Does anyone know if it's illegal to cash out medicare covered prescriptions to avoid reaching the donut hole? I'm trying to find documentation on it so I can give it to a patient who got upset because we wouldn't cash out her prescription.
Does anyone know if it's illegal to cash out medicare covered prescriptions to avoid reaching the donut hole? I'm trying to find documentation on it so I can give it to a patient who got upset because we wouldn't cash out her prescription.
Does anyone know if it's illegal to cash out medicare covered prescriptions to avoid reaching the donut hole? I'm trying to find documentation on it so I can give it to a patient who got upset because we wouldn't cash out her prescription.
Think about it......Is the patient bound by law to use thier Medicare benifit on every prescription? Are people with commercial insurance bound by law to use thier insurance when filling arescription. Is anyone?
We were told by corporate recently that we are not allowed to cash out prescriptions for medicare patients no matter what, even if they want to avoid reaching the donut hole by paying case for $4 medications. They said it was against the law. I know private insurance patients don't have to use their insurance if they don't want to, but medicare is funded by the government and I'm not sure what the law is on that.
There is no law. It is a voluntary insurance program.
Are you getting confused with the gift card and incentive program policy. You are not allowed to give gift cards or other incentives to Medicate members evenif they are paying cash for a prescription.
Use some logic and reasoning here. How could a corporation have a polivy forcing someone to use a voluntary benefit?
Do you have bonus points/coupons? It sounds like the company could be trying to cover their ass. By refusing the cash option there is no risk of giving accidental kickbacks.Nope, I've always known it's illegal to offer incentives such as gift cards to anything government funded, but we received an e-mail shortly after Walgreens was fined for giving gift cards to medicare patients that in addition to the already known law of not offering incentives such as gift cards, we can not cash out medicare prescriptions when patients want to pay cash for $4 generics to avoid reaching the donut hole. I've always cashed them out when the patients requested until we received that e-mail. Just wondering if others heard of this. It didn't make sense to me either that medicare patients are required to run every prescription under medicare if they want pay cash for it. I may just call Medicare and confirm with them.
Nope, I've always known it's illegal to offer incentives such as gift cards to anything government funded, but we received an e-mail shortly after Walgreens was fined for giving gift cards to medicare patients that in addition to the already known law of not offering incentives such as gift cards, we can not cash out medicare prescriptions when patients want to pay cash for $4 generics to avoid reaching the donut hole. I've always cashed them out when the patients requested until we received that e-mail. Just wondering if others heard of this. It didn't make sense to me either that medicare patients are required to run every prescription under medicare if they want pay cash for it. I may just call Medicare and confirm with them.
Nope, I've always known it's illegal to offer incentives such as gift cards to anything government funded, but we received an e-mail shortly after Walgreens was fined for giving gift cards to medicare patients that in addition to the already known law of not offering incentives such as gift cards, we can not cash out medicare prescriptions when patients want to pay cash for $4 generics to avoid reaching the donut hole. I've always cashed them out when the patients requested until we received that e-mail. Just wondering if others heard of this. It didn't make sense to me either that medicare patients are required to run every prescription under medicare if they want pay cash for it. I may just call Medicare and confirm with them.
You are not forced to use your insurance. If you want to pay cash, you certainly can. Even if it was mandatory to use, how do you know if the patient has Medicare or not? It's not sucking money out of Medicare, because they either pay $x in cash and avoid the donut hole, or they use Medicare the whole time, and end up paying cash later on when they hit the donut hole. It's just a bit easier on the patient to pay for cheap generics and stay out of the donut hole than to bill the insurance but eventually pay full price for their brands.
If they do end up in the donut hole, it was a waste for them to do it, though. That money they paid cash could have gone towards getting them out of the donut hole.
They count the total drug cost which is the patient's copay and the pharmacy reimbursement. Knowing this (I only realized yesterday), you can see how it is slightly beneficial to the patient to cash out the Rx and not have their copay count towards the donut hole limit ($2,930), especially with cheap generics where the pt copay covers most or all of the Rx cost and there is little or no reimbursement from the plan.Just curious retail and managed care peeps ---
Do they count the full negotiated price towards the donut hole or just the patient's copay? For instance if the patient is paying $1.10, but the negotiated price between Medicare D and the pharmacy for reimbursement is $10, which one gets added towards the total for the patient reaching the donut hole?
I'm assuming it is the reimbursement price (and not the copay) in which case this whole thing really makes no sense b/c the patient is going to pay similar to the reimbursement price (or even more possibly?) if paying cash even for the cheap generics (which really aren't going to push the patient towards the donut hole that fast anyway at $10 a pop...). Am I missing something here???
They count the total drug cost which is the patient's copay and the pharmacy reimbursement. Knowing this (I only realized yesterday), you can see how it is slightly beneficial to the patient to cash out the Rx and not have their copay count towards the donut hole limit ($2,930), especially with cheap generics where the pt copay covers most or all of the Rx cost and there is little or no reimbursement from the plan.
This leads to "aiding Medicare patients to receive more prescription benefits than they are otherwise entitled to, thus causing fraud, waste and abuse."
Just curious retail and managed care peeps ---
Do they count the full negotiated price towards the donut hole or just the patient's copay? For instance if the patient is paying $1.10, but the negotiated price between Medicare D and the pharmacy for reimbursement is $10, which one gets added towards the total for the patient reaching the donut hole?
I'm assuming it is the reimbursement price (and not the copay) in which case this whole thing really makes no sense b/c the patient is going to pay similar to the reimbursement price (or even more possibly?) if paying cash even for the cheap generics (which really aren't going to push the patient towards the donut hole that fast anyway at $10 a pop...). Am I missing something here???
Any way that the policy for not cashing out the $4 generics when the patient has insurance is because the reimbursement from the insurance is more than $4?
Since when do insurance companies reimburse more than your U&C of $4 on a $4 medication?
Mountain
You mean there was a time when 11.99 was the minimum? And people actually paid it?
Patient A Patient B
Copay Mcare Manuf Cash Copay Mcare Manuf
Jan gen A 4.00 4.00
gen B 4.00 4.00
gen C 4.00 4.00
gen D 4.00 4.00
gen E 4.00 4.00
Advair 41.00 204.00 41.00 204.00
Dex 95.00 41.00 95.00 41.00
Feb gen A 4.00 4.00
gen B 4.00 4.00
gen C 4.00 4.00
gen D 4.00 4.00
gen E 4.00 4.00
Advair 41.00 204.00 41.00 204.00
Dex 95.00 41.00 95.00 41.00
Mar gen A 4.00 4.00
gen B 4.00 4.00
gen C 4.00 4.00
gen D 4.00 4.00
gen E 4.00 4.00
Advair 41.00 204.00 41.00 204.00
Dex 95.00 41.00 95.00 41.00
Apr gen A 4.00 4.00
gen B 4.00 4.00
gen C 4.00 4.00
gen D 4.00 4.00
gen E 4.00 4.00
Advair 41.00 204.00 41.00 204.00
Dex 95.00 41.00 95.00 41.00
May gen A 4.00 4.00
gen B 4.00 4.00
gen C 4.00 4.00
gen D 4.00 4.00
gen E 4.00 4.00
Advair 41.00 204.00 41.00 204.00
Dex 95.00 41.00 95.00 41.00
Jun gen A 4.00 4.00
gen B 4.00 4.00
gen C 4.00 4.00
gen D 4.00 4.00
gen E 4.00 4.00
Advair 41.00 204.00 41.00 204.00
Dex 95.00 41.00 95.00 41.00
Jul gen A 4.00 4.00
gen B 4.00 4.00
gen C 4.00 4.00
gen D 4.00 4.00
gen E 4.00 4.00
Advair 41.00 204.00 41.00 204.00
Dex 95.00 41.00 95.00 41.00
Aug gen A 4.00 4.00
gen B 4.00 4.00
gen C 4.00 4.00
gen D 4.00 4.00
gen E 4.00 4.00
Advair 17.24 85.76 41.00 204.00
Donut hole 71.00 71.00 Dex 12.57 5.43
Dex 68.00 68.00 59.00 59.00
Sept gen A 3.44 0.56 4.00
gen B 3.44 0.56 4.00
gen C 3.44 0.56 4.00
gen D 3.44 0.56 4.00
gen E 3.44 0.56 4.00
Advair 122.50 122.50 122.50 122.50
Dex 68.00 68.00 68.00 68.00
Oct gen A 3.44 0.56 4.00
gen B 3.44 0.56 4.00
gen C 3.44 0.56 4.00
gen D 3.44 0.56 4.00
gen E 3.44 0.56 4.00
Advair 122.50 122.50 122.50 122.50
Dex 68.00 68.00 68.00 68.00
Nov gen A 3.44 0.56 4.00
gen B 3.44 0.56 4.00
gen C 3.44 0.56 4.00
gen D 3.44 0.56 4.00
gen E 3.44 0.56 4.00
Advair 122.50 122.50 122.50 122.50
Dex 68.00 68.00 68.00 68.00
Dec gen A 3.44 0.56 4.00
gen B 3.44 0.56 4.00
gen C 3.44 0.56 4.00
gen D 3.44 0.56 4.00
gen E 3.44 0.56 4.00
Advair 122.50 122.50 122.50 122.50
Dex 68.00 68.00 68.00 68.00
Totals 2099.04 1811.96 901.00 240.00 1826.57 1924.43 821.00
Reimb 2712.96 Pt pays 2066.57 Reimb 2745.43
@Dr Wario
Your example is sound, but unfortunately not what I was talking about. A lot of MPD plans have a tiered copay structure (fixed $ amt per Rx), rather than the coinsurance (pay % of Rx) used in the standard MPD plan and in your example.
I will use the AARP MedicareRx Preferred plan as an example as it is one of the most popular.
It has no deductible, and the copays are:
$4 for Tier 1
$8 for Tier 2
$41 for Tier 3
$95 for Tier 4
33% for Tier 5 (Specialty Tier)
until total drug costs reach the $2,930 donut hole. Then the pt pays 86% for generics and 50% + dispensing fee (ignored below) for brand drugs.
Say we have two patients taking the same drugs:
Five Tier 1 generics that are also on the pharmacy's '$4 generic list'. Since the 'Usual & Customary' price for these drugs at this pharmacy is $4, the pharmacy does not receive any additional reimbursement from the plan.
Two brand name drugs:
- Advair Diskus 250/50 #60, plan agreed total drug cost $245, Tier 3 $41 copay
- Dexilant 30mg #30, plan agreed total drug cost $136, Tier 4 $95 copay
Total drug cost for the entire year is $4,812, so these patients do not exit the donut hole.
Patient A runs all rxs through the insurance while patient B pays cash for all the generics.
Here is a script by script breakdown:
Notes:Code:Patient A Patient B Copay Mcare Manuf Cash Copay Mcare Manuf Jan gen A 4.00 4.00 gen B 4.00 4.00 gen C 4.00 4.00 gen D 4.00 4.00 gen E 4.00 4.00 Advair 41.00 204.00 41.00 204.00 Dex 95.00 41.00 95.00 41.00 Feb gen A 4.00 4.00 gen B 4.00 4.00 gen C 4.00 4.00 gen D 4.00 4.00 gen E 4.00 4.00 Advair 41.00 204.00 41.00 204.00 Dex 95.00 41.00 95.00 41.00 Mar gen A 4.00 4.00 gen B 4.00 4.00 gen C 4.00 4.00 gen D 4.00 4.00 gen E 4.00 4.00 Advair 41.00 204.00 41.00 204.00 Dex 95.00 41.00 95.00 41.00 Apr gen A 4.00 4.00 gen B 4.00 4.00 gen C 4.00 4.00 gen D 4.00 4.00 gen E 4.00 4.00 Advair 41.00 204.00 41.00 204.00 Dex 95.00 41.00 95.00 41.00 May gen A 4.00 4.00 gen B 4.00 4.00 gen C 4.00 4.00 gen D 4.00 4.00 gen E 4.00 4.00 Advair 41.00 204.00 41.00 204.00 Dex 95.00 41.00 95.00 41.00 Jun gen A 4.00 4.00 gen B 4.00 4.00 gen C 4.00 4.00 gen D 4.00 4.00 gen E 4.00 4.00 Advair 41.00 204.00 41.00 204.00 Dex 95.00 41.00 95.00 41.00 Jul gen A 4.00 4.00 gen B 4.00 4.00 gen C 4.00 4.00 gen D 4.00 4.00 gen E 4.00 4.00 Advair 41.00 204.00 41.00 204.00 Dex 95.00 41.00 95.00 41.00 Aug gen A 4.00 4.00 gen B 4.00 4.00 gen C 4.00 4.00 gen D 4.00 4.00 gen E 4.00 4.00 Advair 17.24 85.76 41.00 204.00 Donut hole 71.00 71.00 Dex 12.57 5.43 Dex 68.00 68.00 59.00 59.00 Sept gen A 3.44 0.56 4.00 gen B 3.44 0.56 4.00 gen C 3.44 0.56 4.00 gen D 3.44 0.56 4.00 gen E 3.44 0.56 4.00 Advair 122.50 122.50 122.50 122.50 Dex 68.00 68.00 68.00 68.00 Oct gen A 3.44 0.56 4.00 gen B 3.44 0.56 4.00 gen C 3.44 0.56 4.00 gen D 3.44 0.56 4.00 gen E 3.44 0.56 4.00 Advair 122.50 122.50 122.50 122.50 Dex 68.00 68.00 68.00 68.00 Nov gen A 3.44 0.56 4.00 gen B 3.44 0.56 4.00 gen C 3.44 0.56 4.00 gen D 3.44 0.56 4.00 gen E 3.44 0.56 4.00 Advair 122.50 122.50 122.50 122.50 Dex 68.00 68.00 68.00 68.00 Dec gen A 3.44 0.56 4.00 gen B 3.44 0.56 4.00 gen C 3.44 0.56 4.00 gen D 3.44 0.56 4.00 gen E 3.44 0.56 4.00 Advair 122.50 122.50 122.50 122.50 Dex 68.00 68.00 68.00 68.00 Totals 2099.04 1811.96 901.00 240.00 1826.57 1924.43 821.00 Reimb 2712.96 Pt pays 2066.57 Reimb 2745.43
- I'm not sure what happens to the script on the borderline as the pt goes into the donut hole. I prorated the copay:Medicare for the portion before the donut hole, and did 50:50 after the donut hole.
- I made a separate manufacturer column for the 50% discount for brand name drugs in the donut hole because this is funded by the manufacturer, not Medicare. Nonetheless, they are added in at the bottom in the "Reimb" cell representing the total amount reimbursed to the pharmacy.
- I put the generics of Patient A covered at 14% in the donut hole. Patient B could do the same, and this would slightly increase the amount reimbursed by Medicare.
So Medicare pays $112.47 more for patient B, or $32.47 more if you include the brand manufacturer's contribution. Thus patient B pays $32.47 less out of pocket. I did say it would only be "slightly beneficial to the patient to cash out the Rx and not have their copay count towards the donut hole limit ($2,930), especially with cheap generics where the pt copay covers most or all of the Rx cost and there is little or no reimbursement from the plan."
It seems weird, but the pharmacist I work with doesn't let us cash out prescriptions for Medicaid patients as she says it is against the law. I kind of thought the same applied to Medicare, but I'm not sure. My only source is basically hearsay; I'd like to know whether this is a real issue or not.I don't see how this is controversial at all, no one is required to use a third party insurance plan on a prescription, Medicare does not require recipients to use it on all prescriptions. I don't get it...
My understanding is that you cannot cash out rx for Medicaid unless it is something they never cover, i.e. Viagra, or it has been denied by PA, but the same is not true for Medicare Part D.
From what I understand, the law (and the link that was posted about this) refers to Medicare Part B....if someone gets a nebulizer & Medicare Part B won't pay for it, it is illegal to sell it to the pt for cash. Does this apply to Medicare Part D? As far as I know, it doesn't....but I've never really had anyone ask about this. Other than a few exception near the end of the year, I don't see how it's going to benefit anyone. Anyone that close to the donut hole, is going to hit it as soon as they get their brand name prescription filled, and it will hit for whatever portion of the prescription isn't covered (IE, it's not like they can make sure they have $1.00 left, and then get Pradaxa or something, and Medicare will pay for it all, Medicare will pay the $1.00 they have left, and then the remainder of that RX will go to the donut hole.
What are you talkng about?