Charting the Outcomes 2020 is Out!

[slowthai]

Woooo! Let's go!!

Link: Main Residency Match Data and Reports - The Match, National Resident Matching Program

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[slowthai]

Interestingly, derm, CT (I6), and IR were among the specialties that had the highest amount of people applying with backups. A strong majority (80%+) of ortho, nsg, PRS, and ENT applicants applied without a backup. I was surprised to find plastics as part of that group. I thought most applied with a backup. That's crazy.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Psych getting more competitive again.

 

[Splenda88]

https://mk0nrmp3oyqui6wqfm.kinstacdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Charting-Outcomes-in-the-Match-2020_MD-Senior_final.pdf

 

[Splenda88]

Psych getting more competitive again.

Not a surprise...

 

[Splenda88]

I don't get why neurology is not a competitive specialty...

Salary $300k+, average lifestyle and you are a specialist in only 4-yr

 

[slowthai]

I don't get why neurology is not a competitive specialty...

Salary $300k+, average lifestyle and you are a specialist in only 4-yr

How many people in your class even liked the neuro module? Like zero, lol

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

How many people in your class even liked the neuro module? Like zero, lol

Neuro was like our most popular module.

 

[slowthai]

Neuro was like our most popular module.

Wow, that's a major surprise. Most people I know hate it. I don't hate it, but I find it annoying. Only ones I truly hate are embryo and genetics

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Wow, that's a major surprise. Most people I know hate it. I don't hate it, but I find it annoying. Only ones I truly hate are embryo and genetics

Our curriculum is taught mostly by MDs and an MD created the overall curriculum. The way they taught the module was very cool and made the subject very accessible. That’s probably why people liked it so much.

 

[OnePunchBiopsy]

General Surgery Step 1 scores going up. I would focus more on Step 2 score stats with all this pass/fail stuff going on.

 

[Splenda88]

Only one US senior did not match Radonc and that person has 256/260 step 1/2 respectively. Ranked only 1 program. Lol

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Ranked only 1 program.

Well there’s yer problem.

 

[Splenda88]

How many people in your class even liked the neuro module? Like zero, lol

I agree. I was between neuro, rad and IM. Neuro module scared me.

Only three people in my class applied neuro and all of them matched into good programs, and one of them had very low score.

 

[redsox93]

Rads matched number of research experiences was less than their unmatched haha good news for me

 

[InterventionalSpacePsych]

Psych getting more competitive again.

Is it much more competitive than last year?

 

[IMGASMD]

Where is the lesion?
Great you figured it out.
Unfortunately, not much can be done now.

True story of neuro.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Is it much more competitive than last year?

I don’t know if it’s much more, but definitely at least a little more than last year.

 

[eyejust]

HALLELUJAH

 

[greentealeaves]

What metrics do you guys focus on in this document for the specialty of your choice?

 

[Candidate2017]

I don't get why neurology is not a competitive specialty...

Salary $300k+, average lifestyle and you are a specialist in only 4-yr

Neuro residents usually work the most hours out of any non-surgical specialty. Nonstop work, sunrise to sunset. I came closest to breaking duty hours on inpt neuro. In addition to seeing actual neuro patients, every syncope, dizziness, headache, general weakness, confused, malingering, "seizure" etc patient gets a neuro consult. Then there is the stroke pager that never stops. Contrast this to IM, where I was often able to peace out at 2 or 3 PM.

 

[Candidate2017]

Psych getting more competitive again.

Not really, 61.2% of US seniors took psych spots. Similar to peds.

 

[Prehealth1011]

Not really, 61.2% of US seniors took psych spots. Similar to peds.

Yeah Psyc looks more or less the same to me. Your odds don't change much jumping between different step 1 score ranges. It just shows Psyc is more "selective" towards students committed to the field than "competitive".

 

[aaronrodgers]

What metrics do you guys focus on in this document for the specialty of your choice?

Me personally, I just look at Step 1, research productivity, and the ratio of students applying vs available positions

 

[bigfootisreal]

Looks like Anesthesiology became more competitive.

How do you figure?

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Not really, 61.2% of US seniors took psych spots. Similar to peds.

I meant relative to itself, but even then not a super big change.

 

[Prehealth1011]

How do you figure?

You were a shoe-in with a 220+ before. You aren't anymore. Comparing old vs new. For DOs at least. Not sure how it is in the MD world.

 

[slowthai]

Our curriculum is taught mostly by MDs and an MD created the overall curriculum. The way they taught the module was very cool and made the subject very accessible. That’s probably why people liked it so much.

Aha, I figured. Seems like your school did it right as far as preclinicals go.

 

[slowthai]

Rads matched number of research experiences was less than their unmatched haha good news for me

Someone recently said that a ton of people are applying rads this year. Can you confirm?

 

[redsox93]

Someone recently said that a ton of people are applying rads this year. Can you confirm?

Seems that way from SDN but only 2 other people in my class are so who knows.

 

[Cath Up]

This is a mess

 

[InterventionalSpacePsych]

Seems that way from SDN but only 2 other people in my class are so who knows.

0 from mine

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

The DO numbers are better than I was expecting across the spectrum, with the exception of NS and Plastics lol (which were brutal).

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

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This is a mess

Not really. It's hard to really see what the driver is with the lower match rate in the 230s than 220s, but stuff like this can be explained by the crappy advising at DO schools. I know too many applicants at my school with terrible strategies, who would probably match if they approached the process differently.

 

[Cath Up]

Not really. It's hard to really see what the driver is with the lower match rate in the 230s than 220s, but stuff like this can be explained by the crappy advising at DO schools. I know too many applicants at my school with terrible strategies, who would probably match if they approached the process differently.

It's not distributed as normally as most other specialties that are about as competitive as it is = messy in my book. Obviously something else has to be going on to explain the higher/not declining unmatched proportions at higher scores.

 

[DrStephenStrange]

I agree. I was between neuro, rad and IM. Neuro module scared me.

Only three people in my class applied neuro and all of them matched into good programs, and one of them had very low score.

I'm actually pretty interested in neuro, and I'm between neuro and IM, but neuro scares me a little. I heard it's also one of the most grueling residency programs, so I am going to have to rotate in it at a few places to see how I like it.

 

[Splenda88]

Not really. It's hard to really see what the driver is with the lower match rate in the 230s than 220s, but stuff like this can be explained by the crappy advising at DO schools. I know too many applicants at my school with terrible strategies, who would probably match if they approached the process differently.

I would not put that on school advising... You are soon-to-be a physician so do you want someone who probably has not even been thru this process to tell you how to strategize for the match?

 

[Splenda88]

I'm actually pretty interested in neuro, and I'm between neuro and IM, but neuro scares me a little. I heard it's also one of the most grueling residency programs, so I am going to have to rotate in it at a few places to see how I like it.

It's only 4-yr...

I probably would choose neuro if I had to do it again. I like taking care of IM patient, but hate dealing with social issues which a big part of IM.

 

[DrStephenStrange]

It's only 4-yr...

I probably would choose neuro if I had to do it again. I like taking care of IM patient, but hate dealing with social issues which a big part of IM.

Thanks for the insight. I will have to make up my mind in the next year or so. Hopefully, whatever decision I make, I won't regret it lol.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

It's not distributed as normally as most other specialties that are about as competitive as it is = messy in my book. Obviously something else has to be going on to explain the higher/not declining unmatched proportions at higher scores.

looks pretty normal to me

 

[Chibucks15]

Thanks for the insight. I will have to make up my mine in the next year or so. Hopefully, whatever decision I make, I won't regret it lol.

I’m applying neuro if ya wanna bounce off ideas on it

 

[Splenda88]

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This is a mess

OBGyn has disproportionate # of applicants per spot... It's a semi mess for MD applicants as well.

It's OBGyn...One of the worse specialties in term of lifestyle... Why does it have so many applicants?

Anyway, I met one the other day in the physician's lounge that told me OBGyn hospitalist is taking off now... higher salary with better lifestyle.

 

[EmilKraepelin55]

I'm actually pretty interested in neuro, and I'm between neuro and IM, but neuro scares me a little. I heard it's also one of the most grueling residency programs, so I am going to have to rotate in it at a few places to see how I like it.

I hear you. With all the good that seems to come with neuro, there are a lot of concerns regarding residency that make me think twice sometimes. I primarily want to do it because I love the inherent complexity and the unknowns of the NS, and being able to use a wide knowledge of that system to Dx and Tx really seems to fill the shoes of what I envision a specialist to be. That, and there is a lot of micromanaging details. And I am the king of that lol. But the long hours and frivolous consults do make me think “well...maybe psych?” Lol! But of course, there is that big part of me that doesn’t want to lose my stethoscope, reflex hammer, and ophthalmoscope. So there’s that. Plus, definitely shouldn’t just choose a specialty because the hours are luxurious either. Looking forward to figuring that out this year.

 

[DrStephenStrange]

I’m applying neuro if ya wanna bounce off ideas on it

I've actually been stalking your posts lately lol. I will keep you in mind next year for sure.

 

[DrStephenStrange]

I hear you. With all the good that seems to come with neuro, there are a lot of concerns regarding residency that make me think twice sometimes. I primarily want to do it because I love the inherent complexity and the unknowns of the NS, and being able to use a wide knowledge of that system to Dx and Tx really seems to fill the shoes of what I envision a specialist to be. That, and there is a lot of micromanaging details. And I am the king of that lol. But the long hours and frivolous consults do make me think “well...maybe psych?” Lol! But of course, there is that big part of me that doesn’t want to lose my stethoscope, reflex hammer, and ophthalmoscope. So there’s that. Plus, definitely shouldn’t just choose a specialty because the hours are luxurious either. Looking forward to figuring that out this year.

Exactly!!! I like the positive aspects of it, and from what I've seen, I like the clinical aspects of it too, but the negatives (grueling residency, burn out rate, consults, ect...) just scare me a little, and don't wanna go in it and find out that I really hate it lol.

 

[Taddy Mason]

....and frivolous consults do make me think “well...maybe psych?”....

Psych is the last thing you should consider if frivolous consults are a turnoff.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

I would not put that on school advising... You are soon-to-be a physician so do you want someone who probably has not even been thru this process to tell you how to strategize for the match?

Me? Never. But as a DO student myself I can straight up tell you that far too many DO students listen to the straight garbage advice given to them by their schools.

 

[ciestar]

I would not put that on school advising... You are soon-to-be a physician so do you want someone who probably has not even been thru this process to tell you how to strategize for the match?

My school used actual physician advisors in the specialty you were applying to

 

[ciestar]

Psych is the last thing you should consider if frivolous consults are a turnoff.

I learned this day one of my psych rotation

 

[deleted600623]

So we all know how competitive (or not competitive) IM is but what about for the top 20 programs. Are there resources with stats on specific programs?