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Congrats to everybody who finished the COMLEX I today. It's amazing that the NBOME thought that lithium and diabetes insipidus were ultra-important but failed to ask a single question on leukemias or glomerular diseases.....glad I spent such a long time studying those😉 How'd it go for everybody?
 
Was that NBOMEs idea of a joke? There was virutally no pathology. It was all neuro and endocrine. I'm so glad I wasted the last three months reading the board review material. So when I start reading for Step II should I study Step III material?
 
Seemed like I guessed on virtually all of the questions. Thought neuro was low yield?? Guess not this yr! The NBOME must also love erectile dysfunction, and Meningitis...
 
OMM anyone...could it have been anymore random. Cranial was a big winner on my exam...I dunno what to think...I really don't.

All that is ringing through my head is ......Oct is just a few months away!!!!

I did NorthWest Review...their OMM guy told us "All we needed to know for OMM" and if he could have been any more wrong..

Review class and all..I felt totally blown away.....

See y'all in Oct!!!
 
WOOHOO! two days of hell finally over. i agree with the previous posts in that the questions seemed very random. reproductive system was big on my exams. seems every other question began with a "25 year old female presents with amenorrhea...". omm really focused on the autonomics. i've heard that it was normally 30% of the exam but it didn't really seem that much. all i know is i guessed on this exam like no test i've ever taken. let's hope the luck is in my favor.

MOZ D.O.
 
I couldn't believe there was so much damn neuro...the system I absolutely hate. I thought the test was crappy...but I'm hoping I got enough right to pass. Does anyone have any idea how the COMLEX is scored (other than 400 is passing?)
I too spent so much time studying the glomerular diseases...and I was really irritated that NOT ONE QUESTION showed up on them. +pissed+
 
Yeah, a 50 year old comes in with hypertension, diabetes, hit in the head with a baseball, but let's talk about his limp dick. Whatever. That test was a friggin crap shoot. Shouldve got the dice out. 😕
 
I see some things still haven't changed regarding the COMLEX.
Congratulations to all of you for finishing the exam (no small task). And good luck in your clerkships this July!

-wanna_be_DO
NYCOM Class of 2003
 
Finished Comlex today. I'm glad to see everyone else on here thought the test was a joke. Don't guess pathology is an important subject. However, it is very important to be able to diagnose warts on a big anus! I'm really glad I am taking the USMLE because if I wasn't I would be chapped that I wasted the last month studying for the comlex. There wasn't anything I studied on there. The test I had was nothing but sacrum, anatomy, structural abnormalities, and xrays. I had not path, hardly any phys, biochem, or behavioral science. The pharm and micro I had was repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. No variety at all. This was probably the worst test I have ever taken - the questions were written poorly, there was bad grammar in the questions, etc. Did anyone have the question about the tocolytic agents and then in the next sentence it asked about anti-tocolytic agents (or did I just imagine that?) Overall, this test was so unrepresentative of what I have learned over the last 2 years that it just disgusted me. On to the USMLE - hopefully, this will be a real test.
 
JOKE, JOKE, JOKE! One questions I'm being asked to differentiate between five different opiates and the next question I'm being asked which quadrant pain for an appendicitis would be present. I feel like I didn't study anything the last two weeks that was pertinent to the test. I do know a lot about leukemias and lymphomas. And talk about NO buzz words. Oh well, it's over and I'm flying to Boston tommorrow.
 
What a test!!!
So very random just like everyone has already mentioned. What about the question stem that told you that L3 was flexed, side bent and rotated right and then the first question asked you "L3 is" and the choices were basically non-neutral or neutral...strange!!!
Definitely not representative of what anyone ever expected.
Whatever, now for those of us not taking USMLE, we've got a few weeks off before rotations, so looking forward to that. For those takin the USMLE's - GOOD LUCK!!!
 
It's hard to add anything else to the list above. The test SUCKED! Neuro, drugs I have never heard been taught, endocrine, and NO path. The last month has been the biggest waste of time. I would get the same score if I would have took the test as soon as classes were out. Oh well. Till August....
 
Originally posted by OMMFellow06
What a test!!!
So very random just like everyone has already mentioned. What about the question stem that told you that L3 was flexed, side bent and rotated right and then the first question asked you "L3 is" and the choices were basically non-neutral or neutral...strange!!!
Definitely not representative of what anyone ever expected.
Whatever, now for those of us not taking USMLE, we've got a few weeks off before rotations, so looking forward to that. For those takin the USMLE's - GOOD LUCK!!!

OMMfellow06 the best part of that question was they asked what L3 was but in the question stem or the question before it they fixed L3. so should you have answered what was it, or was is it now assuming they fixed it right.


Whole thing was a Joke. I took USMLE last week. Questions were very hard, but well written and fair.


hope everyone passes, and just goes to show the only way to they(NBOME) can differentiate us is though guessing.

Have a great vacation if you get one, we dont
 
First off congrats on completing the COMLEX!!!

Question -- we hear rumors that the way one performs on the MCAT can give a predicament for how one will perform on the COMLEX....

Now that you've been done with the COMLEX can you give us your 2 cents.

Do they coorilate in terms of passing range?

Thanks - good luck on the rounds!
 
I want my money back. Did anyone else have proctors making phone calls during their exams?
 
Yeah. . .there's no doubt the COMLEX was a beast. What ever little bit of path was on there pertained to the rarest of physical signs and diseases. And what was up with all that freackin' microbiology. . and trivial bugs too! And I definitely shouldn't have believed the rumor that "genetics is mostly a USMLE thing so don't worry about it for COMLEX." Yeah right! I think I passed it, but it's gonna be close to the red zone. Let's just hope step 2 is a better experience.
 
Man it really sounds like this year's test blew. I hope that it will be better for us next year. I guess I should start early and study the most abstract stuff and I might have a chance to pass!!

-C
 
I too thought COMLEX was very frustrating. I paid for Kaplan and was told that anatomy was very low-yield and we covered a tiny bit of neuro, but I felt like I was taking an in-depth neuroanatomy exam! I was really bummed and depressed after that because neuro & anatomy were my worst subjects and I just kept hoping (like everyone said) that they would be LOW YIELD on exam. I guess NBOME thought it was funny or something! I feel like they got a First Aid book out and crossed out all questions pertaining to any material in that book. And all those EKGs? was anyone else in shock?
 
I took USMLE the day after. The anatomy/neuro on USMLE was easy compared to the anatomy on COMLEX - and anatomy is my worst subject. Biochem was about the same difficulty if not easier on the USMLE. More pathology on the USMLE, but really, the MCAT had more pathology than the that freakin COMLEX. How many questions did you get regarding Diabetes Insipidus? That was a very common topic. And sooooo glad I just sort of glanced through the lower extremity since that was ALL OVER the COMLEX. Stupid Kaplan - didn't even review lowere extremity. Our OMM Kaplan guy was such a tool, I walked out early. I felt that way after the MCAT, too. Who the hell knows if MCAT and COMLEX scores correlate? We don't have our results back yet!

Yeah - the damn L3 question. That had to be an error. I answered it just as written - they were asking for L3 - I gave them L3.

bleehhhhhhhh

At least I feel good about USMLE!
 
There were defenitly a couple of strange bugs and drugs. I too was surprized by the amount of neuro that was tested. How many times did they ask about the blood supply of the circle of willis? And what the hell was Babyosis? ? I hope they will throw out alot of their "experimental questions".
 
if next yrs test is anything like this yr's.....

KNOW PATHOPHYS FOR BOARDS AND WARDS.......i wish i read that book cover to cover, rather then skimming parts here and there........oh well......
 
Well, I took the USMLE on Friday. That test was a 100 times better than the complex. It was written well, you knew what the question was after, even if you didn't know the answer, the photos and xrays were clear, we were tested over everything we had learned over the last 2 years instead of about 20 random topics, and the security was better. I don't know what the NBOME is thinking, but they need to revamp the way they handle the exam. We were allowed to get up and go to the bathroom one at a time - people could have been hiding notes in the bathroom and when they came to a question they didn't know, said they had to go and went to get an answer. What's funny is that we hear all too often that the AMA and AOA are equal and that are boards are equal and if a hospital takes one they should take both. Well, that is a bunch of crap.
 
Originally posted by joaquin13
I feel like they got a First Aid book out and crossed out all questions pertaining to any material in that book.

That is the straight-up TRUTH. I swear, I really think that NBOME, for whatever reason, has made a conscious decision to avoid questions based on anything stressed in First Aid. ALL FREAKING YEAR, I hear that the COMLEX is a path/micro/pharm test. Well, I knew my path was weak, so I focused almost entirely and path 2 wks prior to the exam....what a complete waste of time!

OMG! What was up with all the freaking imaging?!?! CXRs, U/S's. MRI's, CT's, freaking endoscopes....WTF?!?! Maybe I should have paid more attention during my radiology rotation...oh wait....I've never had a radiology rotation...and oh yeah...I've NEVER BEEN TAUGHT FREAKING RADIOLOGY!!!

What's up with 80% of my patients just returning from Africa...oh yeah, those micro questions were real clinically relevant...IF YOUR PRACTICE IS IN BOTSWANA!

What I don't get is....what is the point? I mean...why? Why make the test that goofy (for lack of a better descriptor)? I mean, if you're purposely trying to NOT REWARD people for studying their ASS off....you know...I was thinking...I could have had First Aid with me during the exam...an open-book exam with First Aid....and it wouldn't have made much of a difference.

Insanity....insanity....I hope the USMLE is better...I take it in August.

Please God....401....401....401....401
 
Everyone feels that way after the COMLEX. The truth is that the vast majority of you passed. It's a strange exam, that's for sure, especially when compared to the much better developed, written, and tested USMLE. However, through the magic of various statistical techniques the COMLEX is able to do what it promises---predict who will have difficulties in future phases of their medical education. You might remember a few years ago the NBOME was having trouble getting the COMLEX accepted in Louisiana so they went out and hired a bunch of statisticians and psychometricians to analyze the test. Overall, it performs just as well as the USMLE and other professional licensing examinations.

Nevertheless, the NBOME could take a lesson from the NBME folks---the NBME actually pilot tests their questions before putting them on the USMLE to make sure that they're comprehensible and clear.
 
I know I'm in the minority here, but I felt that the huge majority of the COMLEX questions were pretty good questions. I mean, yeah, there were definitely a couple of poorly worded questions. Maybe all the questions were poorly written and I'm just used to figuring out these kinds of questions from practicing on all the messed up questions we got on our school exams. Anyway, my biggest beef with the COMEX was that I studied Path and Phys pretty hard, yet very little of these topics were on the test. As far as Pharm go, I was pissed that they kept asking about cancer drugs over and over and over again. . . the one set of drugs that I decided to skim through because I thought it was a low yield topic.
 
I have never heard of the COMLEX, which isn't surprising since I'm pre-DO. Do you guys have to take both? If so, what's the point of taking the COMLEX? Someone please explain.
 
NO, you don't need to take both (COMLEX/USMLE). Obviously, if you're only interested in osteopathic residencies and most allopathic ones, then NO...the COMLEX will do fine. However, if you want a competitive allopathic program (Radiology, Orthopaedics, ENT, etc) then taking the USMLE is highly recommended.
 
Is Emergency Medicine considered competitive enough to require the USMLE?
 
Originally posted by JKDMed
I have never heard of the COMLEX, which isn't surprising since I'm pre-DO. Do you guys have to take both? If so, what's the point of taking the COMLEX? Someone please explain.

The COMLEX is the licensing exam for DOs. You have to take it to be a DO with a license. You may choose to take the USMLE if you want (the MD board exam). Some programs require the USMLE (not many though). A lot of us choose to take both to show we can compete with the MD students.

My understanding is that if you don't do so hot on the USMLE you don't need to show your scores, either. That may be a fallacy. I suppose I'll find out.
 
A few things here.... read on.

Nevertheless, the NBOME could take a lesson from the NBME folks---the NBME actually pilot tests their questions before putting them on the USMLE to make sure that they're comprehensible and clear.

I'm not a big fan of the NBOME, but this above statement isnt entirely true. The NBOME does pilot questions. There's a number of "trial questions" on every COMLEX that dont count for that particular test, rather the NBOME is "testing the question" for use on upcoming exams. I honestly didnt think the test was written that bad. The USMLE may have been written a bit better, but the main problem with the COMLEX isnt its language, rather its that much of it isnt relative to what was stressed or learned as first and second year medical students. For those first-years-to-be, have hope... the NBOME says in 2004 the test will be computer based, a single day, and half the number of questions. By this September they will also give the definite green light for the COMLEX-PE for fall 2004.

Speaking of which, semi-big news: the AMA recently came out AGAINST their version of the clinical skills test. Allopathic students voiced heavy concerns over the test and the AMA relented a few weeks ago in their House of Delegates and came out against the test. Doesnt really matter though, the ACGME, which writes the USMLE and is an entirely separate entity than the AMA, is planning on going ahead with the test anyway. Hence to the above poster, cptcaver, that spoke of the AMA and AOA and their equality in being allowed into hospitals, your way off when it comes to board exams. Each organization has little to do with board exams. The AOA plans to take the matter up next week in their House of Delegates from what I hear. I suspect they will support the test, which should cause some waves because MDs are officially on paper against more stringent licensing exam protocols for doctors. The press wont like that much, hence if the AOA comes out in support of it, it'll be a big coup for D.O.s

Who the hell knows if MCAT and COMLEX scores correlate?

I actually talked to a member of the NBOME this week and asked him that. He showed me a chart of the correlation. Basically, there is no correlation. In fact, the D.O. school with the highest average MCAT scores was #18 out of 19 when it came to mean COMLEX scores. Before you ask, the schools werent listed there, as the names were masked. What was also interesting was the pass rates vs. average means. For all you premeds out there who live and die by pass rates... dont. The school with the highest fail rate jumped to #12 out of 19 when ranked by means. The school with the highest mean and the school with the lowest mean differed by only about 50 points (national mean being 500, best mean = 530, worst mean = 480). However, the best mean didnt have the best pass rate, they were #4 in pass rate. There were about 8 schools lumped into the middle with means which all were within a few points of one another. Moral of the story... it doesnt so much matter where you go, it's more what you do when you get there.
 
oceanDO,

What do the changes mean for us soon to be 2nd years. When we take step 1 in june 2004, will we have the practical part??? Is the comlex changing to computer based?????
thanks
 
smedly2,

The practical exam will only affect Step II, it has nothing to do with Step I. As I said above, the NBOME has said they're moving toward a computer-based exam for the written portions, but it's implementation wont happen until late 2004 or 2005 in my guess. Hence, next June's exam will almost definitely be paper and pencil in the same format is was before. By the time you take Step II or III, it may be computerized.
 
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