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Is it possible to study in Prague at Charles 1st faculty ( English program) and then to practice in France? What about other EU countries? What is the level of this program compared to other EU programs, lik France. I am an undergrad in th states, about to graduate and I have french citizenship.
 

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Is it possible to study in Prague at Charles 1st faculty ( English program) and then to practice in France? What about other EU countries? What is the level of this program compared to other EU programs, lik France. I am an undergrad in th states, about to graduate and I have french citizenship.
The fact that you have EU citizenship (French, no less) and will have a degree from an EU medical school means that you will be entitled to take the ECN and be treated exactly the same as French graduates from French medical schools. And, as you probably know, your rank on the ECN is the sole criterion used in obtaining specialty training in France.

Students from med schools outside France may be at a disadvantage, though, simply because French med schools teach to the ECN, both in content and in getting their students used to ECN style questions. If you'd be okay with family medicine, then you have nothing to worry about. But if you want an especially competitive specialty, be sure to familiarize yourself with the format of the ECN and get some good ECN prep material.

Watch out for your timing, too. If you want to write the ECN and be treated just like a regular French med student, then you need to apply during your last year at Charles. Make sure you don't miss any deadlines.
 

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I got some more info from remede forum. Bear with me as this is quite complicated, and Im not sure if its true.

according to Décret n° 2004-67 du 16 janvier 2004 relatif à l'organisation du troisième cycle des études médicales

Peuvent accéder au troisième cycle des études médicales :

- les étudiants ayant validé le deuxième cycle des études médicales en France ;

- les étudiants ressortissants des Etats membres de la Communauté européenne, de la Confédération suisse, de la Principauté d'Andorre ou des Etats parties à l'accord sur l'Espace économique européen, autres que la France, titulaires d'un diplôme de fin de deuxième cycle des études médicales ou d'un titre équivalent délivré par l'un de ces Etats. Un arrêté des ministres chargés de l'enseignement supérieur et de la santé détermine les conditions dans lesquelles sont appréciées ces équivalences.


Notice in second paragraph: "Autres que la France" So this means that If I am French and I have EU diploma outside of France can't do ECN, but if I have any EU citiznship but French with EU training, then I can.

It makes no sense to me, seems to violate EU law, but I will write to the concours people to find out more. I hope it is not true. In case it is true, do you know about specialisation in other countries?
 

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I got some more info from remede forum. Bear with me as this is quite complicated, and Im not sure if its true.

according to Décret n° 2004-67 du 16 janvier 2004 relatif à l'organisation du troisième cycle des études médicales

Peuvent accéder au troisième cycle des études médicales :

- les étudiants ayant validé le deuxième cycle des études médicales en France ;

- les étudiants ressortissants des Etats membres de la Communauté européenne, de la Confédération suisse, de la Principauté d'Andorre ou des Etats parties à l'accord sur l'Espace économique européen, autres que la France, titulaires d'un diplôme de fin de deuxième cycle des études médicales ou d'un titre équivalent délivré par l'un de ces Etats. Un arrêté des ministres chargés de l'enseignement supérieur et de la santé détermine les conditions dans lesquelles sont appréciées ces équivalences.


Notice in second paragraph: "Autres que la France" So this means that If I am French and I have EU diploma outside of France can't do ECN, but if I have any EU citiznship but French with EU training, then I can.

It makes no sense to me, seems to violate EU law, but I will write to the concours people to find out more. I hope it is not true. In case it is true, do you know about specialisation in other countries?
This sounds really unfair and makes no sense to me, but you appear to be right. Delphee wrote the following in one of her posts on remede:

Delphee said:
Copie de l'email envoye au bureau du concours de l'ECN la semaine derniere:

Je suis à la recherche d'informations concernant l'inscription aux ECN de Médecine pour les étudiants de la communauté européenne. Selon l'article 5 de l'arrête du 21/12/2006: En application du deuxième alinéa de l'article premier du décret du 16 janvier 2004 précité, les étudiants ressortissants des Etats membres de la Communauté européenne autre que la France peuvent demander à participer aux épreuves classantes nationales,
Pourriez vous clarifier s'il vous plait si les étudiants de nationalité Française diplômées d'une université de l'union européenne on droit de s'inscrire aux ECN.

Bonjour,
Article 1er du décret n° 2004-67 du 16 janvier 20004 organisant le 3° cycle des études médicales : les ressortissants français qui ont poursuivi les études médicales du second cycle dans un pays autre que la France n'ont pas accès aux ECN
Cordialement


ceci veut dire qu'un espagnol etudiant en belgique peut passer l'ECN mais du fait de notre nationalite Francaise, nous nous en sommes prives!
N'est ce pas considere comme de la discrimination ou une atteinte a la libre circulation des personnes dans l'UE??

This really screws things up for a lot of people (and it might be illegal). With a degree from Charles and French citizenship you'd be free to do specialty training in any other EU/EEA country...so long as you spoke the language. Belgium and the UK are the two most obvious choices. Ireland and Switzerland are two others.

Unlike the other three, Switzerland isn't an EU country, and it seems to make things at least a little difficult for EU graduates to do specialty training there. (As you can probably tell from reading posts on remede, no one really seems to know what the proper procedure is apart from approaching individual training supervisors directly.)

Belgium, traditionally, hasn't had enough training spots for its own grads, let alone those of other countries. But I think this is starting to change. To be considered, you'd need to write a sort of entrance exam to the specialty of your choice and that, combined with your grades during your clinical training at Charles would be used to decide if you made it into the program. As far as I know, you'd be treated exactly like a Belgian medical graduate.

Of the countries I've mentioned, the UK's specialty training might be the most accessible to you.
 
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