COMP/Western Class of 2012!

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I'm planning on taking the 4-wk prep class...did you hear any info about it yet? Oh, and anyone know the address to send transcripts? Just the admissions office, yes?

Well, I'm in, too! All my deposits are in and took care of the physical today (my arms are sore from being poked so many times for the immunizations and blood draws!). I'll actually be commuting from Hemet (~50 miles away), but I'll manage. I drive twice that distance now to work, so 50 miles will be no problem! See you all in August!

Anyone else taking the 4-wk prep class in July??

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NWT acceptance!!!! - see you guys on Facebook and Osteobook.
 
I'm planning on taking the 4-wk prep class...did you hear any info about it yet? Oh, and anyone know the address to send transcripts? Just the admissions office, yes?

Everytime I call to get a specific address to send something to (either deposits, transcripts, letters of rec, etc.) I'm always told simply the main address along with COMP. That's what I've done and they've received everything; so, I guess it works fine to send it that way.

For the prep program, you should call the number listed in the orientation book given to you @ the interview. Apparently there's a secretary who only deals with this program. She told me she would send me the "application" when the dates for the program are finalized (beginning of Feb, but I haven't received anything, yet). She said they make room for everyone who wants to attend, but I would call to get your application sent out right away, just in case. It starts either the last week in June or the first week in July, according to the woman I talked to. See you then!
 
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this is a copy of a post I placed in "Pro/Cons about your school". I too used to be on SDN when I was applying, but since my acceptance this is the first time I've come back to SDN. its not that i don't care about spreading the good word, its just we get so busy and caught up in the medical school world that family, social life gets all put in the back burner. hope this helps someone!



I'm a Western student! its right before our exams coming up this tuesday so i dont have a lot of time, but I remember using sdn back when I was applying and out of huge respect and all the help and information I've received, I'd thought I should post something about Western that may help someone else who is going through what i have.

Western was my number 1 choice when i was applying and it still is. the philosophy and the mission statement for creating humanistic and compassionate doctors are a reality that I am embued with everyday here at Western. i love the weather, although i must admit i'm a socal native, and I love the people at Western. Faculty and admin. are very friendly and they go out of their way to make themselves available for us. Although we are on a percentage system for our grades, there isn't much competition. its more like trying to survive our next exam is the feeling i get. not to say the material is hard or anything, but so much information that it just requires studying everyday. something i was never used to back in my undergrad days (i think this is true for any med. school though).

I didn't really understand it back when i was applying, other than the fact that rotations sites are set up really well at Western, but only after coming to this school, do i understand the huge influence Western carries to all its rotations sites and the legacy Western graduates carry to residency programs in the so.cal area. And we are still expanding everyday is the real cool thing! we just set up another rotation site and another medical center near school just within this past year. the school is everso expanding and i feel the tuition money at work here at Western. just check the matchlist for 2006 and 2007 graduates of Western, if you need to confirm the legacy Western carries in the residency programs.

there are drawbacks to Western as there are any schools. No cafeteria. for gyms, we get special discounts to bally's (1 yr membership is like 25 bucks), la fitness, and 24 hours. we don't have a nice lush green campus as I had back in undergrad, but issues like that will simply melt away once you start school and have to study everyday in rooms for hours at end. when we do need to unwind, we are always 30 mins away from LA (without traffic), 1 hr from skiing or the casino, whatever floats your boat.

the curriculum has changed drastically for the better since we got a new dean of medicine a couple of years ago. we are 4th in the nation for board score pass rate and above avg. compared to the national avg for board scores. you understand quickly that the grades that you get the first 2 years don't matter as much as your board scores, so even if we are based on percentage, we really just feel we need to pass. honestly, the percentage grades motivate me to always do better and try to attain an A, without getting stressed out, cuz in the end like I said, the board scores are what counts.

the OMM faculty are great here and the networking opportunities are endless, with OMM faculty and visiting physicians always holding workshops. many people are skeptical of OMM, esp. cranial, but understand that there will always be people who disagree with anything, and personally i feel its those that aren't very good at OMM, who complain the most about whether its effective or not. shadow a physician in your area who focuses only on OMM, and your skepticism will quickly disappear.

i know i'm biased, but at the rate we are expanding and the legacy we are building as the most competitive gpa/mcat DO school, on top of the rotations and residencies we are getting our hands on, I'm willing to say Western is headed towards the top sometime in the near future. hope that helps someone, and you guys may see me giving tours at Western for those applying. just mention sdn and I'm sure all the applicants eyes will all light up!
 
Western DO thank you so much for all that information, I just interviewed at Western and really liked the school!! BTW, where could I see the 2006 and 2007 matchlists? I have seen 2000-2005, but can't seem to find the two more recent ones. Again, thanks for all the information and good luck with your classes!
 
Question: what is included in the physical? What immunizations we have to do? Do they draw blood? What are they testing besides standard things.
 
Question: what is included in the physical? What immunizations we have to do? Do they draw blood? What are they testing besides standard things.

You'll get a packet in the mail detailing everything you'll need for the physical. Basically, you'll need immunizations for measles, mumps, rubella, diptheria, pertussis, tetanus [within the past 8-10yrs - and that shot hurts like a SOB (my arm's still sore 4 days later!)], polio, varicella, and Hepatitis B along with the other standard physical stuff (e.g., vision, reflexes, lungs, "turn your head and cough", etc.). If you don't have records of all of these (which most people don't - especially Hep B and varicella), you can usually get a blood titer indicating immunity (which I had to do). I also had to get a CXR because I always respond to the PPD (TB). The whole thing took me about 2 hrs with the physical, blood draw, injection, and X-ray.
 
You'll get a packet in the mail detailing everything you'll need for the physical. Basically, you'll need immunizations for measles, mumps, rubella, diptheria, pertussis, tetanus [within the past 8-10yrs - and that shot hurts like a SOB (my arm's still sore 4 days later!)], polio, varicella, and Hepatitis B along with the other standard physical stuff (e.g., vision, reflexes, lungs, "turn your head and cough", etc.). If you don't have records of all of these (which most people don't - especially Hep B and varicella), you can usually get a blood titer indicating immunity (which I had to do). I also had to get a CXR because I always respond to the PPD (TB). The whole thing took me about 2 hrs with the physical, blood draw, injection, and X-ray.

How muh did you guys have to pay? I am also looking for insurance. I guess blue cross blue shield is the best one?
 
Well, I only paid a $25 co-pay. I have pretty good insurance right now (Blue Cross), but the rate just went through the roof for no particular reason. So, I'm going to consider getting Western's insurance when I start in the Fall...
 
i'm in!!!!!!
 
is being sent this week... See you guys in August!!!!!!!
 
How many here are planning on doing the summer anatomy intensive??
 
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hi guys!
after long days of excruciating thought, i decided going to western was worth the $2k deposit loss at another school.
i know, right. it'd better be worth it!! [shakes fists angrily]
super excited to meet you all! :)
 
hi guys!
after long days of excruciating thought, i decided going to western was worth the $2k deposit loss at another school.
i know, right. it'd better be worth it!! [shakes fists angrily]
super excited to meet you all! :)

I did the same thing (had a deposit at AZCOM that I ended up losing) in order to hold out for Western. Well, it worked and I'll be there in the fall (actually in June, since I'm doing the SMSPP)!

Congrats, DancerDO, and see you in a few months!
 
this is kinda random, but i'm curious...
my current boss is a COMP grad, and when i told her i interviewed there and that they were expanding to open different health science schools, the first thing she did was bash the president (dr pumerantz).
....even if he is as bad as she says he is, it wont have any significant effect on our schooling and beyond, will it...??

:worried:
 
Hey guys... I just got the letter on Saturday! I'm a WA resident and got a NWT spot! Now it's time to make some decisions, but I'm looking forward to maybe meeting some of you in the fall!
 
this is kinda random, but i'm curious...
my current boss is a COMP grad, and when i told her i interviewed there and that they were expanding to open different health science schools, the first thing she did was bash the president (dr pumerantz).
....even if he is as bad as she says he is, it wont have any significant effect on our schooling and beyond, will it...??

:worried:

That response is all too common amongst grads (and current students). The only way he affects you is by jacking up tuition to pay for yet more useless investments (podiatry school, optometry school, etc.) instead of useful things like improving existing schools and/or building/buying a REAL medical center in which to use for clinical training.

Other than that, I wouldn't worry too much about him. Also, his son is pretty cool, and is actually doing a lot to benefit the curriculum for the first 2 years.
 
Just got my SMSPP Application by E-mail, so I guess the schedule is officially set...
 
:thumbup::thumbup: Found a place to live near the school that sounds like a good fit (from banweb) - ready for a summer of anatomy.

I signed up for a theater appreciation course this spring along with biochemistry which I might take pass/fail.

My kids are sifting through their options for college next year too. A dining room table full of letters and financial aid award letters = fun.
 
Question for any COMP students that may know: how hard is it to get a track that has your "free" elective (not primary care elective) right at the end of third year? Can anyone that selects this arrangement get it? Or does the entire class pretty much try and go for this track with the elective at the end, and only a small percentage of the students actually get it? And can this elective be done outside of California?

Also, does anyone have any more concrete info about the 2 hospitals (I think one was Garfield Medical??) that will become sites for COMP students to rotate at? I remember reading something that they were adding a bunch of residency slots, and that they would be sites were COMP students could do rotations, I think next year (or the one after that).

Thanks!
 
Hey for the older people, I was wondering how hard it is to live with 3 or so other first years. *I think living with a bunch of other people is great!* I was terribly tired at my interview so I don't recall anything about housing and such.
 
when i interviewed at the Univ of wash, i met a med student who was living with three other students. he LOVED living with them, not only because every aspect of their lives were linked somehow, but they all understood what it took to get here and were more understanding of each other than anyone else they knew.

having said that, people are people and you run the risk of running into, well, people. i'm seriously considering living with people, but i think i'll stay solo the first year if possible. make some friends then make a decision. not great advice, just my 2 won (less than 2 cents in Korea).

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It's not difficult, you just rank them highest and hope the computer selects you before it selects someone else who ranked them highly. In other words, anyone who selects it can get it, just depends on how you ranked it and in what order the computer randomly selected you.

For our tracklist, there are 34 tracks that have elective (or vacation, which is exchangeable with elective) as the very last rotation. Keep in mind that there are numerous other criteria to take into consideration that might cause you to exclude some of those tracks. You also have opportunities to swap tracks with classmates, so if you didn't get the track you want, you can try to swap it for another.

I have no idea what % of the class tried to rank these tracks. I ranked all 180 tracks and in my top 37 rankings, only 3 of the tracks meet your criteria. It just wasn't important to me, and there were other factors that were ridiculously important. I don't know anybody who looked mostly at whether or not their elective was the last rotation of the year and then ranked those tracks highest. Most people, including myself, looked at the individual sites within each track without a whole lot of regard for the order (except I made sure I had something general like FP or IM before surgery so I had -some- experience before diving into the abyss).

The elective can be done anywhere that will take you, it's just probably easier to setup at core sites. Note that many non-core sites will take 4th year visiting students.

As for new sites, you're probably thinking of garfield (monterey park area) and marian (central california). Supposedly there are going to be residencies opening up at both in 2009. There were a bunch of tracks with both hospitals on our tracklist this year. I don't know a whole lot about either of them, other than at garfield apparently most of your patients only speak chinese.

Question for any COMP students that may know: how hard is it to get a track that has your "free" elective (not primary care elective) right at the end of third year? Can anyone that selects this arrangement get it? Or does the entire class pretty much try and go for this track with the elective at the end, and only a small percentage of the students actually get it? And can this elective be done outside of California?

Also, does anyone have any more concrete info about the 2 hospitals (I think one was Garfield Medical??) that will become sites for COMP students to rotate at? I remember reading something that they were adding a bunch of residency slots, and that they would be sites were COMP students could do rotations, I think next year (or the one after that).

Thanks!
 
It just wasn't important to me, and there were other factors that were ridiculously important.

By this, do you mean selecting tracks with sites that are ward-based?

Do most tracks have a blend of many different sites, or can you pick tracks that allow you to do the majority of your 3rd year rotations between two or three sites only?

Also, how do your grades from 3rd year work? I see that Western has 8 weeks of internal medicine during one block, and then another 4 weeks of internal medicine in another block. So does that mean that you actually get three separate grades for internal medicine (IMI, II, and III), or do they average the three grades and just have one IM grade on your transcript?

Thanks for taking the time to answer.
 
does anyone know how difficult it is to do an OMM fellowship?
 
By this, do you mean selecting tracks with sites that are ward-based?

More or less. I had a few main criteria that I used: 1) surgery at arrowhead 2) NOTHING at chino valley, garfield, or alhambra 3) no patton state or SBC for psych 3) somewhere other than westernu "medical center" for FP 4) OMM within the state, preferably within so cal (surprisingly difficult this year - only about half of the tracks met this criteria) 5) Vacation either over winter break, spring break, or summer so that my wife (who is a teacher) and I can spend some time off together and last but not least 6) no rotations in some dude's office, I have first-hand knowledge that some PDs frown on COMP because traditionally, quite a few students from here either get stuck with, or opt to rotate in some dude's office, which is seen as inadequate. Note that these PDs have other DOs in their programs, they just didn't like COMP because of the "some dude's office" phenomenon.

I ended up with vacation in summer and FP, Surgery, Psych, OB/Gyn, and Peds at Arrowhead because I felt I would get the most exposure there, despite the fact that I'll be commuting 77 miles each way. It was my choice to live on the beach, and my choice to commute that far. The remaining rotations of IM1, IM2, IM3, and elective are all close by. My OMM rotation is in some dude's office, but I could give two ****s about it, and I doubt any PDs will care either.

Do most tracks have a blend of many different sites, or can you pick tracks that allow you to do the majority of your 3rd year rotations between two or three sites only?

It depends, the rotations people like to set things up so that each track has a sampling of different sites because they think this is good :rolleyes:. Some tracks are more homogeneous than others from the start, but it doesn't really matter. Once you get assigned a track, you have a week to trade the entire track with someone else, then another week to trade individual rotations within the track for the same rotation at a different site (for example, you have IM at chino valley in december, they have IM at arrowhead in december - those can be traded).

For your amusement, I have uploaded our original tracklist so you can see first hand: http://www.mediafire.com/?jkgmexx0wyc

Note that practically everyone made at least 1 trade, so the tracks as they are listed there aren't applicable anymore. The legend is on the 2nd tab when you open the spreadsheet.

Also, how do your grades from 3rd year work? I see that Western has 8 weeks of internal medicine during one block, and then another 4 weeks of internal medicine in another block. So does that mean that you actually get three separate grades for internal medicine (IMI, II, and III), or do they average the three grades and just have one IM grade on your transcript?

Each rotation is an individual grade - honors/pass/fail. Most are 10 credit hours with the exception of Peds and OB/Gyn which are 15 each (6 weeks instead of 4). You will have separate grades for each 4 or 6 week rotation, even if you rotate in the same field at the same site multiple times. So yes, you will have 3 separate grades for IMs 1-3.

Thanks for taking the time to answer.

np
 
Cyclo,

That's a great list! I wonder if anyone has anything like that for the NWT. I hear that where your rotations are is always up in the air for the NWT, so I'd like to see something (or even just hear about it) that indicates that actual sites for 3rd year Northwesterners!
 
The NWT list is a little different, and yes based on last year's fiasco they do seem to be up in the air. We'll see how they work out for my colleagues this year. Maybe agreements will solidify in the next few years with the opening of the new campus in Oregon.

Here is the tracklist for NWT, it doesn't contain any information about EXACTLY where the site is, just which cities and how many tracks are available for each. There is another list that contains specific site/physician info, but I'm not sure I want to upload it.

http://www.mediafire.com/?1cytdhogtv2

I can tell you that the sites for Tac/Cent include: franciscan health system and spanaway medical clinic. For Portland: good sam, providence milwaukie hospital, portland surgical specialists. For medford: medford medical clinic, providence medford. The rest seem to be preceptors without a hospital or group listed.


Cyclo,

That's a great list! I wonder if anyone has anything like that for the NWT. I hear that where your rotations are is always up in the air for the NWT, so I'd like to see something (or even just hear about it) that indicates that actual sites for 3rd year Northwesterners!
 
Thank u Cyclo,

That's exactly what I was looking for. I've always been curious about how it works since I knew they had sites all over the place. I'm glad that you stay in basically the same area.

No worries about that specific site/doctor list. I (and I'm assuming my NWT peers as well) are more curious at this point about the setup.


The NWT list is a little different, and yes based on last year's fiasco they do seem to be up in the air. We'll see how they work out for my colleagues this year. Maybe agreements will solidify in the next few years with the opening of the new campus in Oregon.

Here is the tracklist for NWT, it doesn't contain any information about EXACTLY where the site is, just which cities and how many tracks are available for each. There is another list that contains specific site/physician info, but I'm not sure I want to upload it.

http://www.mediafire.com/?1cytdhogtv2

I can tell you that the sites for Tac/Cent include: franciscan health system and spanaway medical clinic. For Portland: good sam, providence milwaukie hospital, portland surgical specialists. For medford: medford medical clinic, providence medford. The rest seem to be preceptors without a hospital or group listed.
 
Cyclo, I assume IM3 is the internal medicine selective. How come the legend lists GI as a possibility, but on the schedule, there is no IM3-GI, only cards/pulm/endo/neuro/geriatrics? Was a GI selective unavailable this year?

Also, regarding trading schedules: you said you can trade the same specialty at the same time, but at a different site. But let's say I have Track 1, but I want to do my Red block (FP/IM3/Surg) third, and Green block (obgyn/ped) first, and keep the other blocks where they are. Is it possible to do this? In other words, would I be able to switch with someone who has the green block the same time I have my red block, even though they are different services at different sites?
 
And does "No Housestaff" = "some dude's office"? If you do an IM month with no housestaff, you are basically taught by one, and only one, IM doc for that whole month?
 
Cyclo, I assume IM3 is the internal medicine selective. How come the legend lists GI as a possibility, but on the schedule, there is no IM3-GI, only cards/pulm/endo/neuro/geriatrics? Was a GI selective unavailable this year?

This was probably just a clerical error in making the legend, obviously if there are no GI options for IM3, its not available this year. That doesn't mean that you can't do GI as your free elective.

Also, regarding trading schedules: you said you can trade the same specialty at the same time, but at a different site. But let's say I have Track 1, but I want to do my Red block (FP/IM3/Surg) third, and Green block (obgyn/ped) first, and keep the other blocks where they are. Is it possible to do this? In other words, would I be able to switch with someone who has the green block the same time I have my red block, even though they are different services at different sites?

You can't switch colored blocks individually, you would have to find an entire track that fights what you want and swap your entire track. The only individual trades that are permitted are vertical (meaning same field, same block, same time, different location).
 
And does "No Housestaff" = "some dude's office"? If you do an IM month with no housestaff, you are basically taught by one, and only one, IM doc for that whole month?

Housestaff means residents. So a site with no housestaff simply doesn't have a residency program in that particular field. There are advantages and disadvantages to this that I will try to illustrate.

I'm doing surgery at arrowhead, mainly because of the huge volume and variety of pathology that goes through there. They have housestaff (residents). As a student, I will see much and do little, since most of the hands-on stuff will be done by housestaff. Personally, for a core rotation I would rather have as much exposure as possible as opposed to getting to do procedures. I can pick procedure heavy sites as electives during 4th year for that.

However, if I chose surgery at downey, the situation would be reversed. They don't have any housestaff, but they also don't get a whole lot of variety. Most surgeries there are elective. However, since there is no housestaff, you are usually 1st assist on all surgeries meaning you get a lot of hands-on experience. Here you will see little and do a lot.

Other advantages of rotating through programs with housestaff are: 1) they have a residency program obivously, and if you make a good impression you have a better shot at getting a spot come match time. 2) you get to see what its like to be a resident and what their duties are. Obviously you're going to be one some day, but if you go to places with no housestaff, you miss out on this experience.

Whether or not you are attached to a single attending depends on the site, sometimes you will work under a couple different attendings, other places its just one. Doesn't really have anything to do with whether they have housestaff or not.

So really, rotating through places with or without housestaff is a complex decision that depends on what your personal interests and goals are. You probably won't know which way you want to go until its time to start picking tracks, and even then most people don't have a clue.
 
Thanks. That was a helpful post. What proportion of the class usually gets one of their top 3 track choices?

Class of 2010
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SoCal - 1st choice (40%), 2nd (15%), 3rd (8%), 4th (5%), 5th (3%), 6th (2%), 7th (4%), 8th (1%), 9th (2%), 10th (1%); [top3 total - 64%; top5 total - 71%; top10 total - 81%]; top 11-20 (8%), top 21-30 (7%), top 31-50 (4%); the worst ranking was a 37th choice.
NWT - Top 1-4 (81%), top 5-9 (3%), top 10-18 (6%), top 19-26 (10%)

Class of 2009
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SoCal - Top 5 (73%), top 6-10 (12%), top 11-20 (6%), top 21-30 (4%), top 22-50 (5%)
NWT - Top 1-4 (43%), top 5-8 (17%), top 9-13 (17%), top 14-25 (17%), top 26-33 (6%)

The software could probably use some work, so as to avoid selecting someone's 37th choice, but it works fairly well now and I don't have the time to help them redesign the algorithm at the moment :)
 
Thank you so much cyclohexanol for all your helpful posts and the time you've put into organizing your advice/statistics!
 
After we submit the FAFSA, do we need to start applying for grad plus or other loans NOW to cover the rest of the cost of attendance? I am confused as to when I need to be searching for additional loans... Someone told me that I need to already have applied for the grad plus loan, but I can't find the link or application anywhere!!??
 
Congrats to all the acceptances :)

I will be a 2nd year DO student at Western this incoming year, and I am looking for a clean and considerate female student to share the apartment w/ me in Chino Hills.

- single room with bathroom for around $700/month starting late June/early July
- the apartment complex is right next to Ranch 99 and has Costco, Target, Albertson and a new shopping mall close by
- Chino Hills is pretty safe compare to Pomona
- the drive to school is around 10 minutes

Contact me if you are interested. Thanks :D
 
I was accepted last week and am so excited to be meeting everyone in the fall!!
What is everyone doing about their living situations?? I know I would like to find a roomate.
 
i was accepted in february but i haven't received ANY info about loans, housing, email....de nada. is this normal?? i've been pestering the admin office about this too...probs shouldn't do that. but i'm suuuper anxious about finding housing and finding MONEY. any insights out there?

yes i agree, cyclo you are t3h awesomez.
 
oh, also, if any 2012ers in norcal wanna get together this summer, holler!
 
i was accepted in february but i haven't received ANY info about loans, housing, email....de nada. is this normal?? i've been pestering the admin office about this too...probs shouldn't do that. but i'm suuuper anxious about finding housing and finding MONEY. any insights out there?

yes i agree, cyclo you are t3h awesomez.

You should've received a letter in the mail that tells you your email address and password, but if you didn't then this might help....

1. type in mail.westernu.edu
2. username is typically first letter of your first name followed by last name
3. password is last two digits of your birthday followed by last four of your social

Once you have your email address, you should contact Kimberley DeKruif at the registrar's office to get your Western BanWeb info, which you need to log in, find rentals and roommate requests. They don't send you any info about housing.

And yeah, we're all anxious about the loans situation. I don't think they've sent out fin aid letters yet, but as long as you filled out FAFSA, you should be fine.

If you're on facebook, come join our group. Search for COMP 2012! See you there :)
 
CONGRATS to c/o 2012!!!!

I'm in the c/o 2008 and graduating in a few weeks! going to USC in june for residency.

I live in a house in Diamond Bar w/ 2 other female DO students and we're looking for 1 more female to move-in. If you're interested, please send me a PM and I'll provide u w/ more details!!! I've lived in this house for all of med school since it's close enough to school and central for most rotation sites.

In regards to additional housing, check on banweb.westernu.edu for some listings. I would NOT live in Pomona- i prefer to live WEST of school nearer to rowland heights/brea. some people prefer to live east (but i try to get away from the inland empire as possible- personal preference).
 
Congrats all class of 2012! I've just joined the ranks of the NWT program at Western's COMP. I'm moving from Washington and have only been to so.cal once! I'm wondering if anyone that's currently going to school at Western has any ideas of which areas are good to live, as we want to rent for the two years we're there. My wife then (we're finalizing the deal the weekend after class starts!) will be working at one of the hospitals East of Pomona, but we have no idea where to live. I've heard San Dimas is a good area, but is it affordable in comparison?

EDIT: I also see some living in the Chino Hills area. How is it there vs. living in Pomona?
 
I've started a Facebook group for all who are interested in joining: "Western University COMP - 2012". It should be a good place to get to know your classmates and find out if your falling behind on class registration, financial aid, housing, etc.

See Ya'll there!
 
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