cGPA 3.5, sGPA 3.43, 513 MCAT WAMC

[rjkbuny]

Thanks so much ahead of time!

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[rjkbuny]

I forgot to ask in the first post, what are people's thoughts on newly established medical schools? Should I apply because of my lower stats? (Such as Cali Northstate and Western Michigan) Can we assume we get the same education no matter how long the school has been established, or would it be better to try to get into a more established program?

 

[Goro]

CNU has taken moves that have had me questioning their integrity and competence from day 1. I can't recommend them. I think Western MI is competitive enough now that it's not friendly to OOSers. Oakland B still is. The caveat with new schools is that they take awhile to get their "sea legs" and so people who have a pioneering spirit will do best there.

For you, I recommend:

U WA

The new WSU, if they're taking apps

U VM

Miami

St. Louis

Albany

Rush (note: very service/experience oriented with a 150hr service requirement. Avg student has 800 hours of community service, and >1800 hours of health care exposure.)

Rosy Franklin

MCW

NYMC

VCU

EVMS

Wake Forest

Jefferson

Temple

Drexel

Creighton

George Washington

Tulane

Loyola

Oakland B

Any DO program, starting with both Westerns, PacNW, Touro-CA, TUNCOM, AZCOM, both RVUs, and SOMA

 

[rjkbuny]

CNU has taken moves that have had me questioning their integrity and competence from day 1. I can't recommend them. I think Western MI is competitive enough now that it's not friendly to OOSers. Oakland B still is. The caveat with new schools is that they take awhile to get their "sea legs" and so people who have a pioneering spirit will do best there.

For you, I recommend:

U WA

The new WSU, if they're taking apps

U VM

Miami

St. Louis

Thank you so much for the school list! I was looking at St. Louis per your recommendation on someone else's post, but I think it is at a 10th percentile gpa of 3.63 now. Am I looking at the wrong one? If not, would my gpa be too low?

 

[Goro]

Jeeze, they've become GPA ******! They're right up there with Harvard and WashU.
Take them off the list.

Thank you so much for the school list! I was looking at St. Louis per your recommendation on someone else's post, but I think it is at a 10th percentile gpa of 3.63 now. Am I looking at the wrong one? If not, would my gpa be too low?

 

[rjkbuny]

Jeeze, they've become GPA ******! They're right up there with Harvard and WashU.
Take them off the list.

I'll cross that off! Thank you! Would you have any suggestions for reach schools? I tried to find ones that had a relatively low 10th percentile gpa range.

 

[rjkbuny]

I have also been wondering, with my stats, do I have a reasonable shot at these schools, or should I really expand and apply to as many as I can possibly handle?

 

[oak'n'oats]

GPA is okay, MCAT is great and ECs are very solid. Being asian and having WY as a state of residence doesn't exactly help however. Nonetheless WWAMI med schools are a must add (U WA & maybe WSU?). I'd take off USF, Louisville, Indiana, and Iowa (all state schools with in state preference). From your reaches take out Emory, Keck, the UCs, and Pitt (high stats). California is hard enough for instate let alone OOS. Consider adding schools like western michigan, vermont, and wayne state. CNU gets a lot of bad rep on sdn due to its for-profit status & the financial aid policies. However I'd consider adding it as a last option school just because CNU is still a US MD school and who knows? As a new school, its still figuring things out and they could become a good program later down the road. No one can say for sure. As far as DO schools go, take Goro's suggestions.

 

[gyngyn]

As a new school, its still figuring things out and they could become a good program later down the road. No one can say for sure. As far as DO schools go, take Goro's suggestions.

What we can say for sure is their owners chose to deny their inaugural class the opportunity to obtain federal loans and payback mechanisms. If they care so little for their first class, how can we expect that they will care more for their successors?

 

[oak'n'oats]

What we can say for sure is their owners chose to deny their inaugural class the opportunity to obtain federal loans and payback mechanisms. If they care so little for their first class, how can we expect that they will care more for their successors?

You're right and its unfortunate they did that. However since they are for-profit, they did that as a business decision so they could profit more from private lenders than federal ones. There is a lot of demand for medical seats with little supply so they knew there would be people okay with getting private loans to go to CNU. Some private loans even have lower interest rates than federal loans but the flipside is that federal loans seem to have some added benefits over private ones. However I do believe it is in CNU's best interest to make sure its class succeeds so I'm sure the education there is fine. Their new dean was the previous dean of UC Irvine and they have rotations set up with major hospitals like Kaiser Permanente. They have a small class (unlike the offshore for-profits ones accepting bucket-loads of people) and also it's in the process of LCME accreditation. I trust that the LCME organization knows what they're doing since they wouldn't just accredit any school. California is the state with the most qualified pre-med students and there will be plenty of students who will want to stay than leave OOS. With each passing year, I assume CNU will become much more competitive so then maybe further down the road they will probably take federal loans once they become more established. So I still believe the negative perception of CNU is a little unfair due to it being the first "for-profit" US MD school. We always fear what we don't know. Who knows, maybe their model paves the way for more for-profit US MD schools.

Bringing it back to OP: That being said, I would still make CNU a last option school MD School. If you were to get an acceptance to an established MD school somewhere else, you should definitely take that over CNU any day. But then again, if all the CNU talk on this forum is getting you weary then by all means don't apply there. I'm sure they will get more than enough applicants this year since they are now on AMCAS as opposed to last year where they had to use their own application. I believe OP does have a good chance though at other schools if she plays her cards right.

 

[gyngyn]

You're right and its unfortunate they did that. However since they are for-profit, they did that as a business decision so they could profit more from private lenders than federal ones. There is a lot of demand for medical seats with little supply so they knew there would be people okay with getting private loans to go to CNU. Some private loans even have lower interest rates than federal loans but the flipside is that federal loans seem to have some added benefits over private ones. However I do believe it is in CNU's best interest to make sure its class succeeds so I'm sure the education there is fine. Their new dean was the previous dean of UC Irvine and they have rotations set up with major hospitals like Kaiser Permanente. They have a small class (unlike the offshore for-profits ones accepting bucket-loads of people) and also it's in the process of LCME accreditation. I trust that the LCME organization knows what they're doing since they wouldn't just accredit any school. California is the state with the most qualified pre-med students and there will be plenty of students who will want to stay than leave OOS. With each passing year, I assume CNU will become much more competitive so then maybe further down the road they will probably take federal loans once they become more established. So I still believe the negative perception of CNU is a little unfair due to it being the first "for-profit" US MD school. We always fear what we don't know. Who knows, maybe their model paves the way for more for-profit US MD schools.

Bringing it back to OP: That being said, I would still make CNU a last option school MD School. If you were to get an acceptance to an established MD school somewhere else, you should definitely take that over CNU any day. But then again, if all the CNU talk on this forum is getting you weary then by all means don't apply there. I'm sure they will get more than enough applicants this year since they are now on AMCAS as opposed to last year where they had to use their own application. I believe OP does have a good chance though at other schools if she plays her cards right.

The values of their founding "fathers" have been established: when their financial interests conflict with the students' best interests, they choose themselves. It is the fact that the choice to have federal loans and payback mechanisms was denied that is telling.
They are only small because the LCME required it.
They are expanding at the fastest possible rate without yet having developed clinical sites.

 

[rjkbuny]

GPA is okay, MCAT is great and ECs are very solid. Being asian and having WY as a state of residence doesn't exactly help however. Nonetheless WWAMI med schools are a must add (U WA & maybe WSU?). I'd take off USF, Louisville, Indiana, and Iowa (all state schools with in state preference). From your reaches take out Emory, Keck, the UCs, and Pitt (high stats). California is hard enough for instate let alone OOS. Consider adding schools like western michigan, vermont, and wayne state. CNU gets a lot of bad rep on sdn due to its for-profit status & the financial aid policies. However I'd consider adding it as a last option school just because CNU is still a US MD school and who knows? As a new school, its still figuring things out and they could become a good program later down the road. No one can say for sure. As far as DO schools go, take Goro's suggestions.

Thanks so much for the suggestions! Just wondering, USF's MSAR stats show that OOS have about half the chance of matriculating as IS. Is that just because they happened to have a strong OOS applicant pool that year, or are they slowly moving towards allowing more OOS applicants?

@Goro I called WSU and they unfortunately are not sure if they will be accredited yet, and won't know until supposively after Oct.