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    true. and none of that happened to the Clintons.
     
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    I don’t really care, but didn’t the Clintons “hire” an outside firm to handle her computers, who then deleted/bleached the hard drives just before the fbi formally requested them. Hence the Clintons were not liable.... coincidentally. The Clintons aren’t amateurs.
     
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    Or with Trump - that's my point.

    I just want Democrats to stop clutching their pearls about Trump. Stop saying he's a hard core criminal because, "what if" this or that accusation is true - put a prism on the law and apply the Enochian polarizing template, his crimes are actually "MAJOR".

    If we didn't keep bringing liberals back to earth, they would be totally lost in space :)
     
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    there is SO much smoke. no, there has not been a conviction.... yet.... because they dude is the sitting "president"

    are you willing to accept what the lifelong public servant/ lifelong republican / war hero Robert Mueller has to say about this? or will you again just make up your own reality?
     
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    Are you going to make a big deal about Trump coming out saying he smoked weed in college while listening to Snoop and Tupac?
     
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    yeah, theres no way he listened to Snoop and Tupac.

    i know you meant to say Boyz to Men and Back Street Boys...
     
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    I'm still trying to figure out why Mueller was even appointed, let alone what authority he has over the POTUS. Where is "special counsel" in the constitution, compared to the legit branches of government?

    So, to answer your question, to me he's just another investigator, like the Senate Intel, house Intel, etc. But he definitely has a predisposition. Prosecutors gonna prosecute.
     
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    I guess my question to you is, when are you going to accept the reality that Donald Trump won the election? He will be president until at least 2020, and quite possibly 2024, when the next elections take place.

    The reality is that no matter how much smoke you think you see, no matter how many "special" people are hired or crying news pundits commenting, you can't get rid of our president until his term expires.
     
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    and you expect that a republican dominated committee whose chair is a big trump supporter is going to find evidence?

    the difference between Mueller and the senate and old and new house panels is that he has no political agenda or bias.
     
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    true...the new Democrat Congress will surely get to the bottom of it.
     
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    i dont believe that he was elected legitimately. therefore, i dont believe that anything he does, says, whomever he appoints, whatever treaty or agreement he takes us out of has any merit. i accept that he is currently nominally the president. however, i will not accept his fleecing of our country and our democracy.

    lets assume, hypothetically, that there is a smoking gun. that trump gave russia some info that they used to alter the election (changed voter rolls in michigan, whatever). lets just assume that it happened. if thats the case, what would be your reaction. would you care? would you want to void the result? what about the supreme court judges? do they get to stay?

    the mueller investigation is like watergate on steroids. watergate tore our country apart. 69 indictments, 48 found guilty. this will be a defining moment for our country.

    btw, i dont think trump is going anywhere until 2020. however, jan 21st 2020, my hones best guess is that he will be in jail. time will tell. but you just cant break that many laws and walk. if you can, we really dont have a country.
     
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    Are you better off now than under Obama?
     
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    again, i am still waiting for the evidence. Your party and it's propaganda arm has promised Trump colluded with Russia for 2 years, yet still nothing. Arent you exhausted at being lied to for so long just to boost their ratings? I thought Cohen was your white knight, but today he found yet another excuse to not come testify to Congress....shoulder surgery this time. As for similarities with Watergate, i agree, but because multiple people in govt on your side have thrown everything and anything, from porn stars to Hollywood Reality videos, from leaked schedules to fake racism accusations....fake dossiers and fake Russian collusion. NONE OF IT REAL. And none of the indictments have ANYTHING to do with Trump.

    Hypothetically... Hillary lost Michigan to Bernie Sanders, and then stole the party nomination from him. So im not sure why you would think anything about Michigan ....hypothetically.

    Trump fleeced America?....i guess all those people who kept more of their own money cuz they were taxed less and are now forced to work by Trump should be upset? And God forbid he repealed the Obamacare mandate so they arent forced to pay a tax for insurance they didnt need or want. And i know it isnt much, but he has saved us millions in staffing costs in the White House and and has donated his salary to charities.
     
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    In this hypothetical, assuming also that Trump had a direct hand in aiding Russia in subverting the election, the Supreme Court Justices remain but it would certainly be a case for impeachment, removal from office, and assumption of presidency by Pence.

    But consider how ridiculous this hypothetical is. You're saying Russia has the capability of actually changing voter rolls and altering the election outcome but they don't have the capability to legally get polling data or whatever you think Trump had that they needed?
     
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    Someone is so bent up over this they are exhibiting loss of reality.
     
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    Pence is complicit. He'd also be in jail for conspiracy among other charges

    Again, this is a hypothetical, but russia did get the internal polling data directly from Manafort. And they do indeed have the cyber capability to mess with the voter rolls

    "While the intelligence agencies are silent on the impact of Russia’s attack, outside experts who have examined the Kremlin campaign — which included stealing and sharing Democratic Party emails, spreading propaganda online and hacking state voter rolls — have concluded that it did affect an extremely close election decided by fewer than 80,000 votes in three states. Clint Watts, a former FBI agent, writes in his recent book, “Messing with the Enemy,” that “Russia absolutely influenced the U.S. presidential election,” especially in Michigan and Wisconsin, where Trump’s winning margin was less than 1 percent in each state."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d911c784c38_story.html?utm_term=.95d41f196e8b
     
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    unchanged.

    financially, there has been no tangible difference.

    i hate the direction the country is going, especially in regards to the climate and environment. the divisiveness is abhorrent, the cow towing to russia, leaving the Paris, shunning NATO, stomping all over the CIA and FBI, the tarriffs -- all of these are just insanely stupid.

    but other than me being pissed off at the complete moron in the white house, i am no "worse off" nor "better off" right now
     
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    maybe

    trump is historically unpopular, so its really not just me. he's going down. just a matter of time
     
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    Your WAPO propaganda problem is motive.....The Clinton's were getting $500k for a speech and had a nice relationship with Russia....so why would they leak her and the DNC's damaging emails? Notice how the story is not about the information that was leaked, which was damning in itself.

    And who looks at most of this "social media" anyway? Answer: young people. Do young people vote? Not as many who should. Then there is the illegal votes. Or another way to look at it....if not for Chicago, LA, and NYC, the Trump win would have been much bigger.
     
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    your party wants this country to go in the direction of socialism and Venezuela...you are nuts! Trump strengthened NATO by getting the other countries to pay what they should. Our country is cleaner than almost all others. Climate change is a cash cow for your party. Stop listening to the propaganda your party is feeding you and use some common sense man!
     
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    Eh, not really. At various times his approval ratings have been higher than previous presidents.

    Its also worth noting that his approval rating has stayed pretty steady while most previous presidents change depending on what's going on with the country. That suggests (and I think we can all agree with this) that there are people who wouldn't like Trump if he fixed the environment with a snap of his fingers and came up with a high quality budget neutral single-payer plan and there are also people that would still like Trump if he lead us to nuclear Armageddon next Monday.

    How Popular Is Donald Trump?
     
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    No.

    And doctodd, you really have not only bought but drank the koolaid. Never since the Cold War has Russia had as strong a position in world politics. Never has China dominated economics. Never has the US has as little a role in world events since before WW2 as now.


    What most of us want us balance. We don’t have that now, yet. Domination by progressives for the US as a whole would be as bad as this trump conservatism.
     
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    i dont know why i bother, but can you please post some references for your lies?

    here is what you should have posted initially.

    "Of the 13 Clinton speeches that fetched $500,000 or more, only two occurred during the years his wife was not secretary of state,"according to the New York Times, which has an advance copy."
     
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    there were no illegal votes. or at least, just a handful. this is another lie that you gobbled up as if it were gospel.
     
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    that is a false equivalence. sort of like saying there was blame "on both sides" in charlottesville.

    by the numbers, he is historically unpopular.

    Chuck Schumer Doesn’t Seem to Know That Donald Trump Is Extraordinarily Unpopular
     
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    You made my point stronger. The fact that they made 13 speeches only proves that they had an excellent relationship with Russia and she was easily bought and paid for.

    Your side has made it abundantly clear that they care more about abortions, illegal immigrants, and uncorroborated women who try to destroy a man’s family without due process.

    It’s hard to go any farther left, but I’ll hold your beer
     
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    ? non sequitur?

    as usual, ducttape was spot on: im not a fan of the uber left progressive policies, but that is really not where the democrat party is at. foxnews loves to vilify AOC because its mouthbreathers (AKA doctodd) just lap it. more balance is definitely needed
     
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    we waste each other's time because i want you to convince me. But since your side is so blatantly left, because your media is so blatantly anti-Trump 24/7, because your side ignores common sense, i dont see me being convinced. I havent mentioned AOC, but she is an example of democrat voters voting for increased govt control of everything....the extreme left that has embraced Cuba and Venezuela despite the obvious. And your side has embraced her.

    Convince me that Trump is anti-USA and pro-globalist and for less personal freedom....because your side has embraced those things. Convince me without calling me racist, sexist, misogynist etc. You know your side cant do it. You dont want freedom.
     
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    How is that a false equivalence? There are noted times when presidents have been less popular than Trump. That means he's not historically unpopular by definition.

    Edit: and I think that article misses quite a few things most notably Trump's elections despite trailing in every poll done pretty much the entire election season. For whatever reason, polls are not a good way to measure Trump's popularity. I mean hell, his approval rating was 45% on his 4th day in office.
     
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    trump is pro-whatever puts money in his own personal bank account. i truly dont believe that he has the interests of the united states at heart when he makes his decisions. he only cares about himself, as evidenced by his obvious nacissism. you cant trust that. you cant believe a word that comes out of his mouth. i have a close family member with the same disorder. everything he days or does is solely to make himself look or feel better. thats no way to run a country.

    not everyone has embraced the uber-progressive agenda. it is akin to the tea party movement. there are some who are on the far far left. most dont.

    im fairly certain that nobody wants the US to turn into venezuela. that is a pretty ridiculous talking point
     
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    That's something I just don't get about you. For the most part, I think you and I have similar feelings about various ideas that get floated around especially in areas that would effect medicine (Medicare-for-all, for example) but you are almost rabidly anti-Trump. Its unusual. I mean I don't like the guy but I'm often stuck defending some of his actions because the other side is just a little crazy at times (for what its worth, I had to do the same with Obama 9 years ago).
     
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    of course the ratings go up and down, but over the length of his presidency thus far, he is in fact, historically unpopular

    Donald Trump's approval rating shows he's a historically unpopular president
     
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    oh, i am definitely rabid. foaming at the mouth at this point. i dont want to get into WHY i hate him again, as my patients may pay the price for my rancor this morning.

    im a slightly left of center in general. im not one of the AOC "moonbats"
     
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    keep it together....we agree on alot so i can sympathize about his unpopularity, especially since the media foments, celebrities foment, social media foments, and feels just like you because it is in their face 24/7. The media parades all these "smartest guys in the room" saying orange man bad, so the vast majority eventually believe it. That is propaganda. IMAGINE his ratings if the mass media wasnt attacking him 24/7?!

    He is a bombastic dingus. But the alternative was pretty clearly corrupt. We wanted a shake up and we got it. I dont like he signed the most recent budget because spending is out of control. But the economy is roaring and i dont think it would be like this with more govt regulation with democrat control.

    I just came from a trip to Colorado....the airports were packed, all flights sold out, business saying they are the busiest they have been.
    Common sense tells me we are doing fine, despite what the world economy is looking like, and despite what your so called experts are saying.
     
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    is it ridiculous? You dont remember the liberal media and Bernie Sanders applauding Venezuela and Cuba's policies?

    Ive seen Trump's wealth DECREASE, not increase. Of course he wants to be successful....show me someone who wants to fail?
     
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    why cant we keep the pendulum in the middle? we have a pretty crappy way of electing presidents and senators.
     
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    because of ratings.....division makes money. A start would be for your side to stop calling everyone who doesnt agree with them racist or sexist.
     
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    no, i dont remember that. can you post the link?

    trump's wealth has probably gone down because his brand is toxic. anything he touches turns to sh$t. and i think that he has WAY less money than he claims for no other reason than everything his says is a lie to make himself look better, and we havent seen his taxes. a legitimate case can be made that he ran and became president SOLELY to sell out, get more loans, and enrich himself. now, dont get me wrong, lots of politicians end up getting rich, but they do it though book sales, speaker fees, etc. not by selling foreign american policy decisions to turkey, saudi arabia, and russia.

    trump maybe somewhat insulated by his presidency, but don jr, kushner et al are the next dominos to fall
     
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    or for your side to stop lying about and believing easily verifiable facts

    point taken on the PC/gotcha politics. agreed
     
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    Problem is, you have been shown multiple threads from multiple sources, reputable ones, and you refuse to acknowledge any concerns whatsoever.

    It would overload this entire forum to repost all the concerns involving trump. Heck there are over 6000 lies he has made alone. Politifact alone has 12 pages (20 lies per page) on its website. You choose to see none of them. His own government refutes many of his statements. The staff that leave mostly belittle him with tell all books, unlike any other prez, not even younger bush...

    Tell you what. If your side would be so bold as to nominate Kasich to run for President, I’ll say right now that I would unequivocally vote for him over Warren or sanders. But that’s not gonna happen because conservatives are so afraid of getting on lyin’ trumps bad side that they lost their backbone to stand up for what is right for the US.
     
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    So wait, doctodd called the president a bombastic dingus and ssdoc33 called AOC followers "moonbats."

    Who said arguing politics online was pointless? It looks like everyone is on the same page now! Everyone thinks John Edwards is an @$$, right?
     
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    actually i said he was a d!k but it was changed by the forum. We have already said Trump is an dingus sometimes....but the country recognized that smiling, superficially charismatic politicians like Obama were changing the country for the worst while lying to us. We knew what we were voting for in Trump. A businessman...someone who had enough money already.

    forum censor again....dingus = a$$hole. Yes i said Trump is an a$$hole sometimes....not someone i want to have a beer with. But he is someone i want managing my team and shaking up the corrupt politicians.
     
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    He may not be that unpopular statistically but his enemies are zombies. They can't be reasoned with or cured.
     
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    this never gets old...but it's on point. Sadly, this isnt an exaggeration.

     
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