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I just interviewed there and had some mixed feelings about the place. Are there any cornell students/residents out there who could clarify things about the program for me (work hours, autonomy, pt. caps, teaching, private v. service, etc.). I really liked the residents there, and were it not for the lack of clarity about the aforementioned issues, Cornell would have been in my top three....

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

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anyone? residents? students?...people who rotated there? ....do any other applicants care to share thier perspectives?
 

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I don't go to school there and haven't had my interview yet, but this is what I've heard from some cornell med students:

-great fellowship placement
-great name/reputation (obviously)
-teaching is generally good, but attending dependent. lectures/conferences are great.
-work hours are average
-autonomy is seriously, seriously lacking because there are a lot of private patients.

for me, the lack of autonomy is a serious concern because i'm thinking about general internal medicine, and i'm afraid i won't feel confident enough to go off on my own after residency is over if i've had someone holding my hand all through my training. but i think that if you want to do a fellowship, you'll probably end up being okay because you'll have those extra years of training.

anyway, like i said, i don't go to school there....my info is based just on word of mouth, so it may not be accurate. any cornell med students/residents out there?
 
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I'm a Cornell Resident so hopefully I can answer some of your questions.

Typical day begins between 6-8 for an intern and usually around 7-8 for residents. Interns typically don't work over 80 hours a week. The program is pretty strict at keeping track of your hours. Everyone knows that patient care comes first, so you aren't going to be thrown out of the hospital for working too hard, but there is plenty of back up to help you. The scutwork is a minimum. The nursing varies by floor, but in the unit setting you never draw blood and the nurses are on top of everything. On the floors the nurses might not always draw blood for you, but there is a phlebotomy team and IV team so unless you need the blood draw that second, it will be done, but I draw blood myself all the time because sometimes you want it done immediately so you just do it yourself. You can order EKG's, but they take time to get done so when someone is having chest pain, you do your own ekg's, but I don't think that is a big deal. Transport always takes your patients to tests, you just have to go if it is a unit patient on a monitored bed. Like any other place, every rotation differes, you will work much harder on some than others, but nothing is unreasonable.

The faculty cannot be beat. Although some faculty are more formal, most introduce themselves by their first name. The teaching is attending specific, but for the most part the teaching is great. On the GI service, there is a specific "teaching attending" and the teaching rounds are great. The noon conferences are usually pretty good and intern report is a highlight. There is always food at the conferences which usually isn't the best, but I didn't pick the program for its food. The amount you learn from your fellow housestaff is pretty amazing because the co-residents are smart and more than willing to share their knowledge. The attendings are always willing to talk your ear off about any topic you ask them about and then start telling you about their research. If you want to get involved in research you will find many opportunities. But as with any other place there are always some attendings that just don't teach or people don't like.

As for autonomy, you have plenty of autonomy. The patient's are about half private and half service, but regardless of the attending, they are almost always willing to discuss plans with you and want to know your input and you are an integral part of the decision making. There is a PA service that often covers patients of attendings who don't work well with housestaff and/or there is no teaching benefit for the case.

The residents are super friendly and easy to work with. The physical environment of the work area is great. The hospital is new and clean. Your life outside of work is what you make of it. The housing can't be beat as far as New York City is concerned.

This is a top notch program with top notch residents. Most graduates go into prestigious fellowships. The residents are really nice and a fun bunch. The thing that stands out most is the consistent quality of the housestaff both academically and personally. People really help each other out. If you like New York City, this is a great program. If you don't want to be in a big city, it probably isn't for you. There are plenty of great programs out there with great teaching so go where you think you will be happy. This program has a dedicated housestaff, interesting pathology, great attendings, great housing and a nice hospital.
 

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Thanks for the above info, its nice to hear positive things about the program from a cornell resident. I'm assuming you wrote the scutwork review and are pleased with the program, so thats definitely reassuring. Since you seemed to address most of my previous concerns I was wondering what you felt the drawbacks of the program are? In terms of the limited elective time, when do most people in the program get research / rotations in a particular field done for fellowship apps? Once again, thank you for taking the time to post about the cornell program, im sure your experience will be invaluable to many applicants on this forum!
 

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No problem. I did write the scutwork review. I tried to add some more stuff to answer your other questions. Feel free to ask me whatever and PM me or just write it in the forum in case anyone else has similar questions.

About the elective issue. . .I have 3 weeks scheduled this year with one of those weeks as jeopardy (I can be pulled to cover sick interns, etc). That is a pretty decent amount of elective time, and I can do whatever electives I want (although they are prescheduled based on your preferences, you can change). You can even make up so elective and just get it ok'd by the chief, but most people just do some consult service. Most interns have between 1-3 weeks elective and yes, if I were scheduled for only 1 week I wouldn't be too happy, but I think they try to even things out. Basically the amount of elective time varies, but since the floors are organ based, you get to see all the specialties and meet the different faculty (ie cardiology, GI, oncology, renal, etc). I do know that you get up to 3 months of elective or more as a third year, which might not be as helpful since most people have already matched if they want to do a fellowship, but it does give the opportunity to learn more about one field and/or do research/travel.
 

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i seem to remember from my interview day that one of the residents casually mentioned how there are no "real" caps, so that interns might be carrying >12 patients at a time.

can anyone verify if this true?
 

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synite said:
i seem to remember from my interview day that one of the residents casually mentioned how there are no "real" caps, so that interns might be carrying >12 patients at a time.

can anyone verify if this true?

You know, they kept talking about this at my interview also. The PD said the average census is 12, so sometimes you do have more. Also, at least 3 interns said they carry up to 17 or 20 patients. But then I was confused, because I thought those caps were regulated by the ACGME. Maybe if jimmyjames is still around he can clarify.

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