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Do guys ever have to take their shirts off for OMM at CCOM. I'm very hairy and would rather not. I'm like an ape.
 

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I'd get over that, or get a wax job. I'm pretty sure regardless of where you go, the idea that you actually need to SEE what you're working with applies.

There is a reason why you shouldn't palpate through clothes and what not.
 

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I'd get over that, or get a wax job. I'm pretty sure regardless of where you go, the idea that you actually need to SEE what you're working with applies.

There is a reason why you shouldn't palpate through clothes and what not.
Agreed.
 
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I'd get over that, or get a wax job. I'm pretty sure regardless of where you go, the idea that you actually need to SEE what you're working with applies.

There is a reason why you shouldn't palpate through clothes and what not.
From what I've heard, CCOM does indeed palpate through clothes. I'm just trying to get some verification on that.
 

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Ah. That question makes a lot more sense, then. The original question that you posed makes it sound like you're too scared to take your shirt off.

Overall, however, you will be required to take your shirt off at some point. That's for sure. How will you know how to touch a patient that you've never seen before if you cannot touch your classmates?

Good luck.
 

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Well for what it's worth, at DMU we just did shorts/T-shirts for OMM labs and I never felt like my skills suffered because I wasn't palpating directly on bare skin. So it can be done through a thin layer of clothing, as it will be more-than-likely done to your patients in the future...

As for CCOM, I have no clue what their OMM policy is-
 

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Do guys ever have to take their shirts off for OMM at CCOM. I'm very hairy and would rather not. I'm like an ape.
At AZCOM, some guys do and some don't (I'm assuming you're a male). Some just lift their shirts up to expose lumbar, or pull it up to hang off the neck for full back/chest exposure.

No one can require you to take your shirt off. Don't worry about it. If someone actually asks you to (which has never happened to me), simply say you prefer not to.
 

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Starting this year, CCOM students wear mandatory scrub tops and pants to OMM lab. For clinical medicine lab also. Especially for clinical medicine, you may be asked to lift your shirt (for lung sounds, etc.). But usually it is fairly benign.
 

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Starting this year, CCOM students wear mandatory scrub tops and pants to OMM lab. For clinical medicine lab also. Especially for clinical medicine, you may be asked to lift your shirt (for lung sounds, etc.). But usually it is fairly benign.
That's weird clothing to require for OMM lab. AZCOM requests students wear sports shorts, t-shirts and/or sports bra. Why would baggy clothes that cover up the anatomy make things easier than tight fitting shorts and T's?

For ICM, unless you're going off campus to treat actual patients, what's the point of scrubs? Hope this trend isn't going to spread to Arizona.
 

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epic, assuming you're a guy :laugh:, this is a GOLDEN opportunity to get in with the girls. Here's what you do: during orientation, identify some attractive and friendly classmates, find a good time to mention your situation, and say "I think I would try waxing but I don't know anything about it" and next thing you know you've got a half dozen of "us" putting a salon date together for you, followed by happy hour. The whole salon part sucks for you (mostly), but you would be an instant hit and your social life would be thoroughly kick started. You know the other guys would KILL to be in with the ringleader girls.

Also, personally, I think if you get your back done, that's the only "must-do" for going shirtless. And it's not even a "must-do" - all healthy bodies are beautiful.
 

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epic, assuming you're a guy :laugh:, this is a GOLDEN opportunity to get in with the girls. Here's what you do: during orientation, identify some attractive and friendly classmates, find a good time to mention your situation, and say "I think I would try waxing but I don't know anything about it" and next thing you know you've got a half dozen of "us" putting a salon date together for you, followed by happy hour. The whole salon part sucks for you (mostly), but you would be an instant hit and your social life would be thoroughly kick started. You know the other guys would KILL to be in with the ringleader girls.

Also, personally, I think if you get your back done, that's the only "must-do" for going shirtless. And it's not even a "must-do" - all healthy bodies are beautiful.
Ya know, I'm pretty happy that I might end up going to school with you, Doc :)
 

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Ya know, I'm pretty happy that I might end up going to school with you, Doc :)
Clearly we will need to discuss lack of snow. How am I going to live without Whistler? Why do east coasters think they have mountains?
 

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epic, assuming you're a guy :laugh:, this is a GOLDEN opportunity to get in with the girls. Here's what you do: during orientation, identify some attractive and friendly classmates, find a good time to mention your situation, and say "I think I would try waxing but I don't know anything about it" and next thing you know you've got a half dozen of "us" putting a salon date together for you, followed by happy hour. The whole salon part sucks for you (mostly), but you would be an instant hit and your social life would be thoroughly kick started. You know the other guys would KILL to be in with the ringleader girls.

Also, personally, I think if you get your back done, that's the only "must-do" for going shirtless. And it's not even a "must-do" - all healthy bodies are beautiful.

Well, I might need to set up a date then. ;) I have a cheesy mangroomer thing I use now during the summer. First day at class I'll roll in and yell " Where's Doc Midlife?! I need my back waxed!"


Oh, and epic. I feel your pain. Swim team was never fun with it either.
 

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That's weird clothing to require for OMM lab. AZCOM requests students wear sports shorts, t-shirts and/or sports bra. Why would baggy clothes that cover up the anatomy make things easier than tight fitting shorts and T's?

For ICM, unless you're going off campus to treat actual patients, what's the point of scrubs? Hope this trend isn't going to spread to Arizona.
Yes, actually it sucks. We protested but the faculty did not listen. I think it came out of the fact that some people could not handle the sports bra, t-shirt, shorts, etc and instead dressed more like they were at a slutty beach party. Scrubs are a pain for palpation, especially since some people wear t-shirts under them also.
For clinical lab, it is actually fine and better than having to 'dress professionally' all the time.
AZCOM has different faculty, so I would not worry about it. Even though CCOM and AZCOM are related, they actually have a lot of differences.
Don't get me wrong, CCOM is great and I love my school, just not a big fan of the OMM nazi's there.
 

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Yes, actually it sucks. We protested but the faculty did not listen. I think it came out of the fact that some people could not handle the sports bra, t-shirt, shorts, etc and instead dressed more like they were at a slutty beach party. Scrubs are a pain for palpation, especially since some people wear t-shirts under them also.
For clinical lab, it is actually fine and better than having to 'dress professionally' all the time.
AZCOM has different faculty, so I would not worry about it. Even though CCOM and AZCOM are related, they actually have a lot of differences.
Don't get me wrong, CCOM is great and I love my school, just not a big fan of the OMM nazi's there.
slutty beach party? Sounds rather enjoyable :)

We had to dress professionally in our ICM lab practical--guys had to wear ties, no shorts, etc. The funny part was that the doc who evaluated us asked us why we were wearing ties (he was dressed casually). (Don't get me wrong--our ICM course rocks.)
 

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Well, I might need to set up a date then. ;) I have a cheesy mangroomer thing I use now during the summer. First day at class I'll roll in and yell " Where's Doc Midlife?! I need my back waxed!"
Cringe! I'm old enough to be your mom. Good at strategy; bad at entourage.
 

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Cringe! I'm old enough to be your mom. Good at strategy; bad at entourage.
Like wine. Like wine. Although, my parents are pretty old, so if you're old enough to be her then you are already receiving social security checks.

We all need help at strategy and I highly doubt you're going to sit in the corner being "that" person either way.
 

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CCOM msII says no. shirts stay on. no worries about body hair my friend.

percussing the liver, however, different story. (u just gotta pull ur shirt up, nothin too fancy)
 

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I'm worried about OMM lab when I start. ONce my shirt comes off the chicks and about half the dudes are gonna lose control. Its going to be a bad scene.
 

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I'd get over that, or get a wax job. I'm pretty sure regardless of where you go, the idea that you actually need to SEE what you're working with applies.

There is a reason why you shouldn't palpate through clothes and what not.
I happen to think that doing OMM over clothing is better...why?...because sometimes a lot of OMM done by students outside of school is in a community setting. After Marathons, at Community events..etc. A lot of "Normal" people are not comfortable just taking off their shirts or just wearing a bra in those settings. A student who practices with clothing (t-shirt...not like a hoodie or anything) will be better able to diagnose those patients. If they feel comfortable with their clothes off...then its only easier for the physician. Second is the patient-physician relationship. In a clinical setting, in a closed room, you can require a patient to take off clothing. I don't feel students in an open room with 30 other people are in that comfortable setting. Someone who doesnt feel comfortable and has to wear just a bra on everyweek in front of their peers can make OMM a living hell. I know a lot of people who may not have a problem with that may not be able to understand completely, but some people have religious issues, some have medical issues..etc.