Celiac Plexus Block/Neurolysis: your preferred technique?

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Hi All,

I've been doing a number of celiac blocks and neurolysis lately, seeing a lot of different techniques out there and wondering which technique the illuminati on here recommend.

Currently I am favoring a left sided flouro guided technique, using a bent tip 7 inch quinke needle (have a lot of fat patients), c arm at an oblique so the L1 transverse process distal tip lines up with the lateral margin of the L1 vertebral body, coaxial technique. This will usually end up transaortic (just love seeing the needle hub twist back and forth in unison with the pulse, the bent tip acts like a rudder in the stream of blood). Contrast to demonstrate anterocrural position. Usually use 20 cc of marcaine w/epi for block or 10cc Marcaine w/ EPI and 20 cc ETOH.

I know the MD anderson boys on SDN do a butt load of these blocks, all opinions welcome...

thanks!

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Thought this was an interesting editorial:

The Dreaded Complications From Neurolytic
Celiac Plexus Blocks Are Preventable!
To the Editor:
Navarro-Martinez et al.1 report a case of a neurolytic
celiac plexus block (NCPB) using ultrasonic guidance for
needle placement and 40 mL of 50% alcohol for benign
intractable pain which resulted in “. . .a leak of a pancre-
atojejunostomy, a large abscess around the celiac plexus,
and a small lesion in the mesenteric vein.” It generated an
editorial by McKay and McKay2 on the use of NCPBs for
such pain. I wish to comment on statements in both
publications.
Navarro-Martinez et al.1 state: “Serious complications
(from NCPBs). . .are rare.” And, referencing myself,3*
“The incidence of neurological complications (from
them) is 0.1%.” That article does not state 0.1%.* Its
publication date was 1979, not 1997. Although from the
sparsity of published cases, the dreaded complications,
particularly paralysis, from NCPBs, may appear to be rare,
this may not be the case. In the United States, they
become medicolegal cases and are settled out of court
without the defendant(s) admitting or denying fault.
Therefore, these settlements are filed “under seal,” which
makes the details of the complication confidential and
not public. As a result, they are markedly more numerous
than published.4-6 Indeed, McKay and McKay also note
the following: “Under-reporting of complications further
limits our understanding of the risk associated with
NCPB.”2
The McKays,2 referencing the publication by Moore et
al.7† stated the following. First, “The posterior approach,
with a single needle, has been widely described in the
literature and has been the standard of care for over 20
years.” Second, “When needle placement by “feel” rather
than by imaging was first analyzed by computed tomog-
raphy (CT) and fluoroscopy (F), investigators found that
needles frequently were not where they were expected or
intended to be, even by those with experienced hands.”
And lastly, “The introduction of CT scanning greatly im-
proved our accuracy of needle placement by allowing
clear visualization of structures and has reduced the vol-
ume of alcohol needed to perform an adequate block
(from 50 mL down to 15 mL).” I have never advocated
(1) using a single needle—it may now be the predomi-
nate but questionably the “standard of care,” (2) the use
of F,3-8 or (3) reducing the volume of the injected neu-
rolytic solution.3-8 After the investigation published in
1981,7 I have recommended only CT for NCPBs, not F or
any other imaging technique.4-6
The McKays2 also stated, “We are unable to find any
published description of a complication from NCPB when
performed from a posterior approach with fluoroscopic or
CT guidance.” In all probability, this occurred because
legally they were “under seal.” Nevertheless, publications
in peer-review journals present evidence that regardless
of approach, dreaded complications, particularly myelop-
athies, resulted when F rather than CT4-6 was used to
verify correct position of the needle’s bevel and point
immediately before injecting a neurolytic agent. In the
only instance in which CT was used and a devastating
*Reference 10 in their case report. That article noted that
during 30 years using “feel” and/or posteroanterior and lateral
roentgenograms to verify needle placement, 1 of 186 patients
(0.53%) receiving NCPBs injecting 25 mL of 50% alcohol
through each needle “developed a partial unilateral leg paraly-
sis,” which was not incapacitating.
complication resulted (paralysis), the authors stated
“with the patient in the prone position, CAT scanning
was used to visualize the coeliac trunk where it emerges
from the lumbar aorta and the measurements necessary
to introduce the needles were made.”9 In that case, there
is no evidence that CT imagining was used to reveal
precisely the location of the needle’s points before the
injection of the neurolytic agent (30 mL of absolute al-
cohol).
Regarding offering a NCPB to a patient with intractable
benign pain, the editorial correctly states the following,
which are also applicable to cancer pain.2 First, “In doing
so, it is of utmost importance to employ techniques with
the greatest known record of safety, and to avoid those
where vulnerable anatomic structures may be violated.”
Second, “It is imperative that we do so in the safest and
most effective manner.” Lastly, “Unfortunately, not all of
the novel approaches have arisen out of concern for
accuracy and safety, but instead convenience.” Whose
convenience, not to mention remuneration—the physi-
cian treating the intractable pain, the patient, or both?
To conclude, from presently available published data in
peer-reviewed journals,4-6,9 no doubt exists when per-
forming NCPBs for intractable pain (benign or cancer)
that only CT of the various imaging techniques precisely
locates the position of the needle’s point and bevel im-
mediately before injection of the neurolytic agent,
thereby avoiding its complications. One wonders if pa-
tients and their caregivers were informed of this, how
many would acquiesce to F?
Daniel C. Moore, M.D.
Emeritus
Virginia Mason Medical Center
Seattle, Washington
References
1. Navarro-Martinez J, Montes A, Comps O, Sitges-Serra A.
Retroperitoneal abscess after neurolytic celiac plexus
block from the anterior approach. Reg Anesth Pain Med
2003;28:528-530.
2. McKay WR, McKay RE. Neurolytic celiac plexus block for
benign pain: Still a question (editorial)? Reg Anesth Pain
Med 2003;28:495-497.
3. Moore DC. Celiac (splanchnic) plexus block with alcohol for
cancer pain of the upper intra-abdominal viscera. Adv
Pain Res Ther 1979;2:357-371.
4. Moore DC, Kaplan R. Neurolytic celiac plexus block: Can
paraplegia and death after neurolytic celiac plexus be
eliminated (correspondence)? Anesthesiology 1996;84:
1522-1523.
5. Moore DC, Ischia S, Polati E. Computed tomography elimi-
nates paraplegia and/or death from neurolytic celiac
plexus block (letters). Reg Anesth Pain Med 1999;24:483-
486.
6. Moore DC, Rathmell JP, Brown DL. Despite waffling and
minimaxing computed tomography is optimal when per-
forming a neurolytic celiac plexus block (letters). Reg
Anesth Pain Med 2001;26:285-287.
7. Moore DC, Bush WH, Burnett LL. Celiac plexus block: A
roentgenographic, anatomic study of technique and
spread of solution in patients and corpses. Anesth Analg
1981;60:369-379.
8. Moore DC. Regional Block. Springfield, IL: Charles C. Thomas
Publisher; 1965.
9. Vistentin M, Trentin L, Cappelari F. Paraplegia following
coeliac plexus block. Pain Clin 1992;5:249-252.
Accepted for publication February 9, 2004.
doi:10.1016/j.rapm.2004.02.001
Horner’s Syndrome Is Not a Complication of a
Brachial Plexus Block
To the Editor:
I read with interest the report by Boezaart et al. about
continuous cervical paravertebral block using a stimulat-
ing catheter.1 Boezaart and colleagues describe the ap-
pearance of Horner’s syndrome as a complication of the
brachial plexus block. The stellate ganglion (cervicotho-
racic ganglion) lies normally next to the seventh cervical
and first thoracic vertebrae. By anesthetizing the brachial
plexus, which is formed by the ventral rami of (C4) C5 to
C8 (T1), it is obvious that the stellate ganglion may also
be anesthetized (according to Greengrass in up to 50% of
interscalene blocks2). The Horner’s syndrome itself has
no clinical consequences for the patient. It, therefore,
definitely cannot be described as a complication. It is the
same case for ipsilateral diaphragmatic paresis (phrenic
nerve, C3 to C5) and hoarseness (recurrent laryngeal
nerve), which may occur as associated effects after bra-
chial plexus blocks. Only if they have clinical conse-
quences to the patient can they be labeled as “complica-
tions.”
Alexander Avidan, M.D.
Department of Anesthesiology and Critical Care Medicine
Hadassah—Hebrew University Medical Center
Jerusalem, Israel
E-mail: [email protected]
References
1. Boezaart AP, De Beer JF, Nell ML. Early experience with
continuous cervical paravertebral block using a stimulat-
ing catheter. Reg Anesth Pain Med 2003;28:406-413.
2. Greengrass R, Steele S, Moretti G, et al. Common techniques
for regional anesthesia. In: Raj PP, ed. Textbook of Regional
Anesthesia. Philadelphia, PA: Churchill Livingstone, 2002:
325-377.
Accepted for publication February 16, 2004.
doi:10.1016/j.rapm.2004.02.006
Cancer Patients Pose a Risk for Hematoma
Formation After Neuraxial Blocks Per Se
To the Editor:
Sidiropoulou et al. recently reported a case of epidural
hematoma after thoracic epidural catheter removal. Al-
though we fully endorse the objectives of this report,
which were to enhance awareness that an epidural he-
matoma can occur in the absence of risk factors,1 we
378 Regional Anesthesia and Pain Medicine Vol. 29 No. 4 July–August 2004
 
Nice article above.
We do 10cc 0.5% bupivicaine and repeat if partial relief is given.
Posterior approach 22G6" or 8" needle. We will choose the side of the greatest pain or perform b/l if diffuse abd pain. Para-aortic and not transaortic. 4-5cm anterior to the the anterior vertebral body margin in lateral and even with the lateral vertebral body in AP. Omnipaque to assess for vascular, intraluminal, or IM flow. L1 level. Netter is very useful in understanding all the stuff you do not want to puncture via this approach.
We have not used neurolytic block for the celiac in our practice. We will use pulsed when needed with expected results.:laugh:
 
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We favor the retrocrural bilateral splanchnic nerve blocks over true celiac plexus blocks: Safer, similar efficacy. Impaling the celiac trunk or the myriad of other complications that can go wrong with the trans-aortic or trans-discal approaches just seems to make for a bad day at work IMHO...

Efficacy of coeliac plexus and splanchnic nerve blockades in body and tail located pancreatic cancer pain.

Suleyman Ozyalcin N, Talu GK, Camlica H, Erdine S.
Department of Algology, Istanbul Medical Faculty, Istanbul University, Capa Klinikleri, 34390 Istanbul, Turkey.

Palliative treatment, pain therapy and quality of life (QOL) are very important in pancreatic cancer patients. We evaluated the pain relieving efficacy, side effects and effects on QOL of neurolytic coeliac plexus blockade (NCPB) and splanchnic nerves neurolytic blockade (SNB) in body and tail located pancreatic cancer. The study protocol was approved by the local ethics committee. Patients were randomly divided into two groups. Coeliac group; GC, N = 19 were treated with coeliac plexus blockade, whereas the patients in splanchnic group; GS, N = 20 were treated with bilateral splanchnic nerve blockade. The VAS values, opioid consumption and QOL (Patient satisfaction scale=PSS, performance status scale=PS) were evaluated prior to the procedure and at 2 weeks intervals after the procedure with the survival rates. The demographic features were found to be similar. The VAS differences (difference of every control's value with baseline value) in GS were significantly higher than the VAS differences in GC on every control meaning that VAS values in GS decreased more than the VAS values in GC. GS patients were found to decrease the opioid consumption significantly more than GC till the 6th control. GS patients had significant improvement in PS values at the first control. The mean survival rate was found to be significantly lower in GC. Two patients had severe pain during injection in GC and 5 patients had intractable diarrhoea in GC. Comparing the ease, pain relieving efficacy, QOL-effects of the methods, splanchnic nerve blocks may be an alternative to coeliac plexus blockade in patients with advanced body and tail located pancreatic cancer.
 
Hey Dave, do you use this approach for neurolysis as well? Hope all is well!

We favor the retrocrural bilateral splanchnic nerve blocks over true celiac plexus blocks: Safer, similar efficacy. Impaling the celiac trunk or the myriad of other complications that can go wrong with the trans-aortic or trans-discal approaches just seems to make for a bad day at work IMHO...

Efficacy of coeliac plexus and splanchnic nerve blockades in body and tail located pancreatic cancer pain.

Suleyman Ozyalcin N, Talu GK, Camlica H, Erdine S.
Department of Algology, Istanbul Medical Faculty, Istanbul University, Capa Klinikleri, 34390 Istanbul, Turkey.

Palliative treatment, pain therapy and quality of life (QOL) are very important in pancreatic cancer patients. We evaluated the pain relieving efficacy, side effects and effects on QOL of neurolytic coeliac plexus blockade (NCPB) and splanchnic nerves neurolytic blockade (SNB) in body and tail located pancreatic cancer. The study protocol was approved by the local ethics committee. Patients were randomly divided into two groups. Coeliac group; GC, N = 19 were treated with coeliac plexus blockade, whereas the patients in splanchnic group; GS, N = 20 were treated with bilateral splanchnic nerve blockade. The VAS values, opioid consumption and QOL (Patient satisfaction scale=PSS, performance status scale=PS) were evaluated prior to the procedure and at 2 weeks intervals after the procedure with the survival rates. The demographic features were found to be similar. The VAS differences (difference of every control's value with baseline value) in GS were significantly higher than the VAS differences in GC on every control meaning that VAS values in GS decreased more than the VAS values in GC. GS patients were found to decrease the opioid consumption significantly more than GC till the 6th control. GS patients had significant improvement in PS values at the first control. The mean survival rate was found to be significantly lower in GC. Two patients had severe pain during injection in GC and 5 patients had intractable diarrhoea in GC. Comparing the ease, pain relieving efficacy, QOL-effects of the methods, splanchnic nerve blocks may be an alternative to coeliac plexus blockade in patients with advanced body and tail located pancreatic cancer.
 
Hey Dave, do you use this approach for neurolysis as well? Hope all is well!

You bet! We do the neuroloysis with pharmaceutical grade ETOH. What's left over mixes up great with those little cranberry cocktail juices we give patients in the recovery area! :)

I recently reviewed this literature for a talk I gave the palliative care folks. My favorite study is the 2004 Wong et al in JAMA from "the Mayo." Improved pain relief but no difference in quality of life or survival. I think it is probably one of the most "humanistic" interventions we do in pain medicine...truely palliative. It's the kind of consult I don't mind getting on a Friday at 4:30PM. As opposed to the usual, "We've tried absolutely nothing and are completely out of ideas."

Effect of neurolytic celiac plexus block on pain relief, quality of life, and survival in patients with unresectable pancreatic cancer: a randomized controlled trial.

Wong GY, Schroeder DR, Carns PE, Wilson JL, Martin DP, Kinney MO, Mantilla CB, Warner DO.

Department of Anesthesiology and Division of Pain Medicine, Mayo Clinic College of Medicine, Rochester, Minn 55905, USA. [email protected]

CONTEXT: Pancreatic cancer is an aggressive tumor associated with high mortality. Optimal pain control may improve quality of life (QOL) for these patients. OBJECTIVE: To test the hypothesis that neurolytic celiac plexus block (NCPB) vs opioids alone improves pain relief, QOL, and survival in patients with unresectable pancreatic cancer. DESIGN, SETTING, AND PATIENTS: Double-blind, randomized clinical trial conducted at Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minn. Enrolled (October 1997 and January 2001) were 100 eligible patients with unresectable pancreatic cancer experiencing pain. Patients were followed up for at least 1 year or until death. INTERVENTION: Patients were randomly assigned to receive either NCPB or systemic analgesic therapy alone with a sham injection. All patients could receive additional opioids managed by a clinician blinded to the treatment assignment. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Pain intensity (0-10 numerical rating scale), QOL, opioid consumption and related adverse effects, and survival time were assessed weekly by a blinded observer. RESULTS: Mean (SD) baseline pain was 4.4 (1.7) for NCPB vs 4.1 (1.8) for opioids alone. The first week after randomization, pain intensity and QOL scores were improved (pain intensity, P< or =.01 for both groups; QOL, P<.001 for both groups), with a larger decrease in pain for the NCPB group (P =.005). From repeated measures analysis, pain was also lower for NCPB over time (P =.01). However, opioid consumption (P =.93), frequency of opioid adverse effects (all P>.10), and QOL (P =.46) were not significantly different between groups. In the first 6 weeks, fewer NCPB patients reported moderate or severe pain (pain intensity rating of > or =5/10) vs opioid-only patients (14% vs 40%, P =.005). At 1 year, 16% of NCPB patients and 6% of opioid-only patients were alive. However, survival did not differ significantly between groups (P =.26, proportional hazards regression). CONCLUSION: Although NCPB improves pain relief in patients with pancreatic cancer vs optimized systemic analgesic therapy alone, it does not affect QOL or survival.
 
Per Raj in his Radiographic Imaging for Regional Anesthesia and Pain Management:

"Apart from the common risks associated with celiac and splanchnic nerve blocks, the rates of pneumothorax, thoracic duct injury, and inadvertent spread of the injected drug to the somatic nerve roots are higher for the splanchnic nerve block than for the celiac plexus block." (no source for these claims cited)

Would hate to get ETOH to the nerve roots or cord. This is one advantage of the anterocrural celiac block technique specifically when performing neurolysis...

We favor the retrocrural bilateral splanchnic nerve blocks over true celiac plexus blocks: Safer, similar efficacy. Impaling the celiac trunk or the myriad of other complications that can go wrong with the trans-aortic or trans-discal approaches just seems to make for a bad day at work IMHO...

Efficacy of coeliac plexus and splanchnic nerve blockades in body and tail located pancreatic cancer pain.

Suleyman Ozyalcin N, Talu GK, Camlica H, Erdine S.
Department of Algology, Istanbul Medical Faculty, Istanbul University, Capa Klinikleri, 34390 Istanbul, Turkey.

Palliative treatment, pain therapy and quality of life (QOL) are very important in pancreatic cancer patients. We evaluated the pain relieving efficacy, side effects and effects on QOL of neurolytic coeliac plexus blockade (NCPB) and splanchnic nerves neurolytic blockade (SNB) in body and tail located pancreatic cancer. The study protocol was approved by the local ethics committee. Patients were randomly divided into two groups. Coeliac group; GC, N = 19 were treated with coeliac plexus blockade, whereas the patients in splanchnic group; GS, N = 20 were treated with bilateral splanchnic nerve blockade. The VAS values, opioid consumption and QOL (Patient satisfaction scale=PSS, performance status scale=PS) were evaluated prior to the procedure and at 2 weeks intervals after the procedure with the survival rates. The demographic features were found to be similar. The VAS differences (difference of every control's value with baseline value) in GS were significantly higher than the VAS differences in GC on every control meaning that VAS values in GS decreased more than the VAS values in GC. GS patients were found to decrease the opioid consumption significantly more than GC till the 6th control. GS patients had significant improvement in PS values at the first control. The mean survival rate was found to be significantly lower in GC. Two patients had severe pain during injection in GC and 5 patients had intractable diarrhoea in GC. Comparing the ease, pain relieving efficacy, QOL-effects of the methods, splanchnic nerve blocks may be an alternative to coeliac plexus blockade in patients with advanced body and tail located pancreatic cancer.
 
Neurolysis of the Splanchnic is not done with Etoh. It is done with radiofrequency ablation.
 
Hey Ligament,

Are u going to AAPM? Hope to see u there.

Anyways, regarding the whole celiac thing, we probably do more than anywhere. Truth is, there is virtually no good data comparing efficacy of techniques for celiac block. Of note, GI has started doing endoscopic, transgastric ultrasound to perform celiac neurolytic (ouch).

First off, we never do RF for celiac, superior hypogastrics, or ganglion impars. I personally think that it is kinda bogus. There is a reason that volume is your friend here--the splanchnics can arise from anywhere from T9-L1. And just because Netter says that they all collect and penetrate the crus at T12, who knows how much anatomic variability exists within the population. Sure, you may be able to get a little bit of the plexus, you may feel good about yourself if you can get epigastric sensory stim prior to lesioning, but it isn't just one nerve you're after. RF is perhaps safer, but then again so is doing nothing.

We primarily use phenol for celiacs. There are two main reasons why we don't use alcohol. First, alcohol neuritis of the dorsal roots from posterior flow really sucks. Secondly, there is significant data to support the notion that alcohol can cause vasospasm of spinal arterioles. This is the proposed mechanism of paralysis after celiac neurolytic.

We often use a retrocrural approach, aka "splanchnic plexus block." We put the needles in at T12, just posterior to the anterior border of the vertebral body. Inject dye to prove that we're behind the diaphragm. We do 10cc chloroprocaine through each needle and check motor function after 3 minutes. If all is well, we do 10cc of 5% phenol through each needle.

Celiacs seem to help, but they are rarely a homerun in my experience.
 
Wanted to re-visit this topic. I seem to be getting some more referrals from the oncologists. In the past, I performed a two needle technique. Lately, I've been doing a single needle transaortic. Excluding a couple of patients with tumor burden preventing spread (even with R & L needles), I don't seem any difference. Of course, puncturing the aorta does wonders for enhancing my bowel regularity.... Anyone doing anything different since last discussed? thanks
 
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Wanted to re-visit this topic. I seem to be getting some more referrals from the oncologists. In the past, I performed a two needle technique. Lately, I've been doing a single needle transaortic. Excluding a couple of patients with tumor burden preventing spread (even with R & L needles), I don't seem any difference. Of course, puncturing the aorta does wonders for enhancing my bowel regularity.... Anyone doing anything different since last discussed? thanks

i used to do these under CT. man its nice, but what a waste of time...

i go at L1, i put in 2 needles, almost always. I inject from the left first, and if i get good spread that crosses midline, then i only inject through it. I inject about 7 ccs of dye, give or take, and if i get the spread i want, I inject about 12cc of local ( theoretically you could just inject the 7, but...)

i use alcohol, because its easy. I mix it with 0.25% bupiv. I usually inject 5 cc of lido plus epi, to make sure first then 10-15cc per needles as needed, see above. I almost never put more than 25 cc total, and almost only 18-20 cc of ETOH if its bil, and maybe 10 cc of etoh plus 5cc of bupiv if its unilateral and i inject a full 15 cc...

its my way, and everyone has their own way. My partner used to do these blind and they worked, so we could try and say why our way is better, but...
 
Doc Shark are you trying to avoid the aorta? If you get in, do you just advance through? Or do you just limit how far you advance the needle (anteriorly) in the first place.
 
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Doc Shark are you trying to avoid the aorta? If you get in, do you just advance through? Or do you just limit how far you advance the needle (anteriorly) in the first place.


im not avoiding the aorta per se, but im not aiming for it. If i get it, i just advance through it, and almost always can do it all through the one needle. I prefer not to hit it... but alas, the big artery is there
 
I don't do many , but do Trans aortic with single needle, I do get pre procedure CT if one not done recently. R/o Aneurysm which could be problem when 22 g pierces it.
 
In these cancer patients, I always review their most recent CT images. I kind of get a better idea of where I don't want the needle to go. If I'm using alcohol (for the neurolysis, not personally), I use a 25g needle. Can't inject phenol through a 6 or 8 inch 25g, so I use a 22g in those instances.
 
In these cancer patients, I always review their most recent CT images. I kind of get a better idea of where I don't want the needle to go. If I'm using alcohol (for the neurolysis, not personally), I use a 25g needle. Can't inject phenol through a 6 or 8 inch 25g, so I use a 22g in those instances.

i used to use phenol, but it became difficult to get, and i just started using ETOH, and since i mix it a little, i havent had any problems. But phenol is good. I agree, sludgy...
 
For what it's worth, I've recently had a paper accepted by Pain Medicine looking at several variables. We found the following significantly associated with a positive outcome (>50% pain relief at one month post procedure):

1. lower morphine doses prior to procedure
2. absence of sedative administration prior to procedure

While the following fell short of statistical significance, they were associated with a strong trend towards a positive outcome:

1. use of lower local anesthetic volumes (<20ml)
2. procedure preformed under CT guidance compared to fluoro

Hope it helps.
 
Oh... also, for what it's worth, we found no difference between many other variables, including ante vs. retrocrural approach or single vs double needles.

The anesthetic volume listed in my previous post is used during the diagnostic block.

Also, if it helps, I published a separate article reviewing management for a certain type of cancer pain. These were some of the techniques I referenced:

1. Garcia X, Mayoral V, Montero A, Serra J, Porta J: Josep
Celiac plexus block: a new technique using the left
lateral approach. Clin J Pain 2007, 23(7):635&#8211;637.
doi:10.1097/AJP.0b013e31812e6aa8.

2. Erdine S: Celiac ganglion block. Intervent Treat 2005,
17(1):14&#8211;22.

3. Romanelli D, Beckmann C, Heiss F: Celiac plexus
block: efficacy and safety of the anterior approach.
Am J Roentgenologt 1993, 160(3):497&#8211;500.
 
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I have never done these under CT guidance but it seems like a much safer alternative. How do you learn how to do these under CT? Is there some course out there for those of you who do them under CT.
 
I have never done these under CT guidance but it seems like a much safer alternative. How do you learn how to do these under CT? Is there some course out there for those of you who do them under CT.


dont waste your time doing them under CT. I have done plenty and hate it. In theory its nice. but under fluoro is still quite safe if done with appropriate precaution.

remember this was done blind prior, and tpically without complication
 
What was the blind technique? Ive done stellates "blind" and that was enough of a sphincter tightener to last me awhile.
 
What was the blind technique? Ive done stellates "blind" and that was enough of a sphincter tightener to last me awhile.


feel for T12 (find the ribs) draw this stupid triangle thing like 8 cm lateral. Go till you hit the veterbral body, then re-direct till you "walk" anterior to the vertebral body...yikes

i have done blind Cervicals...
 
Nice article above.
We do 10cc 0.5% bupivicaine and repeat if partial relief is given.
Posterior approach 22G6" or 8" needle. We will choose the side of the greatest pain or perform b/l if diffuse abd pain. Para-aortic and not transaortic. 4-5cm anterior to the the anterior vertebral body margin in lateral and even with the lateral vertebral body in AP. Omnipaque to assess for vascular, intraluminal, or IM flow. L1 level. Netter is very useful in understanding all the stuff you do not want to puncture via this approach.
We have not used neurolytic block for the celiac in our practice. We will use pulsed when needed with expected results.:laugh:

Hey Steve, how do you know when you're getting close to the aorta? Do you feel it? Does anyone use blunt needles? I just don't want to go through the aorta if I can help it. Paravert mentioned going just posterior to the anterior vert body for the retrocrural approach. Would that work? I'm gonna try one on a guy with ADPKD and chronic flank pain from hemorrhagic renal cysts. Good idea?
 
Hey Steve, how do you know when you're getting close to the aorta? Do you feel it? Does anyone use blunt needles? I just don't want to go through the aorta if I can help it. Paravert mentioned going just posterior to the anterior vert body for the retrocrural approach. Would that work? I'm gonna try one on a guy with ADPKD and chronic flank pain from hemorrhagic renal cysts. Good idea?

bad idea, with regard to the patient selection, not the approach

but you feel the wall of the aorta, and you can aspirate when you get close, and sometimes you can feel the pulsatile wall...take the stylet off and watch the blood come out with each heart beat, fascinating and horrifying at the same time
 
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Para-aortic approach is favorable. Trans-aortic is fine.
I use fluoro to guide me for the block (but don't do neurolytics becuase I feel the CT is safer).

We know where the aorta should be, and if we can sneak past it, great. If not, keep the stylet in and keep going. I cannot feel the difference with a syletted needle but can see and feel the difference with an unstyletted needle on a 10cc syringe. Hold on to the plunger and keep going. COntrast to know you're through.
 
the problem with these is the rarity with which we do them - unless at a major cancer center.... so if something goes wrong, and the plaintiff's attorney deposes you and asks "how many of these did you do in the last three years" and your answer is "2" then you are going to look really silly in front of the jury...
 
the problem with these is the rarity with which we do them - unless at a major cancer center.... so if something goes wrong, and the plaintiff's attorney deposes you and asks "how many of these did you do in the last three years" and your answer is "2" then you are going to look really silly in front of the jury...

i do one month maybe...
 
I've done the transaortic technique with epimed blunt needles, hoping that the needle would deflect off the wall of the aorta and slide around it. No dice, it went right through the aorta just like a quincke needle. I like the transaortic route, the plexus is on the ventral side of the aortic wall, no better place to put the needle. Also, if you run live fluoro on a lateral view, you will see the aorta pulsing, and contrast surrounding the pulsing aorta, confirming your medication is in the right spot.
 
i do one month maybe...

I'm in for one a month to every other month.

Does this mean we need to send out patients to MD Anderson?
Rare is rare, but it does not mean much in regards to technical competence.

Complication rate of 1/863 is reported (for major complications)
 
I havent done one since fellowship but would feel comfortable performing one if it came up. Ive only done them for pancreatic cancer pain. Anyone have success for blocks in nonmalignant abd pain? dx?

Thanks
 
bad idea, with regard to the patient selection, not the approach

but you feel the wall of the aorta, and you can aspirate when you get close, and sometimes you can feel the pulsatile wall...take the stylet off and watch the blood come out with each heart beat, fascinating and horrifying at the same time

Why is this a bad idea as far as patient selection? Aren't the kidneys innervated by the celiac? Is it cause he's sick as snot. I just don't know what else I can offer this guy other than ever increasing doses of narcs . . .
 
I havent done one since fellowship but would feel comfortable performing one if it came up. Ive only done them for pancreatic cancer pain. Anyone have success for blocks in nonmalignant abd pain? dx?

Thanks


definitly not!
 
Why is this a bad idea as far as patient selection? Aren't the kidneys innervated by the celiac? Is it cause he's sick as snot. I just don't know what else I can offer this guy other than ever increasing doses of narcs . . .


i dont do neurolytic plexus blocks in non-malingnant cases, thats why i think the patient selection isnt great.

While the innervation is there, in my experience, and i dont work at MD anderson, is that the best organ treated with celiacs are the pancreas, everything else has never been so good in terms of results...
 
I limit my neurolytics to peripheral nerves, stumps, scars, and intercostals.

I do celiac and hypogastric blocks for non-malignant, but not the neurolytics.
Above the navel= celiac, below the navel = superior hypogastric.
That's as rough a guide to give. Knowing the innervation is a little more important becuae if you turn off the wrong one, you get no relief.

Problem arises when you cannot find a Neurolytic performing doc in your area (except for malignancy). With fluoro, I'd be tempted to perform pulsed RF on hypogastric and celiac's, but no good data to suggest benefit. At least harm would be minimized.
 
I limit my neurolytics to peripheral nerves, stumps, scars, and intercostals.

I do celiac and hypogastric blocks for non-malignant, but not the neurolytics.
Above the navel= celiac, below the navel = superior hypogastric.
That's as rough a guide to give. Knowing the innervation is a little more important becuae if you turn off the wrong one, you get no relief.

Problem arises when you cannot find a Neurolytic performing doc in your area (except for malignancy). With fluoro, I'd be tempted to perform pulsed RF on hypogastric and celiac's, but no good data to suggest benefit. At least harm would be minimized.


i used to PRF the hypogastrics, never worked. Did maybe 5, so not that many.

i agree in the textbooks the innervation is very clear what is supplies by the celiac and hypogastric plexi, what i am saying is that IMHO, when i have used the celiacs for organs other than the pancreas, but still innervated by the celiac plexus, the results ahve been disappointing, at least in my hands. Granted i used do more of this, and more than most out there (unfortunately) but i certainly dont do as much as someone in an academic program with lots of cancer pain. So my opinion is my opinion.

this is the same for non-malignant pelvix and rectal pain that is attempted to be treated with hypogastric plexus blocks/neurolytics. my limited experience has all but led me away from doing this, as it is RARELY completly organic and soemthing that can not be effectively treated with the blocks...


Steve, why do a diagnostic plexus but not the neurolytic? THis is why i dont even offer diagnostic blocks for chronic pancreatitis or whatever, since i wont do the neurolytic...
there is not too much diagnostic utility in the block, it tells you something hurts from the lower part of the stomach to the splenic flexture...
 
ironically, this is a 3 year long discussion!
 
Hi e'body! Is anybody using Trans discal approach for celiacs! I did one, via T12-L1 disc with flouroscopy, from left side in patient of RCC with mets, predominantly Lt. flank pain, gave 15 ml. Bupi .25% followed by 12 ml. 6% phenol. Immidiate response was 20-30% relief. But afterwards patient says that from that day he is feeling more sick and feeling more pain.

Got a recent CECT abd. done there are mets in Pancreatic head, renal mass (lt.) and extension in Lt. renal vein and artery, apart from lung n vertebral mets (T12). Have put him on narcs. Should I repeat the celiac or splanchnic? Please guide:confused:
 
Hi e'body! Is anybody using Trans discal approach for celiacs! I did one, via T12-L1 disc with flouroscopy, from left side in patient of RCC with mets, predominantly Lt. flank pain, gave 15 ml. Bupi .25% followed by 12 ml. 6% phenol. Immidiate response was 20-30% relief. But afterwards patient says that from that day he is feeling more sick and feeling more pain.

Got a recent CECT abd. done there are mets in Pancreatic head, renal mass (lt.) and extension in Lt. renal vein and artery, apart from lung n vertebral mets (T12). Have put him on narcs. Should I repeat the celiac or splanchnic? Please guide:confused:


WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS APPROACH!!!! Not to attack... There are case reports of severe discitis with inadvertant puncture of the bowel, then pulling through the disc...i think there are better approaches. get an MRI or bone scan, make sure isnt a discitis...
 
I did it for the ease of technique(in my opinion) and to avoid aorta, took the proper aseptic measure and 1 gm Cefazolin 30 mins. before and also bit in disc. No, it doesn't look like discitis, coz pain is essentially in the pre-procedural distribution, no fever, no rise in counts. Though dint confirmed by MRI or Bone scan!

Now if anybody have some opinion regrding the depth of needle past disc, coz I only went 1.5 cm ahead on a lat. flouro. May be I just couldn't reach the plexus! Plz guide...:confused::oops:
 
Also I used LOR for passing through the disc in lat. flouro, so slim chances of bowel encounter...

Should I do it again or simply continue with narcs!!!
 
I'd be worried about the cord at T12/L1. I generally first try a Antecrural approach at L1. If that doesn't work or works poorly I'll consider the retrocrural at T12 (ie kill the splanchnic nerves) especially if the cancer is encroaching on the celiac artery.

Of note, I've had a couple of benign pancreatic pain who responded to local at the celiac plexus who then went on to do well with a SCS trial (2 leads at T5-6). Still haven't moved to SCS implant for it though for 1. insurance reasons and 2. "I want to try some alternative techniques for the pain and learn to live with it" Yay for that guy!
 
Had a question about splanchnics. I was taught in fellowship to note the position of the diaphragm in later and if covering T12, go to T11. My attending would even have me advance only during inspiration so to "avoid the diaphragm".

Well I was getting ready to do one today and the guy's diaphragm on lateral was all the way up to T10. It would drop a little during inspiration making T10 a possible choice but I didn't want to chance it. Anyway, the guy started vomiting on the table so I aborted the procedure.

My question: do you guys worry about where the diaphragm is when you do your splanchnics? Why would my attending be so concerned about that when you cross L1 for celiacs w/o worrying about diaphragm? Any thoughts, I'm debating what I'm gonna do on this guy.....
 
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