people don't always know whether the posts they are reading are sincere. You can diminish the utility of a lot of good advice by burying it under dozens of troll threads So the community on here can help by outing them and getting them quickly banned. The lounge is a good example of what SDN would become without this.
No, see, if you respond to the posts sincerely, whether you think they're trolls or not, people will always be reading sincere advice. Who cares if the question is sincere, it's the responses that matter. Trolling results in weird questions. Troll-hunting results in insincere, condescending, useless responses. Of the two, it's the hunting that does the most damage, especially since I'd wager that most people's troll-dars are hypersensitive and throw a lot of false positives. Never underestimate the neurotic premed's ability to ask a question that seems silly/obvious to you, but was real for them.

The lounge is a good example of what happens when everyone spends their time deriding each other's posts...which again, is more of a troll-hunting behavior than a trolling one.
 
No, see, if you respond to the posts sincerely, whether you think they're trolls or not, people will always be reading sincere advice. Who cares if the question is sincere, it's the responses that matter. Trolling results in weird questions. Troll-hunting results in insincere, condescending, useless responses. Of the two, it's the hunting that does the most damage, especially since I'd wager that most people's troll-dars are hypersensitive and throw a lot of false positives. Never underestimate the neurotic premed's ability to ask a question that seems silly/obvious to you, but was real for them.

The lounge is a good example of what happens when everyone spends their time deriding each other's posts...which again, is more of a troll-hunting behavior than a trolling one.
If you believe the OPs post was sincere your trolldar is on the fritz big-time. Sorry. There was no obvious hypersensitivity by troll hunters here --just absurd denial on your part IMHO.

But fine - if you think someone used their first SDN post to see if talking about their abortion in a med school essay was a good idea, by all means feel free to answer. The rest of us are totally within reason to say "epic fail and pretty weak trolling effort". As mentioned, the better trolls look at it as an art form and keep us guessing, the bad ones get called out in the first handful of posts. This was a bad one. You really need to pick your battles and not burn your credibility defending one of the bad ones if you hope to win your point.
 
If you believe the OPs post was sincere your trolldar is on the fritz big-time. Sorry. There was no obvious hypersensitivity by troll hunters here --just absurd denial on your part IMHO.

But fine - if you think someone used their first SDN post to see if talking about their abortion in a med school essay was a good idea, by all means feel free to answer. The rest of us are totally within reason to say "epic fail and pretty weak trolling effort". As mentioned, the better trolls look at it as an art form and keep us guessing, the bad ones get called out in the first handful of posts. This was a bad one. You really need to pick your battles and not burn your credibility defending one of the bad ones if you hope to win your point.
I will always defend ALL of the question-askers, 'good ones' and 'bad ones', because I think that calling out trolls and turning threads into a condescending 'pat-yourself-on-the-back-for-being-SO-smart' fest is 8000x worse than the worst trolling. I don't bother assessing whether the person posng the question is a troll, because it doesn't (and shouldn't) change my response. The answer to the question doesn't change just because it doesn't actually apply to OP. It may be relevant to someone, so why not answer it as posed? That has the added side benefit of not being a jackass to someone the day that your troll-dar is mistaken.

OP wasn't the problem here. The responses were. And, let's be clear...my first post was not actually about trolls or troll-hunting at all. My first post was aimed at those who were making unnecessarily harsh judgements of someone based on nothing more than that his gf had an abortion. People jumped in to defend judgementalness "because OP is a troll"...which is ridiculous.
First of all, if the posts I was responding to were actually judgemental solely because they thought OP was a troll, I'll eat my shirt. Those were real attitudes, and now they're 'valid' only because we've decided they maybe probably don't actually apply to OP. So basically, you can perpetuate whatever problematic attitudes you want as long as someone (doesn't even have to be you) claims the person you're addressing is a troll. Great.


- Is OP serious? I don't know. Post count isn't really helpful; it's perfectly natural that they'd make a throwaway account (which may also explain the username) to ask about something that could be controversial. And it's perfectly reasonable that a pregnancy scare is the most stressful thing that's ever happened to an applicant...so to me it's perfectly reasonable that someone would ask, and make a fake account so that in the event that it turns out to be a bad thing, it's not associated with their real account.

- Does it matter if OP is serious? No. I explained above why this is a question someone might want answered. Sure, maybe that someone isn't OP. But it could be the next person ghosting these forums, and having real responses would help them.

- Either way, do I stand by my original statement? Yes. My first post was simply saying "look, we're judging someone hardcore because their gf got an abortion. Let's not do that; we don't know how they acted/reacted, whether they wanted the abortion to happen, etc." I think we should avoid that sort of casual judgement regardless of the context. It's just not an attitude I want to see become part of the background noise. It's not something we should accept in our posts, and it's not something someone who has actually faced a difficult decision related to abortion wants to see, man or woman. So let's not post that kind of ****, regardless of whether OP is a troll. And let's stop using troll-hunting as an excuse to say whatever the hell we want; it makes the forum more toxic.
 
I will always defend ALL of the question-askers, 'good ones' and 'bad ones', because I think that calling out trolls and turning threads into a condescending 'pat-yourself-on-the-back-for-being-SO-smart' fest is 8000x worse than the worst trolling. I don't bother assessing whether the person posng the question is a troll, because it doesn't (and shouldn't) change my response. The answer to the question doesn't change just because it doesn't actually apply to OP. It may be relevant to someone, so why not answer it as posed? That has the added side benefit of not being a jackass to someone the day that your troll-dar is mistaken.

OP wasn't the problem here. The responses were. And, let's be clear...my first post was not actually about trolls or troll-hunting at all. My first post was aimed at those who were making unnecessarily harsh judgements of someone based on nothing more than that his gf had an abortion. People jumped in to defend judgementalness "because OP is a troll"...which is ridiculous.
First of all, if the posts I was responding to were actually judgemental solely because they thought OP was a troll, I'll eat my shirt. Those were real attitudes, and now they're 'valid' only because we've decided they maybe probably don't actually apply to OP. So basically, you can perpetuate whatever problematic attitudes you want as long as someone (doesn't even have to be you) claims the person you're addressing is a troll. Great.


- Is OP serious? I don't know. Post count isn't really helpful; it's perfectly natural that they'd make a throwaway account (which may also explain the username) to ask about something that could be controversial. And it's perfectly reasonable that a pregnancy scare is the most stressful thing that's ever happened to an applicant...so to me it's perfectly reasonable that someone would ask, and make a fake account so that in the event that it turns out to be a bad thing, it's not associated with their real account.

- Does it matter if OP is serious? No. I explained above why this is a question someone might want answered. Sure, maybe that someone isn't OP. But it could be the next person ghosting these forums, and having real responses would help them.

- Either way, do I stand by my original statement? Yes. My first post was simply saying "look, we're judging someone hardcore because their gf got an abortion. Let's not do that; we don't know how they acted/reacted, whether they wanted the abortion to happen, etc." I think we should avoid that sort of casual judgement regardless of the context. It's just not an attitude I want to see become part of the background noise. It's not something we should accept in our posts, and it's not something someone who has actually faced a difficult decision related to abortion wants to see, man or woman. So let's not post that kind of ****, regardless of whether OP is a troll. And let's stop using troll-hunting as an excuse to say whatever the hell we want; it makes the forum more toxic.
Oh my god who cares. OP asked an incredibly stupid and naive question and the response was directly related to how dumb it was. If it was serious I hope the answers are exactly the same to show OP exactly how dumb the thought of writing about SOMEONE ELSE getting an abortion was his GREATEST challenge in life. What a joke.
 
I will always defend ALL of the question-askers, 'good ones' and 'bad ones', because I think that calling out trolls and turning threads into a condescending 'pat-yourself-on-the-back-for-being-SO-smart' fest is 8000x worse than the worst trolling. I don't bother assessing whether the person posng the question is a troll, because it doesn't (and shouldn't) change my response. The answer to the question doesn't change just because it doesn't actually apply to OP. It may be relevant to someone, so why not answer it as posed? That has the added side benefit of not being a jackass to someone the day that your troll-dar is mistaken.

OP wasn't the problem here. The responses were. And, let's be clear...my first post was not actually about trolls or troll-hunting at all. My first post was aimed at those who were making unnecessarily harsh judgements of someone based on nothing more than that his gf had an abortion. People jumped in to defend judgementalness "because OP is a troll"...which is ridiculous.
First of all, if the posts I was responding to were actually judgemental solely because they thought OP was a troll, I'll eat my shirt. Those were real attitudes, and now they're 'valid' only because we've decided they maybe probably don't actually apply to OP. So basically, you can perpetuate whatever problematic attitudes you want as long as someone (doesn't even have to be you) claims the person you're addressing is a troll. Great.


- Is OP serious? I don't know. Post count isn't really helpful; it's perfectly natural that they'd make a throwaway account (which may also explain the username) to ask about something that could be controversial. And it's perfectly reasonable that a pregnancy scare is the most stressful thing that's ever happened to an applicant...so to me it's perfectly reasonable that someone would ask, and make a fake account so that in the event that it turns out to be a bad thing, it's not associated with their real account.

- Does it matter if OP is serious? No. I explained above why this is a question someone might want answered. Sure, maybe that someone isn't OP. But it could be the next person ghosting these forums, and having real responses would help them.

- Either way, do I stand by my original statement? Yes. My first post was simply saying "look, we're judging someone hardcore because their gf got an abortion. Let's not do that; we don't know how they acted/reacted, whether they wanted the abortion to happen, etc." I think we should avoid that sort of casual judgement regardless of the context. It's just not an attitude I want to see become part of the background noise. It's not something we should accept in our posts, and it's not something someone who has actually faced a difficult decision related to abortion wants to see, man or woman. So let's not post that kind of ****, regardless of whether OP is a troll. And let's stop using troll-hunting as an excuse to say whatever the hell we want; it makes the forum more toxic.
From what I can see in this thread you are out on a limb here with this particular OP and probably now obligated to "eat your shirt" to boot.
 
Oh my god who cares. OP asked an incredibly stupid and naive question and the response was directly related to how dumb it was. If it was serious I hope the answers are exactly the same to show OP exactly how dumb the thought of writing about SOMEONE ELSE getting an abortion was his GREATEST challenge in life. What a joke.
I agree that it is an incredibly stupid/dumb idea and OP should be resoundingly shot down on that front. That's completely different, though...it actually responds to the question. See how that's more helpful than just yelling troll?
 
You can always do both. OP is pretty obviously a troll. But even if he's not he can now see his idea sounds so absurd as to be deemed trollish. A few of the better trolls on here manage to make it to a few hundred posts before lowering the boom. OP shot his load in his very first post and was quickly outed, a weak amateurish effort. So not only is he a troll, he's not even good at it.

Trolling is a problem for an advice oriented hoard - some people don't always know whether the posts they are reading are sincere. You can diminish the utility of a lot of good advice by burying it under dozens of troll threads So the community on here can help by outing them and getting them quickly banned. The lounge is a good example of what SDN would become without this.

Declaring that the question asker is a troll doesn't accomplish anything besides finding entertainment in ridiculing others. There are people who genuinely think the same way as OP but didn't post the thread due to fears of being mocked and dismissed as a troll. Really the best way to address this is to answer the question sincerely (even if it means lambasting the OP). Or better yet, ignore the thread completely, or report it to the mods to take care of it.

We really don't need members policing the forums especially since their ability in spotting trolls isn't accurate.
 
From what I can see in this thread you are out on a limb here with this particular OP and probably now obligated to "eat your shirt" to boot.
I never said I'd eat my shirt if they were a troll. I said I'd eat it if that was the only reason people were responding the way they were (rather than just being judgemental, for example). And remember, this is referencing the stuff from before 'troll' started being called.
 
I agree that it is an incredibly stupid/dumb idea and OP should be resoundingly shot down on that front. That's completely different, though...it actually responds to the question. See how that's more helpful than just yelling troll?
I did respond to his question... the very first response. "Can I do this?" me: "That is incredibly stupid." Now if he wants to be incredibly stupid, then so be it.
 
I did respond to his question... the very first response. "Can I do this?" me: "That is incredibly stupid." Now if he wants to be incredibly stupid, then so be it.
I concur 110% with this. Actually, in my last post I had an aside that said "The responses were (well, the ones that didn't just answer the question). I took it out because it made my already awkward, long post even longer and more awkward and I assumed it was a given. Sorry.

To be clear, I'm not against telling OP they're dumb, and answering the question harshly. I'm just against calling troll, and particularly calling troll to excuse other behavior. None of those applied to you at any point.
 
Declaring that the question asker is a troll doesn't accomplish anything besides finding entertainment in ridiculing others. There are people who genuinely think the same way as OP but didn't post the thread due to fears of being mocked and dismissed as a troll. Really the best way to address this is to answer the question sincerely (even if it means lambasting the OP). Or better yet, ignore the thread completely, or report it to the mods to take care of it.

We really don't need members policing the forums especially since their ability in spotting trolls isn't accurate.

I can honestly say I never made an account or asked a question on SDN when I started my pre-med path more than 10 years ago.... I do remember lurking the forums quite a bit.... specifically because of all the judgementalness and condescension
 
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