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Canadians in US dental schools

Discussion in 'Pre-Dental' started by Big_Poppa DDS, Oct 20, 2001.

  1. Big_Poppa DDS

    Big_Poppa DDS Senior Member

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    Any Canadians interested in attending US dental schools, post your questions and acceptances here. I will be happy to help anyone with questions! :D
     
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    What are the advantages of going to school in the US? Why was your friend miserable at UofT? Thanks in advance.
     
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    He did not like the faculty and the amount of people in his class that would have to take remediation exams. He felt like he was stressed all the time until he graduated and is now happy doing dentistry.
     
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    Hi Big_Poppa,

    First of all I appreciate all the help you have been giving here..I am studying at Uof Toronto now and I have a lot of questions and if you can provide some input in these that would be great..

    1)Now you said you had a 3.81 gpa and didn't get into any dental school here...that's scary since that is a pretty high gpa..now uofT ignores your 'worst' year...is your gpa after this, 3.81? (i know this is a personal question and if you have a problem with it, you don't need to answer this at all)

    2) in terms of preparing for the DAT...Is MCAT preparation sufficient?

    3) if I don't get into a canadian dental school, I would love to apply to states..But unfortunately I come from a -low-income family..So basically any money I get will be for the most part in the form of loans...So here goes

    a) how much do Dentists in general get paid? (do you maybe have some personal knowledge)this seems to be constantly a touchy issue for people here...But I really want to know this, since I will have to pay these loans someday...

    b) Of all the specialities which one gets paid most...There was a post earlier on this forum, with some insane amounts for first year salaries (about 500k and so on)..Now as much as that would be a good thing, I find it really hard to believe that..

    4) I am assuming that there was a time when you might have considered dentistry or medicine? Since you were willing to go to States anyways, you could have easily gone to a med school there with those averages of yours..so basically, why dentistry?

    Any advice to the above would be great..
     
  6. bad_hombre

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    Hey salman,

    In another thread I posted the average GPA for those admitted last year (3.81) along with some other stats. I think that as long as you're close to this (>3.7 I guess)you should be okay. Remember that GPA is very important when applying. However, one could have a 4.0 and still get rejected if the U of T adcomm doesn't like your essay component (interview from now on). I think Big Poppa's GPA is excellent, especially considering that he applied a couple of years ago and the requirements back then were even lower. However, the adcomms must have noticed/misinterpreted something in his personal statement that they didn't like. No offence big poppa, :) , but we don't know you. I've been told that the adcomms immediately reject you if there is any reason to believe that you are using dentistry as a 'backup' in case you are not accepted into meds. Also, they don't take kindly to OOP applicants, so I don't know, were you OOP big poppa? Or maybe you applied to U of T meds simultaneously/previously and they found out. I don't know, but Big poppa certainly had the academic requirements to get into U of T dents.

    In terms of pay, here's a government site that should help:
    http://jobfutures.ca/jobfutures/fos/U530.html
     
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    Hi guys,

    Since both of you are studying in ontario you will understand what I have to say. I graduated from UWO with an honors degree in Physiology and an 86% average in the last two years. I had a 19 on the dat with an 18 in the reading comprehension. I got an interview at Western even though they said you needed a 19 in the reading and then was placed on the wait list. I applied to the US because it was the 3 rd year I was applying and got accepted in the first round with a scholarship. Granted tuition is much more expensive. Canhelp is a loan program that will help you. Also if you have an american cosigner you can get loans at a better rate.

    From what I hear dentists make more money in the US, with less taxes. I have heard people making 400 - 500 k. I'm not sure about specialists.

    I was never interested in MD programs but people I know from western got into MD/Phd programs in the states and got a stipend. I was interested in OD programs but once I was accepted to dental school I did not go to the OD interviews.

    Apply to private schools because state schools are more likely to accept residents because their taxes are used to discount their tution.

    As for U of T, I have a friend who just graduated and went to an undergraduate university in the US. Being in the US i can tell you undergrad is a joke here, compared to UWO at least.

    You do not need to be a genious to become a dentist. My best friends in dental school are all B and C students. Their patients love them and they know how to treat people.

    Good luck
     
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    Hello Guys, I had a few questions. Im a student at Mcmaster and Im applying to a few schoolse in canada and in the states. My first question is regarding the american application service.. when i applied, I think i paid a fee for each school that i applied to. 50 bucks or something. Now i am gettting letters from each school saying that I need to pay an additional 50 dollars to have my application looked at. is this standard procedure? Does anyone know how helpful a masters degree is when applying to canadian schools? I am not sure if I want to go to the states (should I get in) or do a masters and hold out for canada? any advice? thanks in advance...
     
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    I'm not sure how helpful a Masters is. At Western I was told that you got bonus points if you had an honors degree, Masters or Phd.

    A masters is 2 more years of your life, in something that you really don't want to do and it doesn't guarantee you a spot.

    I was in the same situation, but I chose to go to the states for 1 year and apply back to Canada for 2nd year but apparently I was missing a semester of operative to be considered. Oh well, I am going to graduate this year and am happy with the education I got here for the most part. I have friends at western and it sounds like we have the same curriculum and clincal requirements. Liscensure in Canada is just a written test so it won't be a problem to take, unlike the states which is a patient exam.

    Good luck
     
  11. Salman20001

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    bigpoppa...i think you misread the previous post...he said he goes to McMaster University, not that he has a masters...but your advice is neverthless informative :)
     
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    Hi there,

    I'm a dental student at Western and Big_Poppa is right... a Honours degree/Masters/Ph.D. is highly regarded during the admissions process. In fact, the majority of students in the first year class do fall into that category. There is also, actually, a handful of students with only 2 or 3 years of undergraduate work.

    Big_Poppa, are you planning to work in the U.S. following graduation or are leaning towards returning to Canada? I believe that the Canadian NDEB exams involve both a written and clinical examination, no? I thought that I remembered hearing that from a professor. About the American boards, if you're a student in a Canadian dental school, is it absolutely necessary to take Part I after second year if you're thinking about obtaining a license in the U.S.? I know of students who do that here at Western. If I only decided to obtain a U.S. license after I graduate, is there one single exam that I could take or is it still required of me to take Parts I & II?

    If you have any info, that'll be great... Thanks!

    eleanna
     
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    Liscensing in canada is a written test on day 1 and a case based test called the OSCE on day 2 (its a bell ringer). In the US you have to take Part 1 and Part 2 plus a regional liscencing exam in which you perfom procedures on patients. The use of live patients may be phased out in the next 4 - 5 years. Part 1 consists of Anatomical Sciences, Biochem/physiology, Microbiology/Path and Dental anatomy and occlusion. You need to get the Part 1 dental decks and old exams. Part 2 is Pharm, oral path, and all dental specialties and day 2 is a case based test. Regional exams usually consist of Endo on a plastic central incisor, Cl 2 amalgam, Cl 3 resin, Scale and RP and an FCC on a mannequin.

    What year are you in? I have friend in the 4th and 3rd year class that were in physiology with me at western.

    Best of luck
     
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    Big Pappa, you said that you tried to come back to canada after first year? how difficult is it to do this and is this a common practice? Do American Dental schools offer defferred admission? How much of a debt are you looking at when you graduate and how long do you think it will take for you to pay it off?
     
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    I applied for advanced standing to western after my first year at marquette. The only way i could get in is if a western student was going to drop out. my friend at western told me a girl in his class was going to be held back because she missed too much school due to illness or something like that. Western has a full year of operative, marquette only half a year. Now that i think about it, it really should not have been a big deal. Who knows the politics that goes into these things. Sure my debt is larger, with tuition at 30,000 a year US.

    I think going to the US is an option, and a better option than going into a backup career. I tried to get into to western for 3 years and had an honors degree from western and graduated with distinction. The best I could get is the wait list, so I went to the US and am ranked 13 out of 75 in my class.

    I am not Anti-Canadian, in fact I plan to go back to Canada even though dentists are better paid in the US. Unfortunately, I think Canadian schools turn down too many qualified applicants resulting in Canada's brain drain. For example, I know people from Western's honors genetics, and physiology programs who are now at Tufts, NYU and Columbia and these are smart people with over 80% averages who could not get into Western or U of T. :mad:
     
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    LETS KEEP THIS POST ALIVE.
     
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    okay... ummm...
    can you get OSAP if you're studying in the US? how feasible is admissions after only 3 years undergrad?

    thanks
     
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    You can only get around 6000 from osap and its a pain in the ass. You would think canada would make it easier to study abroad in hopes of retaining its future professionals. Sure you can get in after 3 years, especially if you apply to the private schools like CWRU, Marquette, NYU etc.
     
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    I too am a Canadian studying in the US, and I know a few people from Canada in my class and are all doing very well. I think the Canadian schools are crazy for rejecting some of these people (and myself ;) ).
     
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    Goatboy, do you go to NYU, What year are you in?
     
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    Yeah I go to NYU and am in 1st year. I'm assuming that you go to Marquette. I was actually accepted there but I decided to go to NYU because I wanted to live in NYC.
     
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    hey goatboy...mind posting some stats just so that we can know what it takes for a foreign canadian student to enter these places...plus did you have to do both canadian and american dats?
     
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    I took only the Canadian DAT. I had about a 3.5 GPA and 23/19PAT and 28 Carving(I dont think they look at this in the states - too bad)

    But if you apply to the private schools (CWRU, NYU, Tufts, Boston, Temple), the stats are the same for international students as it is for American applicants - the tuition is also very nice at these schools. :rolleyes:
     
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    I took the Canadian Dat also, 3.8 GPA and only 15 carving, 16 Pat, 20 Biol, 18 Reading and 18 Chemistry.
     
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    Has anyone had interviews at u of Boston or u of Connecticut? or have any info on the interview process at the schools? i have them this week and i would really like to know what kind of questions they ask and how receptive they are to canadian students.

    Thanks
     
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    I guess everything ultimately comes down to the money... I'd like to know what kinds of loans and/or grants are available to international students. I'm Canadian and a female. Would government loans be a good choice (b/c I read somewhere that women in certain study fields receive some sort of grant)? What about CanHelp?

    First time applying for a loan. Kind of fresh at this. Thanks in advance for any advice.

    -CLY <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
     

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