CCOM Rotation Sites and Clerkship List

[travoltage]

Here is the 2007-2008 Clerkship list

MS3 Year
6 weeks OB-GYN
6 weeks PEDS
4 weeks GENERAL SURGERY
4 weeks SURGICAL SELECTIVE
4 weeks BEHAVIORAL MEDICINE
4 weeks INTERNAL MEDICINE FLOOR
4 weeks INTERNAL MEDICINE SELECTIVE
12 weeks FAMILY MEDICINE
4 weeks ELECTIVE

MS4 Year
4 weeks CLINICAL INTEGRATION SEMINAR
4 weeks EMERGENCY MEDICINE
4 weeks SURGICAL SELECTIVE
4 weeks OMM
20 weeks ELECTIVES
4 weeks INTERNAL MEDICINE FLOOR
4 weeks INTERNAL MEDICINE SELECTIVE
4 weeks Either INTERNAL MEDICINE SELECTIVE Or FAMILY MEDICINE


Here are the Core Rotation Sites

Swedish Covenant Hospital - http://www.swedishcovenant.org/
Cook County Hospital - http://www.cchil.org/index.html
Lutheran General - http://www.advocatehealth.com/luth/
Resurrection Medical Center - http://www.reshealth.org/
MacNeal Hospital - http://www.macneal.com/
Mt. Sinai Hospital - http://www.sinai.org/
Provident Hospital - http://http://www.co.cook.il.us/
St. Bernard Hospital - http://www.stbh.org/
Advocate Christ Hospital - http://www.advocatehealth.com/cmc/
Little Company of Mary Hospital - http://www.lcmh.org/
St. James Hospital Olympia Fields - http://www.stjameshospital.org/
St. James Hospital Chicago Heights - http://www.stjameshospital.org/
Provena St. Joseph - http://www.provena.org/stjoes/
St. Margaret Mercy North - http://www.smmhc.com/
St. Margaret Mercy South - http://www.smmhc.com/

There are various other affiliated hospitals, but they usually offer only 1-2 select rotations, usually electives which I didn't bother to list. Otherwise many students also do their electives at other university hospitals in the Chicagoland area, such as Loyola and UIC

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[Caligrl2008]

thanks travoltage, that helps a lot!!

 

[stmclovin]

Wow. Thanks!

Do you guys think that 12weeks of FP is pretty much average for all schools? also how about 4 weeks of OMM?

 

[oopnoyoo]

Any comments from current/past 3rd/4th years on the pros and cons of their experiences at each site? Thanks!!

 

[NDsUltimateJugg]

Why can't I find the reviews of each site by past students on the clined site and/or blackboard?

 

[cbrons]

Is this still up to date or has stuff changed since the OP?

 

[TeamZissou]

Is this still up to date or has stuff changed since the OP?

Naw it's pretty much the same. Those are indeed our core sites and it just kinda fluctuates in popularity between them for their different strengths. Or so I hear, I'll let you know next year

 

[BrutusTheDO]

Does anyone know if these sites fill up fast or if some of the sites usually have openings for students from other schools? Thanks!

 

[TeamZissou]

Does anyone know if these sites fill up fast or if some of the sites usually have openings for students from other schools? Thanks!

Probably site dependent, you'd have to check with them individually.

 

[BrutusTheDO]

Thanks, TZ. Im one of those lucky LECOM-Bradenton students who has to schedule his own rotations if I want to come back to the midwest and stop sweating down here in FL!

 

[TeamZissou]

Thanks, TZ. Im one of those lucky LECOM-Bradenton students who has to schedule his own rotations if I want to come back to the midwest and stop sweating down here in FL!

Ya dude no problem. I know stroger (cook county) has students from various schools rotating there so that would be a good place to check.

But I dunno why you'd wanna come visit the Midwest in the winter, maybe we can propose a trade?

 

[cbrons]

Interviewed @ CCOM today. Dr. Nichols says CCOM has the best rotation sites of all the DO schools. I believe her.

 

[TeamZissou]

Interviewed @ CCOM today. Dr. Nichols says CCOM has the best rotation sites of all the DO schools. I believe her.

I'd like to think we have some pretty good sites considering the pretty penny we pay

 

[IM4Life]

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[BrutusTheDO]

Ya dude no problem. I know stroger (cook county) has students from various schools rotating there so that would be a good place to check.

But I dunno why you'd wanna come visit the Midwest in the winter, maybe we can propose a trade?

We could definitely trade a rotation! haha. I was born, raised, and went to undergrad and grad school in the midwest so Im trying to get back. Been sweating nonstop since I moved down here last year.

 

[PETZLDoc]

Here is the 2007-2008 Clerkship list

MS3 Year
6 weeks OB-GYN
6 weeks PEDS
4 weeks GENERAL SURGERY
4 weeks SURGICAL SELECTIVE
4 weeks BEHAVIORAL MEDICINE
4 weeks INTERNAL MEDICINE FLOOR
4 weeks INTERNAL MEDICINE SELECTIVE
12 weeks FAMILY MEDICINE
4 weeks ELECTIVE

MS4 Year
4 weeks CLINICAL INTEGRATION SEMINAR
4 weeks EMERGENCY MEDICINE
4 weeks SURGICAL SELECTIVE
4 weeks OMM
20 weeks ELECTIVES
4 weeks INTERNAL MEDICINE FLOOR
4 weeks INTERNAL MEDICINE SELECTIVE
4 weeks Either INTERNAL MEDICINE SELECTIVE Or FAMILY MEDICINE


Here are the Core Rotation Sites

Swedish Covenant Hospital - http://www.swedishcovenant.org/
Cook County Hospital - http://www.cchil.org/index.html
Lutheran General - http://www.advocatehealth.com/luth/
Resurrection Medical Center - http://www.reshealth.org/
MacNeal Hospital - http://www.macneal.com/
Mt. Sinai Hospital - http://www.sinai.org/
Provident Hospital - http://http://www.co.cook.il.us/
St. Bernard Hospital - http://www.stbh.org/
Advocate Christ Hospital - http://www.advocatehealth.com/cmc/
Little Company of Mary Hospital - http://www.lcmh.org/
St. James Hospital Olympia Fields - http://www.stjameshospital.org/
St. James Hospital Chicago Heights - http://www.stjameshospital.org/
Provena St. Joseph - http://www.provena.org/stjoes/
St. Margaret Mercy North - http://www.smmhc.com/
St. Margaret Mercy South - http://www.smmhc.com/

There are various other affiliated hospitals, but they usually offer only 1-2 select rotations, usually electives which I didn't bother to list. Otherwise many students also do their electives at other university hospitals in the Chicagoland area, such as Loyola and UIC

Is this list of rotation sites still current? It seems like there are some really good options here for 3rd/4th year.

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

That list looks relatively unchanged from when I was a medical student. Lucky for me, I only had to spend two months at St Dump, I mean James. I spent the majority of my time at Cook County and Swedish Covenant. One is a country club, one is not.

The beauty of Cook County is you are rotating with the UIC and Rush kids....and don't think they don't think they are better than you. Its awesome. I loved it. I chose CCOM over my instate school and definitely have the debt to prove it. I would not redo it.

 

[TeamZissou]

That list looks relatively unchanged from when I was a medical student. I spent the majority of my time at Cook County and Swedish Covenant. One is a country club, one is not.

The beauty of Cook County is you are rotating with the UIC and Rush kids....and don't think they don't think they are better than you. Its awesome. I loved it. I chose CCOM over my instate school and definitely have the debt to prove it. I would not redo it.

The list is more or less the same, always changing but the core remains.

 

[229685]

Agree with some of the positive things said here. But Dean Nichols' job is to say that. What is the best hospital? It depends on if you like being run into the ground or pampered. It depends if you are surgery or medicine.

It is nice to have access to some of these clinical sites, but in the end you and another 200 are put into a "lottery" and you might get stuck going to a place in Indiana or Ottawa, IL. I had about half and half rotations: some great, some so terrible it felt like torture.

I have interviewed for residency and rotated at some hospitals in Oklahoma, NYC, California, Southern Florida, Colorado. I think these locations are strong as well. CCOM is BY NO MEANS THE BEST.

They have good faculty, but the campus is very poorly put together regarding common spaces. Everything is locked. There are hardly any social events organized. This trickles down to how you and your classmates interact. There is not a very strong sense of "community" like there is at Oklahoma. You are there to study. Period.

So, If you are not extremely social, you might feel a bit isolated here. The environment is extremely competitive and there are a lot of gunners. It made it really hard to find study partners/groups for group learning.

There is no where comfortable to sit and study. Library is always jam packed. Internet is overused. And they are adding more students every year now that there is a dental program.
Permission to use campus space for events (no meetings unless it is related to an official student organization), and learning resources (you have to pay out of your pocket for interlibrary loans, articles).

Finally, the learning method is very archaic and rigid. Anatomy- brutally difficult, but fantastic. 1/6 of the courses felt like they were made up (History of Medicine, Pt physician dialogue). THEY DO NOT TAKE STUDENTS INVOLVMENT SERIOUSLY. Yeah they do surveys and read our complaints, but things do not change.

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

It's obviously been a minute since I actually had to study on CCOMs campus since we aren't there during 3rd and 4th years. With that said, I found that there was plenty of space in the library at that time. I can see however, how it may have become crowded with a dental school. I spent my time studying at the library or at the Panera (not the one on Butterfield).

I think one of the most heinous things that CCOM does is limit the amount of out rotations you can do in a specific field. Im an ortho resident and only ended up doing 5 of 8 allowed weeks on ortho. That doesnt change the point that some of the DMU kids were doing 26+ weeks. I wrote a very long, lengthy email to Nichols after the match (wanted to make sure I matched so it didnt sound like I was whining) that I thought their method of controlling out rotations was archaic. The reply I got summarily said, welp, too bad, you matched...its obvioiusly not a hinderance and we want well rounded doctors. For what its worth, everyone that wanted ortho at DMU matched that year. Only 2 of 7 matched ortho. That cant be coincidence.

As for rotation sites, I did OB at Christ. It was hard as **** but totally worth it. It was so good, I even considered OB. I did Uro and Gen Sx at Stroger. I was treated like utter **** on urology. GS was great. You rotate with the Rush and UIC kids who obviously have their noses in the air. I did IM at Swedish which was cake. If you want easy rotations...Swedish Covenant is the bomb.

 

[dav86]

2012 Graduate, went into allopathic EM

Sites are decent, depends which ones you get assigned to. I did uro at stroger as well, thought it was good but tough (long hours), gen surg at resurrection which was nice and good experience. Agree OB at Christ was brutal but a great rotation. IM at Swedish and Pulm at Swedish was a cake walk which I think is a disadvantage. IM is a core rotation you should be pushed harder and learn more than I did. I have heard Lutheran IM was good, as was stroger IM. I think wayyyy too much family medicine requirements. Easy rotation but didn't learn much and it should only be 4-8 weeks max. Some people got shipped out to IN and Rockford for some rotations, but its pretty much luck of the draw. My class was the last class with 160 ppl in it, went to over 200 for 2013 grads and rumors of over 250 in the coming years. Some rotations were difficult to keep in Chicago due to lack of spots. Also if you want to go allopathic the administration is of no help. Poor advice, no mentorship. You have to do alot of the work by yourself. (Ex. don't recommend USMLE, they advise on how many programs to apply to, etc.)

I think overall CCOM is a decent school with a decent reputation but I can't recommend it to anyone due to cost and lack of regards to student input. The school is way way way too expensive. Unless you have ties to Chicago or can't get in anywhere else you should look elsewhere. The school says you will be fine, but I am around 300k in debt and that was with my starting tuition at 42k, now well over 50 approaching 60k, current grads will be well over 300k in debt which is just too much. Paying that much debt off will effect your lifestyle in someway unless you are in a field that makes well over 350k a year. Lowering your debt should be a priority for all medical students and CCOM doesn't allow you to do that. Also the fact that the archaic nature of their cirriculum is unfortunate. They don't care about student input or changing anything. Administration and faculty have all the say and just care about making money and to keep attracting students. Rumors when I was there was that administrators including Nichols were making 500k+/yr and some making seven figures. Thats just ridiculous IMO. You don't realize a lot of this until you are already attending the school, but at least in my opinion, prospective students should really look elsewhere and consider other schools.

 

[NewBlood]

Recent CCOM grad as well. I feel compelled to give my input on this and echo others' comments. I would actually go farther and say that I would NOT recommend CCOM to pre-meds. The school is way too expensive now and you don't get any value for the excessive cost compared to other DO schools. The last poster had it spot on that there is absolutely no mentorship and poor advice from faculty and administration. (I matched academic IM with zero help from anyone at the school). It is almost as if they don't care what happens to you when you stop paying tuition. The school is waaaaay too crowded now, there are no common areas for students (which doesn't really matter because after classes you are locked out of all the buildings except for the library). The "student center" has about 30 old folding tables set up in the basement...but with no chairs...!?!?

The rotations are hit or miss, but unfortunately they are miss for about half of the students, maybe more. There is a reason why they make you do 12-16 weeks of family medicine plus 4 weeks of OMM, because they have nowhere else to send students. They just have way too many students. And rumor is, their biggest "training hospital" (really a small community hospital) will be shutting down all of its DO residencies soon and no longer taking students. The rotation was horrible anyway, with 5 or 6 students sharing the workload that one medical student should have. It actually made me sad to see so many of my classmates excited about all of their "cake" rotations. It's fine if you have a cake rotation or two in a specialty other than what you want to go into, but when people come out of core medical school rotations without having learned anything it just makes them bad doctors, and shines poorly on the rest of us DO's.

 

[FirefighterDoc]

As a current MS-1 at CCOM, I obviously can't attest to anything about the rotations yet, but I did just want to address a couple of other things that were mentioned here. I had wanted to disagree with one thing Denvermedic had said about it being a competitive atmosphere. I haven't had that sense at all with my class. There are a few gunners for sure, but as a whole the class really wants to help eachother succeed. There's always a plethora of study guides floating around before exams and you can always find websites/YouTube videos that have helped other people on our FB group. We compile a list of all our cadavers with who has the best what. As far as the administration is concerned, so far they have been very receptive to what we've been asking of them. We've only been here 3-4 months and have already gotten them to give us a few more extra weeks for boards studying. I can't argue with the tuition, it does suck. Thank you all for your input on rotations, I'm sure it will be very helpful for me in a year or two.