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can you get you PA degree online?

Discussion in 'Clinicians [ RN / NP / PA ]' started by vardenafil, Jun 1, 2008.

  1. vardenafil

    vardenafil 10+ Year Member

    Nov 10, 2006
    i currently have my doctors of pharmacy degree and would like to go back and get a degree in PA. i think this would help me in the fact that i wish to obtain a job inwhich im more clinical in nature. i have done some research and found out you can get your MD online, so can also get your Doctor of Pharmacy (PharmD) degree online both minus having to go to school for the rotation/clinical portion of your education. anyone know of a school that will alow you to get your PA degree online? im not talking about continuing education MPA or anything like that.
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  3. AFmedic2PAC

    AFmedic2PAC Navy PA-S 2+ Year Member

    Mar 29, 2008
    MD online? Can you practice in the U.S.? I mean can you really practice unrestricted in the U.S. or is it just stated on some for profit website outside of the country?

    PA is not an online endeavor vardenafil...
    Good luck.:D
  4. vardenafil

    vardenafil 10+ Year Member

    Nov 10, 2006
    yes its an out of the country school. you can supposely do your first 4 years of med school online then return to do your years of clinical internship at the school. dont knoe if the us recognizes the school.
  5. BigPaddy


    Mar 14, 2008
    My guess is nobody will recognize this degree. Too much hands on happens during didactic year - you'd be lost once you came out from behind your computer and into a clinical setting. That is to say IF a clinical setting would allow you in. Nope. They wouldn't come to think of it.
  6. wisconsindoctor

    wisconsindoctor Banned

    Dec 11, 2007
    This type of education should never be done fully online. Sure some classes can be done online but also have teacher interactions that are face-to-face. I would never want a person to treat me, give me drugs, or anything like that where the education was fully online. Way to dangerous for society.
  7. AFmedic2PAC

    AFmedic2PAC Navy PA-S 2+ Year Member

    Mar 29, 2008
    Run away, run far away...
  8. AFmedic2PAC

    AFmedic2PAC Navy PA-S 2+ Year Member

    Mar 29, 2008
    Agreed. You would be well behind if all you did was online prep. Now licensing is a whole other story...:boom:
  9. primadonna22274

    primadonna22274 Senior Member 10+ Year Member

    Nope, no online PA. A few programs have tried some kind of hybrid to empower the rural practitioner but they have all failed for some reason or another. At present we are stuck with traditional on-campus lecture-learner style. This is the only way we know to consistently produce good PAs.
    As far as PA enhancing your pharmacy background, there are plenty of good pharmacist-to-PAs and probably a few the other way around. They are very good complementary degrees to have.
  10. spudbunny

    spudbunny New Member 10+ Year Member

    Jul 24, 2004

    University of North Dakota has a mainly online program for physician assistants (this is entry level, not for physician assistants who need to get a masters degree). This program was initially only for registered nurses but has been opened up to other health care professions. Here is the link:

  11. foreverLaur

    foreverLaur MSN, RN, CNE 7+ Year Member

    Feb 11, 2007
    o_O online degrees for medical professions are scary, IMO.
  12. Therapist4Chnge

    Therapist4Chnge Neuropsych Ninja Faculty Faculty Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

    Oct 6, 2006
    The Beach

    Take English, History, Writing....whatever online, but not health/medical/MH classes that actually require F2F interaction for proper training.
  13. primadonna22274

    primadonna22274 Senior Member 10+ Year Member

    Not quite the same thing. Most of us in the PA world don't consider UND's program a "real" PA program though since until a few years ago they admitted ONLY RN's. I would bet the "first two terms that are online" are the med term, intro to PA etc that COULD be taught online. The clinical medicine could not or should not. (If I had to sit on my ass for 10 hours a day in lecture 5 days a week for 11 months of didactic you should too....)

  14. emedpa

    emedpa GlobalDoc 10+ Year Member

    Aug 25, 2001
    Taking an Away team....
    nope, UND isn't a quality program in my opinion....
  15. mig26x

    mig26x Senior Member 10+ Year Member

    Apr 15, 2004
    Miami, FL
    why online courses? why not go to a real school for PA, RN, even DNP's have online courses!!!! OH YEAH, you can rely on your MD when things get tough!!!! that's why its ok to do things online!!
  16. princekc

    princekc 10+ Year Member

    Mar 11, 2006
    ....r u kidding me? must be out of your mind!
  17. guetzow

    guetzow Senior Member 5+ Year Member

    Jul 7, 2005
    Not the "Base" degree; only specialties for people who are already PAs. People (Like myself) usually do it to beef up their current knowledge in fields they are already working in, AND make themselves more marketable. Unfortunately, in today's job market, Paper + experience trumps experience.
  18. proudhusband


    Aug 28, 2008
    Boy there seems to be a touch of arrogance in here.
    My wife has a BSN in nursing (15 years I think..), and she just got her FNP at the University of Nevada, Reno.

    She has a great job with a doc that has her assist in surgery, but medicare will only reimburse PA's and not FNP's. A co-worker at the office she is at and my wife BOTH took the RNFA, and the PA she works with is fresh out of school ---6 years and never a nurse.

    My point is, my wife would like to get her PA in addition to her other qualifications so she can get paid for assisting in medicare surgeries.

    Not everyone looking for an online class is a hack- this has to do with a stupid technicality....

    NOW, can anyone answer the original question???

  19. BlurredFocus

    BlurredFocus 2+ Year Member

    Jan 3, 2008
    Still doesn't change the fact that what you learn in PA is essential and never learned in a nursing degree.

    To practice as a PA and be licensed as a PA do the education like everyone else. She picked nursing over PA. Should have checked this out ahead of time.

    Her poor planning is not our problem nor an excuse to abbreviate or simplify an education.
  20. bradt9881

    bradt9881 7+ Year Member

    Aug 9, 2008
    You were given the answer; there are no "on-line" entry level PA programs.

    If you don't believe it, there is the list of accredited programs, all 140+ of them. Have fun researching them all.
  21. core0

    core0 Which way is the windmill 7+ Year Member

    First of all whomever told your wife that she cannot bill for surgery is incorrect. Medicare does not differentiate between PAs or NPs for first assist. They do not even require NPs to show any kind of qualification for first assist (ie RNFA). I will be happy to dig out the Medicare guidelines if you need them.

    The reason for the lack of online PA programs goes back to the certification of PA programs. There is one body that specifically certifies PA and only PA programs. There are strict guidelines not only for the didactic content but for clinical experience that every program must include. The UND program has been primarily distance learning for some time but still requires fairly frequent campus visits. There have always been a lot of questions about this program in terms didactic curriculum among PA educators. There have been a number of ARC-PA regulations in the last two years that are aimed directly at UND and the two other programs that operate in a similar manner. The ARC-PA is starting to clamp down on programs that deliver content differently.

    One of the primary reasons (in my opinion) is that PA school is a continuous evaluation process. The school is the first line of defense against producing dangerous practitioners. It is much easier to evaluate students as a whole (not just in ability to take tests) if they are sitting in front of you in class. In direct response to the OP. I am unaware of any allo or osteo program that you can do over the internet (referring to real programs not Oceania).

    David Carpenter, PA-C
  22. Lamictal

    Lamictal 7+ Year Member

    Apr 23, 2008
    Was it really necessary to be rude to this fella who asked this question? It seemed that people took it as an opportunity to take out their frustration on those who take online classes- after all--- someone else had to sit on their a#(*$ for 10 or 11 hours a day and so should everyone else. Is that really reasonable? Sure face to face contact with patients should remain that way. To my knowledge, with online courses, they do. Many online courses do have periods where they meet face to face at times too, others don't--- those that don't really don't need to. The clinical courses do.
    What about physicians who are starting to do patient care over the computer, via video or telephone? Are they wrong because they are using technology and aren't actually there face to face? Some think so--- but those same people that think so will be pulled along kicking and screaming until they are eventually doing the same thing-- happily.

    I sometimes wonder whats really behind all of the negativity. It's in the guise of patient safety.. but is that really what it's about? The man just asked a question for his wife, thats all.

    Thats frustrating.

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