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Hi all,

I come from an East coast school and applied to Cedars Sinai but don't know much about the program. I applied because I was interested in exploring the possibility of living on the West coast. I was wondering if anyone who has interviewed there or is from the West coast can let me know their impressions of the medicine program there.

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Beautiful hospital, chill working environment. The residents aren't as strong as the UCLA residents however but they're still good depending on the ones you get. They work at the VA system and a county hospital called Olive View as well. I would say it's a second tier IM program. Great dinners too.
 
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I have heard that on most services fellows/attendings run the show and there is very little resident autonomy. I am not sure how true this is because I haven't interviewed there yet. But so far residents I have talked to from other programs seem to think you don't get great internal medicine training there because you don't have much autonomy.
 

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If you're looking for more autonomy, then you need to look at the county programs in LA, Harbor-UCLA and USC
 

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If you're looking for more autonomy, then you need to look at the county programs in LA, Harbor-UCLA and USC

Does autonomy mean scut at these places? I met a student on the interview trail from USC who told me there is a lot of scut there and would not rank the place highly himself. I recently canceled my USC interview based on that (maybe it was stupid to base on one person) but I applied knowing nothing about the program and did not want to spend $400 for flight and hotel. I am able to interview at Cedars-Sinai since I will be on west coast for a wedding (USC did not interview during this time window). I just wanted to know if I should spend part of the short time I'm in CA at Cedars and what the general opinion is. Thanks for all the information everyone!
 

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everyone has their own definition of scut so it's a little hard to make a generalization(but i'll try). Cedars definitely has less sctu compared to other teaching hospitals in the LA area. Interview, but make sure you ask about the VA experience. Most of their residents do not enjoy that part of the training. A little hard to comment on USC. Large program. New hospital. With the new hospital, the goal was to reduce scut, and that's probably true.
 

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everyone has their own definition of scut so it's a little hard to make a generalization(but i'll try). Cedars definitely has less sctu compared to other teaching hospitals in the LA area. Interview, but make sure you ask about the VA experience. Most of their residents do not enjoy that part of the training. A little hard to comment on USC. Large program. New hospital. With the new hospital, the goal was to reduce scut, and that's probably true.

:laugh:

Probably because life is so nice at Cedars normally.

Has USC made it into the new hospital yet?
 

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:laugh:

Probably because life is so nice at Cedars normally.

Has USC made it into the new hospital yet?

Yes they have and it's pretty nice. Most rooms are single patient rooms with 2 double patient rooms on each floor. They also have less beds in the new hospital and apparently the call will be less for the incoming class.. from 11 months q4 to 9 months q4. That's all I know :)
 

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Let's not forget the USC overnight call rooms are across the street at the old hospital (at least that's the rumor...can someone verify this?)

Bottom line: Cedars Sinai is a 2nd tier program. You get decent training and opportunities but vastly different compared to say UCLA, UCSF, Stanford, Michigan, U of Chicago, and other top tier programs.
 

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Let's not forget the USC overnight call rooms are across the street at the old hospital (at least that's the rumor...can someone verify this?)

Bottom line: Cedars Sinai is a 2nd tier program. You get decent training and opportunities but vastly different compared to say UCLA, UCSF, Stanford, Michigan, U of Chicago, and other top tier programs.

They are at the new hospital. I saw them on my interview day.
 

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this post had to do with what makes programs 1st vs 2nd tier...
 
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i'm curious, what are the criteria that make a program 1st or 2nd tier? is this based on which fellowships one goes to... how bright the residents are (aka, is ucsf a 1st tier because it only accepts those w/ a board score of 250 vs cedars who may accept 230s?)...or how much the attendings know? or research?...or how well a doctor can take care of a patient?

It's mostly snobbish bull$h1t that people like to throw around "tiers" - probably have their egos too tied up in their institution. It's not as if you are not going to get acceptable training in general IM at a community program.

Tiers are nothing more than the generally accepted academic reputation of any given program.
 
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