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I just wanted to ask current medical school students the following question. I would like to go into a competitive residency such as opthamology or dermatology and eventually want to open up my own private practice. My question is: Would it really mater weather I go to Drexel (Currently accepted) as compared to Georgetown , Stony Brook or Upstate (all waitlisted)? I tried doing a search but I am still a little muddled.
 

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If you put yourself in a position such as to not have to depend on the coattails of your school, it won't make a difference where you go. Will the name of the school open more doors if you are a less than stellar applicant? Probably, but you shouldn't think like that. Go where you felt most comfortable during your interviews and nine times out of ten you will do better in school, thus offsetting the benefit offered by a big name on your diploma.

As an aside, how do you already know those are the two fields of medicine that interest you the most? The only thing they really have in common over any of the other branches of medicine is lifestyle...
 

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As an aside, how do you already know those are the two fields of medicine that interest you the most? The only thing they really have in common over any of the other branches of medicine is lifestyle...
I think you answered your own question...
 
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Well originally i was very interested in opthamology but i just put dermatology in there to add to the idea of "Competitive" residency. My ultimate question was, just in case if I do go into a really competitive one, can the school name hinder my chances for achieving them. I know it sounded like it was a lifestlyle question but I really did not mean for it to come off like that.
 

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Not to be an ass, but we all know that ophthamology is a competitive residency and we didn't need the derm signpost to figure out your question. What it made you look like is someone who isn't even in medical school who is going into the profession looking for a quick road to easy cash. Had you said ophtho we would have thought "maybe this person is interested in eyes" or "maybe this person's parent is an ophthamologist and they know the business" or whatever your real reason for being interested in ophthamology might be. However, adding derm cheapened your request for information because it made you look like a cash-seeking kid looking to find the easy road to a competitive residency by going to a big name school. I'm not saying that is what you are, I'm just saying that is how it could come across.

To reanswer your question, if you work hard, have good grades and are a good person, you can match into any residency from any school, bottom line, and that is all that should concern you.
 

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Would it really mater weather I go to Drexel (Currently accepted) as compared to Georgetown , Stony Brook or Upstate (all waitlisted)?
Short answer: No.

Long answer: Perhaps, but you'll never really know the difference.

Unless I'm missing the boat here, I believe that Drexel, Georgetown, Stony Brook and Upstate all fall into that huge pile of medschools that is within two standard deviations of the mean. In other words, in terms of name, you're not going to significantly step up or step down between any of them.

In any case, name is one of the most minor factors in the resident selection process. If you wanted to be a Department Chair, then sure, I'd say you better go to Harvard. Aside from that, going to a place where you are comfortable and will succeed academically is your best bet.
 

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SocialistMD said:
Not to be an ass, but we all know that ophthamology is a competitive residency and we didn't need the derm signpost to figure out your question. What it made you look like is someone who isn't even in medical school who is going into the profession looking for a quick road to easy cash. Had you said ophtho we would have thought "maybe this person is interested in eyes" or "maybe this person's parent is an ophthamologist and they know the business" or whatever your real reason for being interested in ophthamology might be. However, adding derm cheapened your request for information because it made you look like a cash-seeking kid looking to find the easy road to a competitive residency by going to a big name school. I'm not saying that is what you are, I'm just saying that is how it could come across.

I agree, you do sort of come off like this. How do u already know what field you want to go into? You haven’t even been properly exposed to the other specialties. You may find later on that your not really interested in Optho/Derm or more interested in other fields, kinda like me. I was interested in Rads before med school because that’s all I was exposed to… but not anymore. Things changed a lot after a couple years of school. I personally find that money/lifestyle come second to interest. I don’t care how hard/low paying a particular specialty is… I think I’d be much worse off doing something I really didn’t enjoy doing.

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To reanswer your question, if you work hard, have good grades and are a good person, you can match into any residency from any school, bottom line, and that is all that should concern you.
I second that
 

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Not to be an ass, but we all know that ophthamology is a competitive residency and we didn't need the derm signpost to figure out your question. What it made you look like is someone who isn't even in medical school who is going into the profession looking for a quick road to easy cash. Had you said ophtho we would have thought "maybe this person is interested in eyes" or "maybe this person's parent is an ophthamologist and they know the business" or whatever your real reason for being interested in ophthamology might be. However, adding derm cheapened your request for information because it made you look like a cash-seeking kid looking to find the easy road to a competitive residency by going to a big name school. I'm not saying that is what you are, I'm just saying that is how it could come across.

To reanswer your question, if you work hard, have good grades and are a good person, you can match into any residency from any school, bottom line, and that is all that should concern you.
i think the OP is going to have a fun time trying to match into derm.

Think top 5 in class, and better than 240 board... and that makes you average. i'd start studying now.
 

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oh you guys dont need to come down so hard on the op. he/she is asking a very fair question. lots of people go into med school knowing they want to do a competitive residency. in fact if you wanna match in something like derm, you almost have to know early otherwise you wont get involved with a publishable research project early enough, wont get top grades from the get-go, etc.

as a 4th year currently in the match process, i can tell you school name certainly does play a role in residency selection. not as big a role as usmle score, grades, etc. but you can be rest assured an average applicant from a top 10 school will have a leg up on an average applicant from no-name school of medicine.

that said, none of the schools you mentioned would give an advantage over the other. they are all lower tier schools. so pick by geography or financial aid factors. or if you know you wanna do residency in philly or dc or upstate ny etc. pick the school in that local area.
 

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wont get top grades from the get-go, etc.
why not? many of the top performers in my class were undecided about specialty for some time. heck, one of our AOAers was on the fence between optho and medicine three days before the early match deadline.

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as a 4th year currently in the match process, i can tell you school name certainly does play a role in residency selection. not as big a role as usmle score, grades, etc. but you can be rest assured an average applicant from a top 10 school will have a leg up on an average applicant from no-name school of medicine.
as another 4th year currently in the match process, i can tell you that no one has ever argued that, all else being equal, the bigger name school won't trump the smaller name school. most often this discussion, which has been beaten to absolute death on these forums, is played out as "average student from top school vs. top student from average school."
 

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as another 4th year currently in the match process, i can tell you that no one has ever argued that, all else being equal, the bigger name school won't trump the smaller name school.
Are you sure about this? I interviewed at several top programs where I was the only student from a non-top 15 medical school. I highly suspect they all didn't have better applications than my classmates who were declined interviews by the same programs. It may be a factor of who writes your letters at the powerhouse programs rather than how gushing they are, but that is a perk of going to a top-tier program; people know your letter writers. If applicant A has a letter from Dr. Joe Surgeon that says "applicant A is the greatest thing since sliced bread," it won't carry nearly as much weight as the same sort of letter from Wash U's Dr. Steven Strasberg, president of the AHPBA. You may say that the applications are still unequal, but then I say your hypothetical world of all else being equal is an impossibility.
 

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well here's my two cents...no one tells you when you apply to medical school that your ultimate goal when you graduate is not to become a doctor...but to get into a residency. Having applied for a residency position (and matched) I can say that though coming from a big name school is no guarantee of success and is not an excuse to slack off and do poorly, the name of your school does matter. The reason it matters is because the name of the school is usually built upon the faculty that staff it. And these same faculty are the ones who will write your letters of recommendation. In smaller fields such as the surgical subspecialties (ophthalmology is one of these), name recognition is huge and coming from a big program with recognized names is worth a great deal. Having said this, going to a smaller, less well known school is not a death sentence when it comes to competitive residencies. But, even if the advantage of going to a recognized name school is only a few percentage points when applying to residency, wouldn't you want those few percentage points on your side?

Of course all of the programs mentioned in the original post are about the same caliber as far as I can tell so I would just pick the one you liked the best.

As a side note, I was afraid that the school I attended would be full of cutthroat gunners because it attracts top candidates. I found this to be untrue. Don't believe any rumors you hear from other people. Especially lazy fourth years who have no idea what's going on anymore (that means this post).
 

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but then I say your hypothetical world of all else being equal is an impossibility.
Oh, it's not my hypothetical world. The notion of two applications being judged identical except for the institution is an obvious farce. I just thought that one aspect of Scootad's post needed to be addressed.

No one with a breath of intellectual honesty will say that comparable letters from Joe Surgeon and Steven Strasberg will carry the same weight.

But what about Joe Surgeon vs. Mike Surgeon? Watson vs. Crick?
 

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Oh, it's not my hypothetical world. The notion of two applications being judged identical except for the institution is an obvious farce. I just thought that one aspect of Scootad's post needed to be addressed.

No one with a breath of intellectual honesty will say that comparable letters from Joe Surgeon and Steven Strasberg will carry the same weight.

But what about Joe Surgeon vs. Mike Surgeon? Watson vs. Crick?

C'mon.. watson carries so much more weight than crick.. Theres not even a comparison
 

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C'mon.. watson carries so much more weight than crick.. Theres not even a comparison
I beg to differ. I think a letter from Crick would be MUCH more impressive, since he's dead and all.
 

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Just Applied said:
I just wanted to ask current medical school students the following question. I would like to go into a competitive residency such as opthamology or dermatology and eventually want to open up my own private practice. My question is: Would it really mater weather I go to Drexel (Currently accepted) as compared to Georgetown , Stony Brook or Upstate (all waitlisted)? I tried doing a search but I am still a little muddled.
Have you looked at the match lists for those schools?

I would generally try to be more useful, but Im kinda annoyed by your attitude.
And to be honest, the university reputations for the schools you listed wont be a boost in any case.
 

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Just Applied said:
I just wanted to ask current medical school students the following question. I would like to go into a competitive residency such as opthamology or dermatology and eventually want to open up my own private practice. My question is: Would it really mater weather I go to Drexel (Currently accepted) as compared to Georgetown , Stony Brook or Upstate (all waitlisted)? I tried doing a search but I am still a little muddled.
go to the cheapest school, and use the money u save to buy alot of review books and u should be fine. I cant say that for derm (u might wanna look at the match list) but ophtho can be achieved from any of those schools if u do really well (good grades, USMLE, research, etc...

Listen to the MS4s, my advice is just based on some of my buddies that matched ophtho from my med school which is not in the top 50. Im sure the name helps, but does it help to the extent where u are paying 50-130K extra? Thats what u gotta decide. IMO, I would go to the cheapest school, u can make gold out of any situation if u hustle. (just get good grades, meet some opthos at ur school and work for them and u are straight)
 

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IMO, I would go to the cheapest school, u can make gold out of any situation if u hustle. (just get good grades, meet some opthos at ur school and work for them and u are straight)
I second that - you can get into Ophthalmology from any school if you are a great candidate and can demonstrate honest commitment. However, you have to be very savvy about it if your goal is to get into a top 10 program - that takes a lot of time and some serious connections. Fortunately, there are very few bad Ophthy programs out there, so you shouldn't fret about not getting into a top 10 program.

If you wanna get into derm, just find which school with a bigwig in derm or dermpath so you can buddy up and do research with them as soon as you start.
 

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i agree about going to the cheapest for optho. optho really isnt that competitive anymore. as far as derm is concerned, id be a bit more cautious.
 
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I dont know what kind of attitude I am giving off, but I was trying to ask a simple question. I think you people may need a little more sun in your life or something but I don't think there is anything wrong with trying to achieve the best. And yes maybe I am naive and that was a naive question but the only way to get rid of my naivety is to get answers, and that was all I was doing.
 

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first off, it's ophthalmology. fyi, just spelling it right on your residency apps puts you in the upper half of applicants. this is like the 20th message in this thread and no one has spelled it right.

second, you need to do your own research about the respective departments in each school. for derm, there are few hard and fast rules, but people will tend to match at their own program or places they did an away at. when small programs take some one from outside their own, it's inevitably from a top 20 med school. check out this notorious website if you are really serious about derm and follow a few links to the match lists for the last three years:

http://p204.ezboard.com/fdermatologyfrm22

good luck
 

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ForSkin said:
this is like the 20th message in this thread and no one has spelled it right.
Actually, bigballs got it right in post #12. You know, FYI.
 

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Where do you find rankings for US med schools?
Is it just the US News and World Report article?
I don't think it is possible to develop a useful ranking system for all med schools. There is the upper crust, such as Harvard or Hopkins, and there is the lower crust, which will go unnamed. In between there is just a mishmash of schools that each have advantages and disadvantages.