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Contrary to what I believed, the NAME of your med school matters...

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by chef, Mar 22, 2002.

  1. chef

    chef Senior Member
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    I always believed that even if you go to a non USNews ranked school, if you work hard you'll land a dream residency in derm, ophthy, neuro surg at UCSF, Harvard, Hopkins, etc.

    But going through some websites of residency programs at these places, I realized that the name of your medical school matters. It seems like you'll have to be one of the best students ever at a low ranked school to get into top programs. I hope I'm wrong!! :rolleyes:

    Example:
    NYU Dermatology
    1st yrs
    Johns Hopkins School of Medicine
    New York University School of Medicine
    University of California, San Francisco
    University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine
    Harvard Medical School
    Yale University School of Medicine

    2nd yrs
    Stanford University School of Medicine
    John Hopkins University
    Yale University School of Medicine
    USC School of Medicine
    NYU School of Medicine
    UC San Diego

    3rd yrs
    New York University
    Harvard Medical School
    Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
    Yale University
    Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons
    Cornell University Medical College

    Hopkins Neurosurgery
    1st yrs
    Duke University School of Medicine
    Gibbon Scholars MD/PhD Program Jefferson Medical College
    Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine

    2nd yrs
    Yale University School of Medicine
    Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine
    Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine

    3rd yrs
    Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine
    MDPhD-Northwestern University School of Medicine
    Yale University School of Medicine

    4th
    Harvard Medical School
    Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine
    Emory University School of Medicine

    You get the idea.... <img border="0" alt="[Wowie]" title="" src="graemlins/wowie.gif" />
     
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  3. ValleyGal

    ValleyGal Senior Member
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    The top schools will open doors that the absolute super stars of those lower schools will have to force their way through. Anything is achievable, just easier from different locations. Judging from those programs, the doctors in those residencies were probably the superstars of their classes as well.
     
  4. THE instiGATOR

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    I'm looking at the 2001 match list for USA (the school I will attend). It's not the strongest I've seen, but it has some good matches. There are only 64 people on it, mind you. Some good ones are:

    UCLA, Los Angeles, CA....Pediatrics
    Carraway Methodist-Birmingham, AL....Surgery
    Georgetown University-Washington, DC....Medicine/Pediatrics
    University of Kentucky-Lexington, KY....Radiology
    University of Kentucky-Lexington, KY....Orthopedics
    University of Alabama-Birmingham, AL....Otolaryngology
    Medical College of Georgia-Augusta, GA....Radiology
    USA....Radiology
    USA....Radiology
    Cedars Sinai Medical Center-Los Angeles, CA....Surgery
    University of Cincinnati-Cincinnati, OH....Urology
    USA....Radiology
    Baylor COM-Houston, TX....Surgery
    USA....Radiology
    Carraway Methodist-Birmingham, AL....Surgery
    Johns Hopkins....Fellowship (???)
    USA....Surgery
    University of Cincinnati-Cincinnati, OH....OB/GYN

    Ok, so I'm not the best at evaluating match lists. For a class of 64, though, this looks pretty good! Lots of surgery matches, a Hopkins fellowship (don't know how impressive this is), lots of radiology matches (is radiology tough?), etc...

    I agree that the name of one's school can help, but I think one can get where they want with added work.
     
  5. oldman

    oldman Senior Citizen
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    what is USA?
     
  6. THE instiGATOR

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by oldman:
    <strong>what is USA?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">:mad: University of South Alabama :mad:

    <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
     
  7. lol

    oh my....I thought he meant I am going to go to a medical school in USA...as in United States of America :D <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

    I was like, at least it is not carribean <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
     
  8. Cdc28p

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    I think the name of your med school is really important because there are so few factors for the residency directors to select applicants on. We undergrads have GPAs, MCATs, lots of ECs, letters of rec,... but the 4th-year med students mainly have Step 1 scores, letters, and some ECs. There is not a big gradation in grades due to the prevalence of P/F. A lot of the 4th-years therefore look very similar on paper. So facing with two seemingly equally competent applicants, the residency director will probably go with the one from a better-known school. In other words, compared to the undergrad case, it's more difficult to distinguish oneself from the rest in med school. Therefore, the school name will probably carry more weight.
     
  9. yunfat

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    "What's USA?"
    OUCH! that's tough, Oldman! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
     
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    In choosing NYU Dermatology,You picked the most competitive program in the most competitive spcialty in the US as an example.This is not a typical situation.The residency programs of the top hospitals are filled with grads of average med schools.If you go to this site you can look up Derm matches from abroad range of med schools <a href="http://pub50.ezboard.com/bdermatology" target="_blank">http://pub50.ezboard.com/bdermatology</a> ButYes if you want NYU derm...Hopkins is a good idea!
     
  11. Papa Smurf

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SwampMan:
    <strong>
    Ok, so I'm not the best at evaluating match lists. For a class of 64, though, this looks pretty good! Lots of surgery matches, a Hopkins fellowship (don't know how impressive this is), lots of radiology matches (is radiology tough?), etc...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sorry SwampMan, but surgery matches are nothing special anymore. Surgery has one of the highest % of slots going unfilled lately. Almost 25% of all surgery slots went unfilled in this year's match. Surgery has dropped big time in terms of competitiveness, and will soon be filled with FMG's who aren't given first dibbs when it comes to match like US grads are. Rads is very impressive, as is derm, ENT, optho, etc. Looks like med students are just sick of the typical surgeon's lifestyle these days. Not to mention the ridiculous residency!
     
  12. LizardKing

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    Damn Hopkins takes the cake!
     

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