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MD Canadian applicant, limited financially

Discussion in 'What Are My Chances?' started by medorded, Aug 3, 2015.

  1. medorded

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    I'm applying this year and was wondering if my outlook is bright for this year. Due to the expense of applying + flights etc. I'm not sure that I can apply, at least to as many schools, next year. I'm applying to Canadian schools as well, but wanted to increase my chances and would have nothing against practicing in the US.

    Stats:
    cGPA=3.93 sGPA=3.98 MCAT 11P/10V/12B

    ECs:
    Shadowing ~80hrs
    2 years of summer research
    Various sports, not at a competitive level
    Tutoring (4-5 hrs/week for 4 years)
    TAing several courses throughout undergrad
    Several volunteer positions helping underprivileged kids
    Several competitive scholarships
    Playing in a band, frequent local shows
    Other brief (6-8 month) minimum wage type jobs

    School list:

    Michigan State
    Case Western
    Dartmouth
    New York U
    Oakland
    Rosalind
    Wayne State
    Virginia Commonwealth
    Tufts
    Georgetown
    George Washington
    Einstein

    Thanks!
     
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  3. GrapesofRath

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    Invest in MSAR and check schools that take internationals(62 do, I don't know if you did this already)

    33 is on the somewhat lower side of things for Canadian applicants coming to the US. It has been done before but you would want to have a broad list of realistic schools. Given you are in a situation where you can't spend too much, I'm not sure if focusing your efforts on US schools is the best idea. Your time might just be better spent going all in on Canadian schools(where your stats seem sufficient).
     
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    These schools have all been confirmed to accept Canadians. I'm applying to every Canadian school that I make the cutoffs for. There aren't very many med schools in Canada, so typically people won't ever skip one that they are eligible for. Most people will be able to apply to ~8-10 at most, and since it's just as difficult to get in to each individual school, it's that much harder when you're so limited by the number of schools. That's why I'm applying to the US.
     
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    Well check to see how many internationals the schools that accept take and if they have taken any recently. Both of these important

    Check out schools where your mcat is at or above a schools median. Oakland and VCU are the types of schools that fit that description. Einstein Case and NYU and those types do not
     
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    Yup I'm expecting to get verified any day now. I was basically wondering if it seems like I'd be more likely than not to get a few interviews. This is my first year applying (just graduated) and I've applied to Canadian schools too, Ontario resident.

    As for the schools I chose @GrapesofRath , I'm only slightly below the medians for those schools you pointed out, is that really enough to warrant not submitting secondaries? It would save a chunk of change if my outlook is bleak with those 3. For the others I'm at or above median I believe, just checked MSAR.
     
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    I do not have much experience with this personally, but my understanding is with international applicants, "slightly below median" is equivalent to effectively DOA. Look at it from their perspective - what incentive do they have to admit a below median international applicant (even from Canada) when they have thousands of above median domestic applicants?
     
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    The difference in GPA calculation between US and Canada (which are elucidated in the "you Americans have it easy" thread in pre-allo) explains this discrepancy. As for MCAT, 33 is below median for Case, Dartmouth, NYU, and Einstein, which are 36, 34, 37, 34, respectively. OP would be competitive for the rest of the schools on their list, provided these schools all accept international applicants.
     
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    Thanks, that makes sense. Can anyone else confirm how bad it is for internationals just below median (just because you're not 100% certain Wedge)? Would I at least have a decent shot at Dartmouth and Einstein (only 1 below on MCAT) and maybe drop Case Western and NYU?
     
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    I think you're okay leaving, Einstein in there (make absolutely sure through MSAR that they 1) accept internationals and 2) don't have extremely low interview and matriculation rates for internationals), Dartmouth is a toss-up, but I would recommend no (this would be the best place to get others' opinions), and dropping Case and NYU for sure.

    I think that a post-bac isn't for someone who messes up one year and does well the other three. It's more for people who have consistently performed below average (as it pertains to medical school admissions). It's rare that people with GPAs above a 3.5 are advised to pursue postbac work. If we draw a parallel to Canada (with the assumption of one year is dropped), someone with a 3.3, 3.9, 3.8, 3.9 would have a high 3.8 GPA in Canada and a 3.7 in the US. Both of these GPAs are absolutely fine and no postbac work would be recommended. A more likely applicant to be advised to pursue postbac work is someone with a 3.3, 3.2, 3.4, 3.7 for a 3.4 overall. The Canadian system (even dropping two years) wouldn't save this person either.
     
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    Anyone else have any input?
     
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    WedgeDawg said it all there. What I'll add is don't just look for schools that take internationals; there are some that take very few or those who haven't taken in a couple years. Those are obviously much less optimal.

    The schools with 33 median MCATs and under have to be your target. If you really want to spend time on schools with 35+ median averages(Einstein Case etc) go ahead but you need a good thorough list of 33 median or lower MCAT schools.
     

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