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There's a difference between suggesting someone apply broadly, and implying someone will not get into any of 6 medical schools (including 2 DO) when their LizzyM score would be competitive at all but 1 (Penn), provided they get at least a 31 on the MCAT.
 
I actually might agree with Bleargh on this one.. I know you're really smart geekchick, not many people can boast a 4.0 science gpa (good job!), but I really don't think anyone can bank on getting into 1 of 6 medical schools with utmost certainty.. These admission counselors use all sorts of factors that we often simply cannot predict, so no one can really guarantee anything.

Two of my friends right now are kicking themselves because they didn't apply to enough schools this cycle.

Either that, or like I said, maybe I'm just under-confident when it comes to medical school admissions.
 
Hi iv i missed you


edit: that's supposed to be all caps. but sdn doesn't like it.

I missed you too curbs 🙂

When i was coming back home tonight, I saw all these cute girls with short skirts getting ready to party it up on thurs night, and I honestly felt a little depressed lol. i told myself no partying this semester, but it's starting to take a toll on me..


edit: lmao, i just realized that you edited your statement to say it was supposed to be in all caps, when you prob could have edited it straight up, thanks for making me laugh haha
 
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I missed you too curbs 🙂

When i was coming back home tonight, I saw all these cute girls with short skirts getting ready to party it up on thurs night, and I honestly felt a little depressed lol. i told myself no partying this semester, but it's starting to take a toll on me..


edit: lmao, i just realized that you edited your statement to say it was supposed to be in all caps, when you prob could have edited it straight up, thanks for making me laugh haha

no partying at all? i'd be going crazy.
 
I actually might agree with Bleargh on this one.. I know you're really smart geekchick, not many people can boast a 4.0 science gpa (good job!), but I really don't think anyone can bank on getting into 1 of 6 medical schools with utmost certainty.. These admission counselors use all sorts of factors that we often simply cannot predict, so no one can really guarantee anything.

Two of my friends right now are kicking themselves because they didn't apply to enough schools this cycle.

Either that, or like I said, maybe I'm just under-confident when it comes to medical school admissions.
I get that, and like I said, it depends on what I get on the MCAT. It's also not so easy when you've got a family to consider as well. His attitude is unnecessary, regardless.
 
no partying at all? i'd be going crazy.

right, i feel more energized surprisingly though, but the time will come 👍

i make up for this, by blasting itunes in my ear after studying lol
 
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I get that, and like I said, it depends on what I get on the MCAT. It's also not so easy when you've got a family to consider as well. His attitude is unnecessary, regardless.

the geekling PMed me earlier in the week and she said she was gonna send your primary app to a few schools out west because she wants to be a california girl.
 
the geekling PMed me earlier in the week and she said she was gonna send your primary app to a few schools out west because she wants to be a california girl.
LOL! Because adding a few Cali schools, especially as an OOS student, is going to do a lot for my chances. 😛 😉 😀
 
Why this attitude, bleargh? This is the second time you've said this exact same thing. My cGPA and most of my ECs are standard, my sGPA is pretty much flawless, I have a crapton of clinical experience and I'm also applying to one or two DO schools, so enlighten me.

I don't think most people who don't have kids realize how difficult it is to just pick up and move across country so I wouldn't worry about other peoples opinions too much. Not a lot of people on here are in your shoes. I also think you are in THE best city since your goal is to stay local.

However, getting into med school isn't easy. It isn't you do x, y, & z = acceptance. Plenty of people get turned down at schools where their stats are above average. The LizzyM score is just something made up, to give you a general idea of your competitiveness. It does not guarantee you anything, not even an interview. Also, I have in the neighborhood of 5,000 paid hours of clinical experience over 4 years, and I would never stop and say "ok that's enough, I've got plenty of experience now."

I think in general you have a good chance of getting into one of the 6 schools you plan to apply to, if you get a 31+ MCAT. I also think your reasons for applying to only those 6 schools is justified. All I'm saying is that you shouldn't be surprised when people think you are taking a risk. My sGPA is a 3.99 also but I wouldn't feel confident applying to only 6 schools.
 
However, getting into med school isn't easy. It isn't you do x, y, & z = acceptance. Plenty of people get turned down at schools where their stats are above average. The LizzyM score is just something made up, to give you a general idea of your competitiveness. It does not guarantee you anything, not even an interview. Also, I have in the neighborhood of 5,000 paid hours of clinical experience over 4 years, and I would never stop and say "ok that's enough, I've got plenty of experience now."
I'm aware of that. That's all I meant by bringing it up. And yeah, I've got 3000 paid of hours of clinical experience. I had to leave that job because of scheduling conflicts with daycare. Lame. 🙁
 
I'm aware of that. That's all I meant by bringing it up. And yeah, I've got 3000 paid of hours of clinical experience. I had to leave that job because of scheduling conflicts with daycare. Lame. 🙁

To stay local Philly is a great place to be. Also taking care of your daughter and going to school shows a lot of character. A good topic for the "discuss any obstacles you've overcome" essays. So turn that frown upside down 🙂

It could be a lot worse. . .
 
I actually might agree with Bleargh on this one.. I know you're really smart geekchick, not many people can boast a 4.0 science gpa (good job!), but I really don't think anyone can bank on getting into 1 of 6 medical schools with utmost certainty.. These admission counselors use all sorts of factors that we often simply cannot predict, so no one can really guarantee anything.

Two of my friends right now are kicking themselves because they didn't apply to enough schools this cycle.

Either that, or like I said, maybe I'm just under-confident when it comes to medical school admissions.

This is pretty much exactly what I would have said.. so 👍

Really, I have friends who applied to a few schools, even DO, and things aren't going so well for them. Believe me, I wish applying now was like applying 15 years ago -- when numbers alone could get ya in.
 
I don't think most people who don't have kids realize how difficult it is to just pick up and move across country so I wouldn't worry about other peoples opinions too much. Not a lot of people on here are in your shoes. I also think you are in THE best city since your goal is to stay local.

However, getting into med school isn't easy. It isn't you do x, y, & z = acceptance. Plenty of people get turned down at schools where their stats are above average. The LizzyM score is just something made up, to give you a general idea of your competitiveness. It does not guarantee you anything, not even an interview. Also, I have in the neighborhood of 5,000 paid hours of clinical experience over 4 years, and I would never stop and say "ok that's enough, I've got plenty of experience now."

I think in general you have a good chance of getting into one of the 6 schools you plan to apply to, if you get a 31+ MCAT. I also think your reasons for applying to only those 6 schools is justified. All I'm saying is that you shouldn't be surprised when people think you are taking a risk. My sGPA is a 3.99 also but I wouldn't feel confident applying to only 6 schools.

I'm aware of that. That's all I meant by bringing it up. And yeah, I've got 3000 paid of hours of clinical experience. I had to leave that job because of scheduling conflicts with daycare. Lame. 🙁

any tips for getting a clinical job, besides volunteering? i've applied to a few jobs at the hospital, but of course its all online so they probably get a ton of apps.
 
any tips for getting a clinical job, besides volunteering? i've applied to a few jobs at the hospital, but of course its all online so they probably get a ton of apps.

In general for most of the positions at the hospital where I work they want some previous experience in a clinical setting. I always tell people who are freshmen they should get an EMT certification over the summer. Then use that to help them get something later. I know that probably doesn't help you much now though.

I would suggest applying to as many positions as possible. Look at casual positions b/c they have a higher turn over so they are hiring more often. Then use the experience you get as a casual employee to get something full time (if you want to).
 
any tips for getting a clinical job, besides volunteering? i've applied to a few jobs at the hospital, but of course its all online so they probably get a ton of apps.
I was already working at another job in the hospital, so that helped as I was an internal applicant. I was a unit clerk for 2 years. Lots of experiences and it was crazy busy, but fun. I would look into something like that, if you can, as it requires no certification.
 
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I get that, and like I said, it depends on what I get on the MCAT. It's also not so easy when you've got a family to consider as well. His attitude is unnecessary, regardless.
Assuming you are also ok with DO geekchick which i think you are? There should be absolutely no issue at all getting into a med school in philly or at that NJ school which has both an MD and DO program. For me since i have no easy state schools im almost forced to relocate my wife and son 🙁. Sucks but hoping that a WL works out so i dont have. Good luck! Honestly even if you didnt go DO you still have a decent chance at schools like temple an drexel for sure. Id be very surprised if you didnt land a drexel interview.
 
Thanks Elijah. I would prefer MD (my top choice, Jeff, for example) but I've got no problem going to PCOM (or UMDNJ-SOM). I'm pretty sure if I got in there, and an MD school that would require we relocate, I'd choose PCOM. I have been cared for by/worked with several doctors from PCOM and they are just as good as any MD.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that you get off that WL. Do you have any idea where you are on it?
 
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Thanks Elijah. I would prefer MD (my top choice, Jeff, for example) but I've got no problem going to PCOM (or UMDNJ-SOM). I'm pretty sure if I got in there, and an MD school that would require we relocate, I'd choose PCOM. I have been cared for by/worked with several doctors from PCOM and they are just as good as any MD.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that you get off that WL. Do you have any idea where you are on it?
No idea where i am on the WL but both of the schools have good WL movement so im confident that one of the two WL will work out. If not i have an option thats still in the same state but a good 6 hour drive from where i currently am. In the end i just realized its not a huge deal to relocate. At 1st when i applied i felt like you but after interviewing i just realized it didnt matter as much to me. Sure would having stability and keeping my kid in the same school and wife at her job be nice? Yes which is why i want to stay. But moving them wouldnt be the end of the world. My wife could easily get another job and my son is still young (I think yours a baby still?) that it wont matter much to him. I understand your situation but personally I would apply to more schools then just your state and NJ ones as going to med school and relocating a bit is better then not getting in at all. Either way good luck w/ your schools🙂.
 
Yeah, my daughter is 15 months old.

My husband has been trying to get a better job for about a year and he finally landed an interview on Tuesday. I will feel AWFUL if he gets this job, loves it, and then we have to relocate in less than a year and a half. Thankfully, if I get in this cycle, regardless of where we end up now, when I start residency will be the same year the little one would start elementary school. I'm hoping I get in this cycle partly because I would hate to uproot her after a year or two.

I have to keep reminding myself that my in-laws have offered to help with the application process, money-wise, so I can unclench and throw at least a few schools that are out of the Philadelphia area.
 
Why this attitude, bleargh? This is the second time you've said this exact same thing. My cGPA and most of my ECs are standard, my sGPA is pretty much flawless, I have a crapton of clinical experience and I'm also applying to one or two DO schools, so enlighten me.

it's not an attitude, it's a fact. apply to 6 schools, accept possibility of not getting into any. sorry if that bursts your bubble, but it's just the way things are. forgetting for a moment your MCAT score isn't in, even if it were "standard," i.e. ~30, nothing is guaranteed. perhaps my views are colored by the experiences of my perfect-on-paper (3.8/38) and real-life-amazing-guy best bud/roommate who got into ONE school out of a dozen, but applying to only 6 schools in the eastern seaboard (where there are comparatively more applicants) is a big gamble. by not even applying elsewhere, you are essentially saying that if you can't go to med school in Philly, you would rather not be a doctor. There is no other way around it.

There's a difference between suggesting someone apply broadly, and implying someone will not get into any of 6 medical schools (including 2 DO) when their LizzyM score would be competitive at all but 1 (Penn), provided they get at least a 31 on the MCAT.

i didn't imply anything; i explictly stated a potential consequence you may have to deal with.

I actually might agree with Bleargh on this one.. I know you're really smart geekchick, not many people can boast a 4.0 science gpa (good job!), but I really don't think anyone can bank on getting into 1 of 6 medical schools with utmost certainty.. These admission counselors use all sorts of factors that we often simply cannot predict, so no one can really guarantee anything.

Two of my friends right now are kicking themselves because they didn't apply to enough schools this cycle.

Either that, or like I said, maybe I'm just under-confident when it comes to medical school admissions.
my point exactly.

I get that, and like I said, it depends on what I get on the MCAT. It's also not so easy when you've got a family to consider as well. His attitude is unnecessary, regardless.
my attitude is that you should weigh your risks according to your own priorities. sorry, but i have to reject whatever else is being projected on me. if i hurt your feelings i apologize but i do think you're being defensive.
 
it's not an attitude, it's a fact. apply to 6 schools, accept possibility of not getting into any. sorry if that bursts your bubble, but it's just the way things are.
There is no magic number where you are guaranteed an acceptance either. You can also apply to 30 schools and not get into any. It doesn't burst my bubble; the tone of your posts ("I would only do this if you're really not okay with not being a doctor") is condescending.

by not even applying elsewhere, you are essentially saying that if you can't go to med school in Philly, you would rather not be a doctor. There is no other way around it.
Or *gasp* I might have to wait another year, apply again and more broadly, if that's the case. I don't want to do that, but I also don't want to have to relocate my family, making my husband find a new job and taking my daughter away from her aunt and grandmother.

And once more, with feeling, this is just an idea I have been kicking around in my head. Someone a few pages back said they were only applying to 1 freaking school. There's no need for you to jump up my ass every time I mention it, mmmkay?
 
There is no magic number where you are guaranteed an acceptance either. You can also apply to 30 schools and not get into any. It doesn't burst my bubble; the tone of your posts ("I would only do this if you're really not okay with not being a doctor") is condescending.

No there isn't, and everyone must make up his/her own mind about it, but to say applying to about half the average number of schools is no more risk would be lunacy, which i assume you agree with. What tone you infer from my post is not really in my power.

Or *gasp* I might have to wait another year, apply again and more broadly, if that's the case. I don't want to do that, but I also don't want to have to relocate my family, making my husband find a new job and taking my daughter away from her aunt and grandmother.
Indeed, this is yet another choice you could make but I probably don't need to tell you there are additional hurdles as a reapplicant, not to mention the added cost burdens. Realistically, there are only 3 outcomes for any of us:
1) get in to med school
2) rejected, find new path
3) rejected, reapply
My point, as it always has been, is that this idea of yours increases the chance (doubles, if you'll allow a certain looseness with the math) for the latter two possibilities while decreasing the first.

And once more, with feeling, this is just an idea I have been kicking around in my head. Someone a few pages back said they were only applying to 1 freaking school. There's no need for you to jump up my ass every time I mention it, mmmkay?
To hit up the reprise, just as this is just an idea, it's just a bad idea from a risk standpoint. Surely you weren't actually expecting people to say it was a good one? If I had seen that person's post I would have said something similar, though probably more harshly worded. I can't help the fact that I see what I see when I occasionally peruse this thread.
 
I'm fully aware it's not a brilliant idea, but I need to consider both what's best for me in regards to applying to medical school, which is to apply to as many schools as possible, and what's best for my family, which is to stay here.

I think we should just agree to disagree, as it personally doesn't affect you at all if I decide to do this (hey, if anything, it's one less applicant in the pool where ever you apply, right?). I would just appreciate not feeling ridden for the idea that I might make a personal sacrifice for the benefit of my husband and kid(s, as I want at least one more before I'm done school... how's THAT for a topic?).
 
perhaps my views are colored by the experiences of my perfect-on-paper (3.8/38) and real-life-amazing-guy best bud/roommate who got into ONE school out of a dozen,

Yep. Or my 3.65/40R nontrad friend who got rejected from our (low-ranked but self-righteous) state school. Posts like these remind me why I'm applying to a bunch of schools that I like, but that are also upper-end selectivity. (although I do think that geekchick is making the best choice for her situation)
 
I'm fully aware it's not a brilliant idea, but I need to consider both what's best for me in regards to applying to medical school, which is to apply to as many schools as possible, and what's best for my family, which is to stay here.

I think we should just agree to disagree, as it personally doesn't affect you at all if I decide to do this (hey, if anything, it's one less applicant in the pool where ever you apply, right?). I would just appreciate not feeling ridden for the idea that I might make a personal sacrifice for the benefit of my husband and kid(s, as I want at least one more before I'm done school... how's THAT for a topic?).
This is all I was trying to say, it was unclear to me whether you thought it was a good idea or not. I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, you posted the idea with the purpose of generating feedback. I don't think we disagree at all; you can do as you please, and apply to as little or as many schools that jives your own sense of risk management and personal responsibility. In either case I wish you luck, I really wasn't posting with any malice.
 
This is all I was trying to say, it was unclear to me whether you thought it was a good idea or not. I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, you posted the idea with the purpose of generating feedback. I don't think we disagree at all; you can do as you please, and apply to as little or as many schools that jives your own sense of risk management and personal responsibility. In either case I wish you luck, I really wasn't posting with any malice.
I think we need to hug now, bleargh. 😳
 
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