Christian Medical Schools

[jlee9531]

Originally posted by link26
are all christians goody 2 shoes?

do christian women get down and dirty in bed? are bj's sinful?

pardon my ignorance. I've got this stereotype stuck in my head...

i shouldnt be laughing because i do have the faith but....damn
that was just hella funny man.

but no comment. find out yourself bro haha

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[DrBodacious]

Originally posted by link26
are all christians goody 2 shoes?

do christian women get down and dirty in bed? are bj's sinful?

pardon my ignorance. I've got this stereotype stuck in my head...

BJ's are illegal in many states, virgina for example. My guess is that they are sinful but dunno.

 

[jlee9531]

Originally posted by DrBodacious
BJ's are illegal in many states, virgina for example. My guess is that they are sinful but dunno.

whoa....you pullin my chain?

they have legislation on this??

 

[DrBodacious]

Jlee,

no bull, but it's not like the law ever get's enforced. Just an old law that noone wants to deal with as far as dismissing it.

 

[calebho501]

Originally posted by jlee9531
whoa....you pullin my chain?

they have legislation on this??

Not all states are as liberal as California

Ok Don't get pissed at me, I know that's not necessarily true

 

[greggth]

"All forms of sexual expression and conduct between heterosexuals outside of marriage, or between homosexuals, are contrary to the ideals of the University and will result in disciplinary action."

Originally posted by davidw11
I don't see your point. Every christian(mennonite) school I have looked into has these same rules. Those are what the school believes, and you must live with it. For example, the school I looked at disallows pre-maritial sex, beer, smoking, drugs, "alt" lifestyles, etc. And that is extremely true for on-campus, but also applies off campus. If you are found to be having sex or partying off campus, you will be asked to leave(and/or expelled).
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The way the rule reads, it says that all homosexual behavior is against school rules, and students practicing homosexual behavior will be subject to disciplinary action.

There are two issues here. One is whether homosexuality is sinful. I believe it is not. There is evidence that in at least some cases, homosexuality is not a choice but seems to be innate: homosexual feelings can appear at a young age and there may be a neuroanatomical difference between gay men and straights (LeVay).

The other issue is about sexual intercourse outside of marriage. The Loma Linda policy would not be such a problem if it allowed homosexuals who were married to each other or were partners in a "civil union" to have sex. But it seems to ban ALL homosexual activity. I think a school has the right to regulate behavior, and even sexual behavior, but it is wrong for a school to allow sexual-behavior-with-the-partner-of-the-preferred-sex for one group (heterosexuals) and ban it for another group (homosexuals).

So, in my opinion the policy is a bad policy.

The next logical question is whether, regardless of whether the policy is good or bad, Loma Linda has the right to enforce such a policy. Do they have the right to discipline homosexual students who practice homosexual behavior?

Loma Linda claims that their reason for this policy is that it upholds "God's ideal for sexuality" (direct quote). Therefore, if Loma Linda has the right to do this, then they probably have the right to regulate other behaviors that have to do with "God's ideals." Correct me if I am wrong, but one of God's ideals, according to them, is probably that every person should believe in God (as it says in the Ten Commandments, and they do believe that the Bible is "the written word of God") and Jesus. So do they have the right to discipline students who they judge to be acting in a blasphemous manner (such as, for example, putting a Christian cross in urine, as the artist Robert Mapplethorpe did)? Do they have the right to discipline Muslim students who practice Islam? How about Wiccan students? Satan-worshippers?

Since Loma Linda almost certainly receives federal funding from the US government, they should have to follow certain guidelines. One of these guidelines is that people should be free to practice any religion, and another, which is in the American tradition of liberty, although not yet in the American mainstream, is that people should be able to have sex with the person they choose, whether that person be male or female, and to marry that person.

 

[davidw11]

I'd love for you to prove how drinking is wrong.

Please, I could give so many references the server might crash...wouldn't want that to happen Again, I think it comes down to what denomination you are also. If I surveyed members from different denominations, I think you would see a pattern emerge. Not to diss any one, but look at how many celebs, singers, pedofiles etc, all claim to be catholics. (please don't mistake what I'm trying to say here. Otherwise you'll end up posting stuff in anger).

How many of those claim to be of conservative denominations? Come on...mobsters go to church every sunday, and I saw statistics where they were all catholic. Going to church I think makes up 1% at most of being a Christian. I can't count how many people claim to be christians.

There are two issues here. One is whether homosexuality is sinful. I believe it is not.

Just read my paragraph above, everything basically applies to this question as well. Catholics who "claim" to be against homosexuality but yet appoint cardinals and high ranking officials that are openly gay. What's with that? I guess their whole "thoughts don't hurt anything" motto works for them.

Last time I remember reading in the bible, thoughts were as equal as actions. Being angry at someone is the same as killing them. Lusting(mentally) at someone is the same as having sex with them out of marriage.

If you don't believe it's wrong, answer this. Do you believe(not against) smoking, drinking, pre-maritial sex, swearing?

but I do have a degree in religious studies. Maybe you should actually find out about these things before you denigrate other religions based on what you've "heard."

I did find out about these things. I didn't say they are happening now, but in the past. If the pope wanted it to happen, he could make it so. I don't know about you, but I would never take part in a denomination where rules can change in a moments notice. If the pope says homesexuality is not wrong, then it won't. I prefer to take the bibles word, which doesn't change.

You may have a degree in religious studies, but what does that prove. Someone that has a MD and PHD in biology that tells me that the world was made in 4.5 Billion years seems as intelligent as a monkey(it would fit his theory well...since that's where we came from ).

 

[HollyJ]

Originally posted by davidw11
Please, I could give so many references the server might crash...wouldn't want that to happen

One will do. Nice try, though -- that's the weakest dodge I've ever seen.

Just read my paragraph above, everything basically applies to this question as well. Catholics who "claim" to be against homosexuality but yet appoint cardinals and high ranking officials that are openly gay. What's with that? I guess their whole "thoughts don't hurt anything" motto works for them.

Again, nice try. You're thinking of Episcopalians, not Catholics. And they just appointed their first openly gay bishop. And officially, they don't "claim" to be against homosexuality. Get your facts straight before you speak.

I did find out about these things. I didn't say they are happening now, but in the past. If the pope wanted it to happen, he could make it so. I don't know about you, but I would never take part in a denomination where rules can change in a moments notice. If the pope says homesexuality is not wrong, then it won't. I prefer to take the bibles word, which doesn't change.

See, that's the tricky thing about not knowing anything. The pope never sanctioned indulgences, they just became standard practice. As for the Bible not changing, I would suggest that you read it in the original languages to see just how much it has changed.

You may have a degree in religious studies, but what does that prove. Someone that has a MD and PHD in biology that tells me that the world was made in 4.5 Billion years seems as intelligent as a monkey(it would fit his theory well...since that's where we came from ).

Thanks for arguing against yourself more effectively than I could possibly hope to.

Seriously, though, you might want to check your judgmental, know-everything-about-everything act at the door before you head to college. You're in for a rude awakening.

 

[periodista]

dude. lighten up on the catholics already.

 

[davidw11]

One will do. Nice try, though -- that's the weakest dodge I've ever seen.

Can I recommend you go to http://www.av1611.org/ . It's a very good site that is very informative. They talk about the NIV Perversions...(you may call it a "version" ) , rock music, christian music, and other evils. You'd be surprised how many secular christian singers there are.

Hmm...some alcohol things? What reasons do you want me to give? It says countless times in the bible "no drunk will inherit the kingdom of god". Is there a better statement then that for my reason? Oh...but what if you don't get drunk? It also says countless times that a drinker is a fool. Not to mention, you shouldn't do anything that would lead someone else into doing it.

PS: I haven't had time to read it fully, but from what I read it shows some good examples. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Bridge/2169/alcohol.htm

Again, nice try. You're thinking of Episcopalians, not Catholics.

They're all related together. Read any article about the gay bishop thing and in almost all stories they will have the word catholic in it. My point is not against catholics, just "liberal" denominations where anything goes. Heck, would I love to believe that!

On a non-religion based thing, read this:


Alcohol is associated with most crime; it is involved in 70% of all murders, 41% of assaults, 50% of rapes, 60% of sex crimes against children, 56% of fights and assaults in homes, 37% of suicides and 55% of all arrests.

Hmm....good reasons not to be associated with alcohol, wouldn't you say? Alcohols not just bad in religious sense.

 

[davidw11]

lighten up on the catholics already.

This has absolutely nothing to do with catholics!!! Man...this is the most hostile forum I've ever been at. Nobody seems to be understanding what I'm trying to say. Maybe you old people are just out of touch with younger people

 

[musiclink213]

Originally posted by davidw11
Last time I remember reading in the bible, thoughts were as equal as actions. Being angry at someone is the same as killing them. Lusting(mentally) at someone is the same as having sex with them out of marriage.

If you don't believe it's wrong, answer this. Do you believe(not against) smoking, drinking, pre-maritial sex, swearing?

actually, no where in the bible does it say that pre-marital sex is sinful, we've had many debates about whether or not it is a sin

 

[HollyJ]

Originally posted by davidw11
Can I recommend you go to http://www.av1611.org/ . It's a very good site that is very informative. They talk about the NIV Perversions...(you may call it a "version" ) , rock music, christian music, and other evils. You'd be surprised how many secular christian singers there are.

Thanks, but I don't use the NIV. As a matter of fact, I don't know any serious religious scholar who does. I'm a little unclear about why you posted this at all. What are you using?

Hmm...some alcohol things? What reasons do you want me to give? It says countless times in the bible "no drunk will inherit the kingdom of god". Is there a better statement then that for my reason? Oh...but what if you don't get drunk? It also says countless times that a drinker is a fool. Not to mention, you shouldn't do anything that would lead someone else into doing it.

I'll need a reference there, cowboy. The Bible's a big old book. Just because you've heard that it says something doesn't mean that it does or that you know the context. Either find it so we can talk about it or quiet down.

I would remind you that Jesus's very first miracle was turning water into wine. Not exactly a ringing condemnation of alcohol.

I don't really care whether you think drinking is wrong or not. That is entirely your prerogative. But don't even think about making fun of other people's beliefs (not eating pork, for example, which has a ton of biblical support, or going to church on Saturday) like your beliefs are iron-clad.

They're all related together. Read any article about the gay bishop thing and in almost all stories they will have the word catholic in it. My point is not against catholics, just "liberal" denominations where anything goes. Heck, would I love to believe that!

BWAH ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. No, they're not. The're not even remotely the same, and I very much doubt that news articles about the Episcopalian church mention Catholics at all. As a point of fact, Episcopalians split off from the Catholic Church in 1534, which is only 9 years after your church split.

Alcohol is associated with most crime; it is involved in 70% of all murders, 41% of assaults, 50% of rapes, 60% of sex crimes against children, 56% of fights and assaults in homes, 37% of suicides and 55% of all arrests.

Hmm....good reasons not to be associated with alcohol, wouldn't you say? Alcohols not just bad in religious sense.

Actually, according to the Department of Justice statistics page, alcohol was involved in 30% of all violent crimes, which isn't really most. Don't you even google these things before you just regurgitate them?

Anyway, I'm going to stop with this now. It's not really fair, and I don't want to bully you. But please, really, try to get over this.

 

[HollyJ]

Originally posted by musiclink213
actually, no where in the bible does it say that pre-marital sex is sinful, we've had many debates about whether or not it is a sin

Well. it talks a whole lot about fornication, which includes (but is not limited to) premarital sex. On the other hand, the Bible says a lot of things.

 

[davidw11]

actually, no where in the bible does it say that pre-marital sex is sinful, we've had many debates about whether or not it is a sin

Here's an article that covers all sexual sins:

http://www.parentalguide.com/Documents/Pornography_homosexuality_is_sin.htm

Here's a few quotes taken about homosexuality:

Lev 18:22-THOU SHALT NOT LIE WITH MANKIND, AS WITH WOMANKIND: IT IS ABOMINATION.
Lev 18:22-"'DO NOT LIE WITH A MAN AS ONE LIES WITH A WOMAN; THAT IS DETESTABLE ."
Lev 20:13-"'IF A MAN LIES WITH A MAN AS ONE LIES WITH A WOMAN, BOTH OF THEM HAVE DONE WHAT IS DETESTABLE. THEY MUST BE PUT TO DEATH; THEIR BLOOD WILL BE ON THEIR OWN HEADS."

And that's just a few quotes. I don't know any other way to take those.

According to a quick search on the word, the bible mentions the word alcohol 77 times. I don't have time now, but I"ll go through it later.

Don't you even google these things before you just regurgitate them?

Why google it? Where are you getting your statistics? I got mine from a good site. In fact, I just copy and pasted it. Maybe your source is wrong Ever think to google it yourself?

 

[HollyJ]

Originally posted by davidw11
According to a quick search on the word, the bible mentions the word alcohol 77 times. I don't have time now, but I"ll go through it later.

The Bible mentions the word sheep 179 times. That doesn't mean that God is against them. It also mentions money 123 times, and according to your other posts, you have no problem with that at all.

Also, once again with the water-into-wine thing. Are you suggesting that Jesus led people into sin?

Why google it? Where are you getting your statistics? I got mine from a good site. In fact, I just copy and pasted it. Maybe your source is wrong Ever think to google it yourself?

As I said above, I got my statistic from the Department of Justice. In other words, the people who actually collect the statistics on crime.

 

[davidw11]

It's a conspiracy I tell you...the Department of Justice wants people to drink

Ok, seriously, I said it is mentioned 77 times not as evidence, but if you would have read past that, I said I don't have time to go through it all right at the moment. I didn't say every mention of alchohol is support of my thought.

Ok...water into wine thing? That has got to be the #1 argument of drinkers. They always go to that passage first. Why not read the website links I gave you, they explain that in depth. Basically, the word "wine" in the bible doesn't stand for alcohol. It also stands for grape juice, which would contain NO alcohol. Thus, I believe they were drinking non-alcoholic beverage.

 

[ATPase]

Wow, this thread is still going on?? Can't we all just agree to disagree here on religion?? To each his own...

 

[HollyJ]

Originally posted by davidw11
Ok...water into wine thing? That has got to be the #1 argument of drinkers. They always go to that passage first. Why not read the website links I gave you, they explain that in depth. Basically, the word "wine" in the bible doesn't stand for alcohol. It also stands for grape juice, which would contain NO alcohol. Thus, I believe they were drinking non-alcoholic beverage.

Yeah, people bring it up because it's a passage in which the Son of God decides to make an alcoholic beverage for his very first miracle. Weird that people use it to argue that drinking is not actually condemned by said God.

The old canard about wine being grape juice is 100% crap. As a biblical scholar, I can tell you that while wine was not as high in alcohol as it is today, it was definitely alcoholic. In John 2, which is the wedding at Canna story, the master of the feast gives the bridegroom crap for saving the good wine until everyone was too drunk to enjoy it. See also Genesis 9:21, 9:24, and 19:33, all of which dicuss getting drunk on wine. And that's just a sampling from the very first book.

Wow, this thread is still going on?? Can't we all just agree to disagree here on religion?? To each his own...

I'm with you, ATPase. I think that people should believe whatever they like. If people don't believe in drinking, they shouldn't drink. I have a fairly large problem with people who, like davidw11, trash other people's beliefs (see his comments on SVAs, Catholics, Episcopalians, et al), then proceed to tell us all his own unsupported beliefs as if they were incontrovertible. I think that's pretty hypocritical and wrong.

 

[davidw11]

then proceed to tell us all his own unsupported beliefs as if they were incontrovertible. I think that's pretty hypocritical and wrong.

Odd...isn't that called religion? Of course my views are 100% accurate. If they weren't, why would I believe them? If nobody had a set of views like yours, we'd all be alcoholics in AA meetings right now. Don't give me the "I don't get drunk when I drink" statement.

I guess next you're going to say smoking isn't wrong. Yeah it might not specifically mention these things, but it is covered throughout the bible. I'll assume you believe Jesus was all war and violence too...

Too many people are twisting the scriptures so they can live their lifestyle the way they want. Heck, I WISH I could do some of the things mentioned in the bible, but it would be sinning.

 

[HollyJ]

If nobody had a set of views like yours, we'd all be alcoholics in AA meetings right now. Don't give me the "I don't get drunk when I drink" statement.

Actually, I don't drink at all. It's my personal preference.

I'm now putting you on ignore, because I have better things to do. You're not fun to debate because you're not using any logic or rationality.

 

[ATPase]

davidw, I completely respect your views and I think your devotion to your faith is very admirable. I'm a Christian, but I'm guessing if you and I sat down and had a discussion, we'd have some vastly different views on things (other than the basic tenets that undergird Christianity). I have equal respect for people of other faiths. Religion is a very personal thing and each one of us has grown up in a different culture with different religious backgrounds and beliefs. We all might as well avoid being divisive and nitpicky. All this energy could be put to better use by focusing on the positive things we can do with these different religious traditions, all of which are strikingly similar in regard to their duties to feed the poor, care for the sick, and make this world a better place for EVERY single one of the people on this earth.

 

[Quickread]

Seriously, I would hope you all have better things to do than argue religion on a premed board where you don't know the people on the other side and chances are no matter what you say you won't change their opinion. I would have thought that people realized that rational argument about an essentially existential proposition like religion is moot. Let's move on to something we can do something constructive with.

 

[UCLAstudent]

Originally posted by ATPase
davidw, I completely respect your views and I think your devotion to your faith is very admirable. I'm a Christian, but I'm guessing if you and I sat down and had a discussion, we'd have some vastly different views on things (other than the basic tenets that undergird Christianity). I have equal respect for people of other faiths. Religion is a very personal thing and each one of us has grown up in a different culture with different religious backgrounds and beliefs. We all might as well avoid being divisive and nitpicky. All this energy could be put to better use by focusing on the positive things we can do with these different religious traditions, all of which are strikingly similar in regard to their duties to feed the poor, care for the sick, and make this world a better place for EVERY single one of the people on this earth.

I agree with this. I, too, am a Christian, and I think that this thread is really out of control.

 

[HollyJ]

I would have thought that people realized that rational argument about an essentially existential proposition like religion is moot.

Don't say that! My entire undergrad degree is based on the notion that you can be rational with religion. My world will crumble. . .

I agree with this. I, too, am a Christian, and I think that this thread is really out of control.

Agreed. I'm out now. Bye!

 

[ATPase]

Seriously, I would hope you all have better things to do than argue religion on a premed board where you don't know the people on the other side and chances are no matter what you say you won't change their opinion. I would have thought that people realized that rational argument about an essentially existential proposition like religion is moot. Let's move on to something we can do something constructive with.

Thank you! Let's kill this thread already!

 

[MeowMix]

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal." (1 Corinthians 13)

 

[init4damoney]

So.....how about them Lakers?

 

[davidw11]

So.....how about them Lakers?

That's the best post we had so far Lakers are my favorite team, and have always been. It's sort of a shame what's going on with Kobe right now, as that is definately going to impact the team. I don't think he did it...but I don't want to get into another endless debate!

Of course Shaq, Fox, and Kobe are my all time favorites. I liked Jordon when he was on the Bulls.

 

[CreoleMD]

well then...

 

[morning]

I was in high school when this thread was created

 

[searun]

are all christians goody 2 shoes?

do christian women get down and dirty in bed? are bj's sinful?

pardon my ignorance. I've got this stereotype stuck in my head...

I was reading a survey a couple of years ago, when George was the Pres, and apparently fundamentalist Christians, hard right Republicans, have alot more sex than the lefties, and the conservative guys get alot more bjs per week, than the Al Gore crowd, who rarely get any. Counterintuitive, I know,but if you are a bj kind of a guy, which most guys are, lets be honest, get a bible and start hanging out with the church girls.

And, for record, of course this thread was created during the Bush Administration. How is it going down there on the ranch, George? Wish you could cap the oil well in the gulf before the hurricanes arrive.

 

[muhali3]

I was reading a survey a couple of year ago, when George was the Pres, and apparently fundamentalist Christians, hard right Republicans, have alot more sex than the lefties, and the conservative guys get alot more bjs per week, than the Al Gore crowd, who rarely get any. Counterintuitive, I know,but if you are a bj kind of a guy, which most guys are, lets be honest, get a bible and start hanging out with the church girls.

And, for record, of course this thread was created during the Bush Administration. How is it going down there on the ranch, George? Wish you could cap the oil well in the gulf before the hurricanes arrive.

 

[oaklandguy]

Didn't realize how old this thread was, wow.

 

[taciturngirl]

I am all for reviving old, hilarious threads. more!

 

[morning]

I was reading a survey a couple of years ago, when George was the Pres, and apparently fundamentalist Christians, hard right Republicans, have alot more sex than the lefties, and the conservative guys get alot more bjs per week, than the Al Gore crowd, who rarely get any. Counterintuitive, I know,but if you are a bj kind of a guy, which most guys are, lets be honest, get a bible and start hanging out with the church girls.

And, for record, of course this thread was created during the Bush Administration. How is it going down there on the ranch, George? Wish you could cap the oil well in the gulf before the hurricanes arrive.

Lack of birth control might have something to do with the blowjob rate

 

[rockaction]

Wow, this davidw11 guy was off the hook. He posted Dial the Truth Ministries (http://www.av1611.org/) and Answers in Genesis in another thread.

I hope he's not a doctor now.