Case Western Rotations

[Jonnymed]

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I was wondering if Case Western Students spent significant time at the Cleveland Clinic during rotations? I assume the Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine of Case Western has a close connection, but what about the rest of Case students?

Also, do people at Case Western tend to dislike comments about how great the Cleveland Clinic is? Does CWRU tend to have a chip on its shoulder about CC?

 

[Jonnymed]

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[littlealex]

The CCLCM students studies exclusively at the Clinic. They're generally not seen around Case. The two programs can be considered independent of each other with minimal/no interaction.
CWRU does most of its rotations at UH but can have electives at the Clinic too. And no there's no chip. The Clinic is a better ranked hospital and that's no secret. At the same time UH is still a strong hospital and the University medical program is perhaps stronger than the CCLCM program.

The two program co-exists very well, although CWRU kids are bitter that the Clinic kids don't have to pay tuition. Clinic program is 5 years with a very small class though, so there are pros and cons to each.

 

[jab719]

Case students also rotate at MetroHealth and the VA, in addition to the CC and University Hospitals./Case Medical Center

 

[CCLCMer]

I was wondering if Case Western Students spent significant time at the Cleveland Clinic during rotations? I assume the Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine of Case Western has a close connection, but what about the rest of Case students?

If the UP students want to rotate at CCF, yes, they do. We are all free to rotate (or do our research blocks) at any of the Case hospitals or CCF. Some UP students choose to rotate entirely at CCF, or to do their research (including their PhDs if they are MD/PhD students) at CCF. Conversely, some of us have rotated and done research at Case or one of the Case hospitals. I did my first summer research block at Case, and I will be doing my Geriatrics rotation at UH/VA next month. The only way we'd have a problem rotating wherever we want is if too many people all want to do the same rotations at the same time. Then some people might have to get their second choice, or do the blocks in a different order, to accomodate everyone. I don't think this would happen very frequently in general because the UP students finish second year one block (four months) before we do, and they start their rotations/research earlier. Anyway, I have not ever had a problem with scheduling rotations wherever I want, at least so far.

Also, do people at Case Western tend to dislike comments about how great the Cleveland Clinic is?

Who exactly is "people"? On a rank and file level, I don't think this is a problem. Personally, I am proud to be a student of both institutions.

Does CWRU tend to have a chip on its shoulder about CC?

I'm not sure you can really generalize to either institution. Historically, there has been animosity between the top brass at UH (the main Case hospital) and CCF. I'm sure there are some people who still feel that way, which is their loss, IMO. Again, at the level of med students, I don't think this is an issue.

The CCLCM students studies exclusively at the Clinic. They're generally not seen around Case. The two programs can be considered independent of each other with minimal/no interaction.
CWRU does most of its rotations at UH but can have electives at the Clinic too. And no there's no chip. The Clinic is a better ranked hospital and that's no secret. At the same time UH is still a strong hospital and the University medical program is perhaps stronger than the CCLCM program.

The two program co-exists very well, although CWRU kids are bitter that the Clinic kids don't have to pay tuition. Clinic program is 5 years with a very small class though, so there are pros and cons to each.

Are you even a Case student? 🙄 Regardless of whether you are or not, as a first year, you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about concerning the clinical years. It's absolutely not true that CCLCM students don't go to Case hospitals/labs or that UP students don't come to CCF. Most of the people I'm rotating with right now (at CCF) are UP students. I also don't think you should go around making generalizations about the entire UP student body based on a select few whom you might have met, unless you're going to claim that you've personally spoken to them all. Wouldn't anyone anywhere who pays tuition wish that they didn't have to? Of course they would. That doesn't mean the UP students are bitter toward us like your post implies.

 

[Jonnymed]

CCLCMer thanks for all the great advice. I'm encouraged to hear there is a good level of interaction between the schools/hospitals.

 

[exmike]

The CCLCM students studies exclusively at the Clinic. They're generally not seen around Case. The two programs can be considered independent of each other with minimal/no interaction.
CWRU does most of its rotations at UH but can have electives at the Clinic too. And no there's no chip. The Clinic is a better ranked hospital and that's no secret. At the same time UH is still a strong hospital and the University medical program is perhaps stronger than the CCLCM program.

The two program co-exists very well, although CWRU kids are bitter that the Clinic kids don't have to pay tuition. Clinic program is 5 years with a very small class though, so there are pros and cons to each.

Who the hell are you? Clearly you have no idea how the two programs are set up. The basic science years are independent. In the clinical years, both programs are free to rotate at any of the four hospitals that they choose i.e. CCF, UH/VA, MetroHealth Medical Center. As for minimal interaction, i had several friends in the CCLCM program. Nobody is 'bitter' towards anyone. There is no "jealousy" or "animosity". I did rotations at all four hospitals, with students from both programs as *gasp* peers! Stop spreading misinformation. Good grief.

 

[CCLCMer]

CCLCMer thanks for all the great advice. I'm encouraged to hear there is a good level of interaction between the schools/hospitals.

No problem. Any other questions, feel free to ask.

I was thinking about differences between the programs for the clinical/research years. I could only come up with three. One is that the UP students start rotations/research in March of second year while we start four months later in July, which I already told you. The second is that they do one block of research (four months) while we do three blocks (total of 12 months). Last, we are graded a little differently. Both programs are P/F for the preclinical years, but then the UP has a H/HP/P/F system for rotations, while CCLCM stays P/F. All of us get evals from attendings and housestaff (residents and interns). For us, that is the whole basis of our P/F grade. The UP students have to take an NBME exam at the end of each block which is used to help determine their final grade for each rotation. (NBME is the organization that administers the USMLE.) These tests are like Step 2 practice tests that were designed especially for Case. We can take the tests too, but it's optional and they don't count toward our grades. That's about all I can think of. Everything else is pretty much exactly the same once we all hit the clinics and the labs.