The ultimate COVID thread

[needledox]

Probably wouldn't be a liberal talking point if not for the fact that actual Nazis endorsed him

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We should take a page out of Germany’s book on how to address the coronavirus

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[Mikkel]

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-03-28/trump-eyes-quarantine-of-new-york-area-to-slow-coronavirus-spread

Looks like Cuomo is pissed that Trump wants to quarantine NY.

 

[needledox]

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-03-28/trump-eyes-quarantine-of-new-york-area-to-slow-coronavirus-spread

Looks like Cuomo is pissed that Trump wants to quarantine NY.

Lmao hysterical

 

[Mikkel]

Lmao hysterical

I can't wait to see FFP's cognitive dissonance on this one.

 

[nimbus]

Did you need to make that so big? And the politics of your comments are quite clear to us. If we open back the country (except NYC) by May 01 the Covid 19 threat should have leveled off. Seniors and others can continue to self-quarantine. People can determine for themselves an acceptable level of risk.

Italy is a few weeks ahead of us and they are nowhere near having this under control. We’ve bungled this worse than they did and our infection and death trajectory shows this. I don’t like to make predictions but we will be nowhere near opening things up by May 1.

 

[nimbus]

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2020-03-28/trump-eyes-quarantine-of-new-york-area-to-slow-coronavirus-spread

Looks like Cuomo is pissed that Trump wants to quarantine NY.

Trump backtracked as usual...Just as he’s done multiple times with Xi.

 

[nimbus]

call me what you want, but losing 3-4K elderly immunocompromised people is natural selection and has been occurring for 10s of thousands of years.

why bring the country to its knees and potentially alter the lives of our kids?

This didn’t age well

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

We literally didn't have BASIC MASKS available for a few days except a small stash for confirmed patients with COVID, and when we finally got some they weren't medical grade. We have ZERO face shields. For-profit healthcare and shortsighted governance have combined to create a situation that is putting our lives in danger every damn day

Politicians have gotten us 25 trillion in debt, zero interest rates, and a Fed printing press holding all this together by a thread. I can assure you them being in charge of Healthcare would not produce better results.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

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One can't compare (the) Obama and Trump (families), as IQ and character go. It's apples and garbages. Trump has a fantastic political instinct, but so do Mob dons (that's how they stay alive and out of prison). That doesn't make him good for his country. His values (and person) are corrupt. Character is destiny, and one can see it in both men's life and presidential histories. The Trump administration is like the North Korean communist party, full of worthless career apparatchiks and personality cultists, and THAT's what we are seeing at every step of this crisis. People get their jobs based not on competence, but on how far they would go for Trump (like in the Mafia), not for the country. People like that are always afraid to speak truth to power and almost never do the right thing. When one sees respected republican politicians become court sycophants overnight, one should be very afraid for this country. And yes, we do need the media to point that out, because some people can't see the obvious even if sits on top of their noses and has the size of a potato. It's the FREE PRESS that has kept this country FREE for more than two centuries.

I personally don't need the media to tell me about Obama. I found the man absolutely charismatic since I first heard him, and that was back when he was not even a presidential candidate. I don't fall in love with politicians; they are imperfect human beings. Warren is also a Harvard university professor and I can't stand her. But there is something about Obama (and also about Merkel) that reminds one of great statesmen. When he speaks off script, you can see how he's measuring every word or, as my wife says, you can see the wheels turning in his head. The man is simply intelligent, and it's a pleasure to listen to, and seems to be a decent human being, like his wife. He wasn't as good of a president as his supporters hoped (a lot of executive orders and Patriot Act-type garbage, which started with Bush by the way), but he was downright Lincoln-ish when compared to Trump. And he was one of US, the kind of person that shops in a grocery store, not one of THEM, the kind that couldn't tell you the price of milk.

I find you one of the brightest guys on here, but.... after acknowledging Trump has more disorders than an entire psych hospital and a maturation stuck at about the level of Beavis and Butthead, I found nothing genius about Obama. Never understood the cool factor either, but that's unimportant. I feel like if I had conversations with Obama I wouldn't learn much of anything from him. There's a glaring reason he never released his grades and test scores (his massive ego would have released those in a flash if they were stellar). They would just be your run of the mill bright compared to society but average at best for his schooling. Calm, cool under fire, mature, but nothing genius about him. And since you say Obamas, pleural, no, I just hear angry when I hear Michelle.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

That's how the German Jews thought about Hitler, too (sorry about bringing him up, but Trump's tactics make him stare one in the face, historically). And that's how many autocrats come to power, including Putin.

There is this concept of second-order (or -level) thinking, that most unsuccessful people seem to lack. To make a parallel with chess, one doesn't simply think just about the next move, but about many moves ahead. It makes one analyze the long-term consequences of every decision. As in: we elect Trump, to protect our interests, then what? I would like all the intelligent people who are considering voting for Trump think about the "then what?" at many levels, because this may be the last time in their lives America is still great and free. and unlike a third-world autocratic fiefdom.

I find the left infinitely more threatening to freedom than Trump. You don't get physically harassed or verbally abused if you voted for Hillary. Let me know the last time a right wing gathering ended up with broken windows, looting, rioting etc (please don't bring up the jack*ss in Charlottesville that drove his car in reverse. Campuses and cities get destroyed when the left goes coocoo, but they always bring up the jack*ss in Charlottesville as some kind of balance).

 

[vector2]

Right wing nutjobs don't do too much damage during their gatherings. They disperse and then some cowardly piece of sht pulls an El Paso, Pittsburgh synagogue, Charleston SC black church, or New Zealand mosque shooting. I mean, is anyone surprised to learn that in the two decades after 9/11, right wing terrorism has killed more US citizens on US soil than jihadis?

 

[vector2]

Speaking of economics, particularly foreign aid...




That certainly didn't age well

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

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I think one loses credibility with completely dishonest distortions like this.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

Right wing nutjobs don't do too much damage during their gatherings. They disperse and then some cowardly piece of sht pulls an El Paso, Pittsburgh synagogue, Charleston SC black church, or New Zealand mosque shooting. I mean, is anyone surprised to learn that in the two decades after 9/11, right wing terrorism has killed more US citizens on US soil than jihadis?

Just the fact that you have to bring up occasional LONE people and can't find one riotous right wing group is an admission that I'm right. As if somehow some LONE racist nutjob in SC represents conservatives. Where's his support team and sympathizers?

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

I think it's clear that the Democrat party has now become the American Nazi party: national socialists, willing to silence their political enemies, willing to defend those who suppress free speech, willing and wanting to disarm the public to make them defenseless against the State, expanding abortion to get rid of low socioeconomic "undesirables", and blaming all evils on a specific group of people (not Jews like the national socialists in the 30s...).

That's not exactly PC, but definitely has a good bit of truth to it. If you don't agree with the left you are viciously decimated. No doubt they are the threat to freedom.

 

[nimbus]

Just the fact that you have to bring up occasional LONE people and can't find one riotous right wing group is an admission that I'm right. As if somehow some LONE racist nutjob in SC represents conservatives. Where's his support team and sympathizers?

I would post the link but the last time I did that the mods deleted it. Linking to hate groups is against SDN TOS. But you can find them yourself. There are plenty of white nationalist and white supremacist groups and they are easy to find. If you dig around you’ll find that doctors are fairly well represented there.

 

[nimbus]

Just the fact that you have to bring up occasional LONE people and can't find one riotous right wing group is an admission that I'm right. As if somehow some LONE racist nutjob in SC represents conservatives. Where's his support team and sympathizers?

Here’s a list from SPLC. He’s not alone.

Hate Map

Subscribe to the https://soundslikehate.org/">Sounds Like Hate podcast to learn more about hate groups like the Proud Boys.

www.splcenter.org

 

[vector2]

Just the fact that you have to bring up occasional LONE people and can't find one riotous right wing group is an admission that I'm right. As if somehow some LONE racist nutjob in SC represents conservatives. Where's his support team and sympathizers?

Support team? You're posting on the internet as we speak so I assume you've heard of the internet?

Also

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Riotlandia: Why Portland Has Become the Epicenter of Far-Right Violence

Police complicity and politicians’ inaction have allowed groups like the Proud Boys to stage violent spectacles again and again.

theintercept.com

Two Years Ago, They Marched in Charlottesville. Where Are They Now?

www.adl.org

Also also, do you realize how dumb your loner argument is? Maybe you just havent heard that all these shooters wrote super racist right wing manifestos? Your "argument" is the equivalent of you trying to say there isn't an Islamist terror movement because there was only one guy with a bomb strapped to himself in the marketplace.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

when do y’all expect the real estate market to go down? I’m finishing up residency and was planning on buying a home but now I think I’ll wait..

I have not read through this thread, so sorry if this was discussed..

I would say bigly. But we are also devaluing the currency at record pace. So somewhere after the crash everything will start to get more expensive.

 

[deleted59964]

when do y’all expect the real estate market to go down? I’m finishing up residency and was planning on buying a home but now I think I’ll wait..

I have not read through this thread, so sorry if this was discussed..

since you're talking economics , I expect it's already going down - it is here.
We normally sell houses by auction in our big cities, and you can tell how hot the market is by the clearance rate ... 3 weeks ago it was pumping at 75+% now it's about 35% ... I'm a long way away from you, but I can't see why your real estate won't behave the same way.

If you've got an investment property, I'd only sell if I had to - otherwise hold for the long term.

 

[nimbus]

I see a lot of houses falling out of contract in my area but no decline in the inflated prices yet.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

Support team? You're posting on the internet as we speak so I assume you've heard of the internet?

Also

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

Riotlandia: Why Portland Has Become the Epicenter of Far-Right Violence

Police complicity and politicians’ inaction have allowed groups like the Proud Boys to stage violent spectacles again and again.

theintercept.com

Two Years Ago, They Marched in Charlottesville. Where Are They Now?

www.adl.org

Also also, do you realize how dumb your loner argument is? Maybe you just havent heard that all these shooters wrote super racist right wing manifestos? Your "argument" is the equivalent of you trying to say there isn't an Islamist terror movement because there was only one guy with a bomb strapped to himself in the marketplace.

Do you realize how non intelligent (I won't refer to you as dumb) your fear of white supremicists is? I am of background where I couldn't get in their clique if I wanted to, and my concern still is close to zero. Turn off the cable. Cities like mine have crazy crime problems and I've yet to see a guy in a white sheet leading the 11pm local news. I've yet to see a guy in a white sheet show up in our neighborhood crime reports or anybody's security or ring doorbell videos. Talk about irrational fears.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

This didn’t age well

We've been shut down a week. Wayyy too early to make a judgement. The worst case socio/political/economic scenario dwarfs worst case viral scenario.

 

[vector2]

Do you realize how non intelligent (I won't refer to you as dumb) your fear of white supremicists is? I am of background where I couldn't get in their clique if I wanted to, and my concern still is close to zero. Turn off the cable. Cities like mine have crazy crime problems and I've yet to see a guy in a white sheet leading the 11pm local news. I've yet to see a guy in a white sheet show up in our neighborhood crime reports or anybody's security or ring doorbell videos. Talk about irrational fears.

Shifting goal posts much now? You asked where the right wing violence was and I showed you. End of story. I know it's an uncomfortable thing to face, so feel free to do some change-the-subject-bury-head-in-sand action if it makes you feel better.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

I wasn't advocating total shutdown of the country. Only of cities with confirmed cases.

Anyone returning from an endemic country would be quarantined, period. No docking of ships from endemic countries. Divert funding immediately to the CDC and private corporations to develop and deploy rapid on-site testing. Start ordering PPE en masse from companiea once cases crossed 3,000 in China, along with consulting with international experts on what supplies will be needed and what measures should be taken. Order ventilators and start preparing military for stateside deployment to assist with crisis. Conduct full evaluation of stockpiles and what facilities can be utilized for quarantine and hospital overflow. Make it very clear to the public that we are preparing for war against an invisible enemy, and that we will not be able to stop it, but through early measures we can buy ourselves time to prepare.

Had all of this been done earlier, we could have bought ourselves time and spent billions to save trillions. The ultimate purpose of buying time is to ensure we're have adequate supplies before it becomes fully endemic and starts to overwhelm the health care system. Two months, three months, four months of massively increased production could have helped us greatly. Instead he squandered the crucial early response, which, if you read any history book about literally any pandemic, is THE response that matters.

Since every Western country is drowning right now I refuse to believe every other president would be doing much better, and certainly not the last two, Obama and Bush. To get the Asian strict discipline systematic response I think we'd need an Eisenhower type General President.

I also feel we are grossly underestimating the civil unrest potential. Yes, I'm somewhat "one of those guys" (without the bunker, full armory, and 2 years of stored canned food), but open your eyes. Prisons emptied, laws no longer enforced, 10% of NYPD calling in sick, massive layoffs, shortages already (it ain't just due to hoarders folks), a huge spending program that gave a few crumbs to the struggling, and a broke government resorting to massive inflation of the currency. If this keeps up she's gonna blow. Just a spark anywhere and you could get days or weeks of looting and rioting.

 

[Mad Jack]

Politicians have gotten us 25 trillion in debt, zero interest rates, and a Fed printing press holding all this together by a thread. I can assure you them being in charge of Healthcare would not produce better results.

None of this would have spiraled if things had been handled properly from the start

 

[Mad Jack]

Since every Western country is drowning right now I refuse to believe every other president would be doing much better, and certainly not the last two, Obama and Bush. To get the Asian strict discipline systematic response I think we'd need an Eisenhower type General President.

I also feel we are grossly underestimating the civil unrest potential. Yes, I'm somewhat "one of those guys" (without the bunker, full armory, and 2 years of stored canned food), but open your eyes. Prisons emptied, laws no longer enforced, 10% of NYPD calling in sick, massive layoffs, shortages already (it ain't just due to hoarders folks), a huge spending program that gave a few crumbs to the struggling, and a broke government resorting to massive inflation of the currency. If this keeps up she's gonna blow. Just a spark anywhere and you could get days or weeks of looting and rioting.

That's why you want federally enforced quarantines with military presence early on

 

[needledox]

I would post the link but the last time I did that the mods deleted it. Linking to hate groups is against SDN TOS. But you can find them yourself. There are plenty of white nationalist and white supremacist groups and they are easy to find. If you dig around you’ll find that doctors are fairly well represented there.

Just a fact, the extremists on the left outnumber those on the right by a wide margin. It’s not even close

 

[needledox]

Since every Western country is drowning right now I refuse to believe every other president would be doing much better, and certainly not the last two, Obama and Bush. To get the Asian strict discipline systematic response I think we'd need an Eisenhower type General President.

I also feel we are grossly underestimating the civil unrest potential. Yes, I'm somewhat "one of those guys" (without the bunker, full armory, and 2 years of stored canned food), but open your eyes. Prisons emptied, laws no longer enforced, 10% of NYPD calling in sick, massive layoffs, shortages already (it ain't just due to hoarders folks), a huge spending program that gave a few crumbs to the struggling, and a broke government resorting to massive inflation of the currency. If this keeps up she's gonna blow. Just a spark anywhere and you could get days or weeks of looting and rioting.

When civil unrest sets in, many many more will die from instability than the virus. It will be pure chaos.

Vector and FFP will be begging for a staunch right wing leader to bring us out of the depths of hell

 

[Mikkel]

None of this would have spiraled if things had been handled properly from the start

Which is China's fault. Glad you finally acknowledged reality.

 

[Mad Jack]

Which is China's fault. Glad you finally acknowledged reality.

China mishandled things early on, certainly. There's no doubt about that. But our response when it gets here is up to us, not China. If you're in an apartment building that is on fire, it doesn't matter that the guy in unit 38B started it, it's your responsibility to make yourself safe. Trump did the equivalent of telling everyone "things are fine, it's probably just a prank, that guy in 38B with his cooking, it's always got a lot of smoke, stay calm everyone this will go away, let's just make sure the fire doors are closed" while the fire engulfed the building around us

 

[needledox]

Which is China's fault. Glad you finally acknowledged reality.

Though I’m not surprised, I’m shocked people are so forgiving to China on this one. Lucky for them, they have the Anti-Trump media running interference

Boris Johnson's government is reportedly furious with China and believes it could have 40 times more coronavirus cases than it claims

UK government sources quoted on Sunday say China faces a "reckoning" over its handling of the coronavirus crisis.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Mikkel]

China mishandled things early on, certainly. There's no doubt about that. But our response when it gets here is up to us, not China. If you're in an apartment building that is on fire, it doesn't matter that the guy in unit 38B started it, it's your responsibility to make yourself safe. Trump did the equivalent of telling everyone "things are fine, it's probably just a prank, that guy in 38B with his cooking, it's always got a lot of smoke, stay calm everyone this will go away, let's just make sure the fire doors are closed" while the fire engulfed the building around us

We went over this already. The USA had no widespread testing infrastructure, just like with Obama and Bush, despite SARS in 2002. All it takes is ONE asymptomatic carrier and the virus is introduced within our borders.

Sorry to say, but this was going to happen.

The only thing that could have mitigated this is if the Democrats didn't slam everything Trump does as racist, then maybe New York politicians wouldn't have advocated for their entire population to take the subway to Chinatown for the parade and parties as of a few weeks ago.

 

[Mikkel]

Though I’m not surprised, I’m shocked people are so forgiving to China on this one. Lucky for them, they have the Anti-Trump media running interference

Boris Johnson's government is reportedly furious with China and believes it could have 40 times more coronavirus cases than it claims

UK government sources quoted on Sunday say China faces a "reckoning" over its handling of the coronavirus crisis.

www.yahoo.com

It's sad that you have a bunch of members here running defense for China. All this "it's all Trump's fault" is literally straight from the propaganda arm of the Chinese communist party. A century ago it would have been treason to fight against the federal government on behalf of an enemy foreign country.

 

[Mikkel]

China mishandled things early on, certainly. There's no doubt about that. But our response when it gets here is up to us, not China. If you're in an apartment building that is on fire, it doesn't matter that the guy in unit 38B started it, it's your responsibility to make yourself safe. Trump did the equivalent of telling everyone "things are fine, it's probably just a prank, that guy in 38B with his cooking, it's always got a lot of smoke, stay calm everyone this will go away, let's just make sure the fire doors are closed" while the fire engulfed the building around us

Actually, Trump shut down travel from China in January and Europe in February.

What did New York politicians do instead? ENCOURAGED EVERYONE TO GO TO CHINATOWN TO BE EXPOSED TO A "NONEXISTENT" VIRUS.

Sorry, but the situation in New York is 100% the fault of Cuomo, Deblazio, and all the other politicians there. Even the public health commissioner.

 

[BLADEMDA]

Right wing nutjobs don't do too much damage during their gatherings. They disperse and then some cowardly piece of sht pulls an El Paso, Pittsburgh synagogue, Charleston SC black church, or New Zealand mosque shooting. I mean, is anyone surprised to learn that in the two decades after 9/11, right wing terrorism has killed more US citizens on US soil than jihadis?

I thought this thread was about the Coronavirus/Covid 19? Do you think right wing extremists are going to attack Americans, Blacks or Jews, during this crisis? Throughout the history of the USA right wing extremism has existed. I would argue that today the threat from them is significantly reduced vs just 30 years ago. Yes, hate and extremists do exist. They are real. But, they are a tiny fraction of our society. Antifa is just as much a threat these days IMHO. Crazy left wing zealots causing as much harm as the right wing nut jobs. Antifa is on the rise and that is real as well.

Opinion | Antifa Attacks a Journalist

Andy Ngo is beaten as he attempts to cover a Portland protest.

www.wsj.com

Antifa's deadly year shows the extremism on the far left | Opinion

The threats from the far right are real and undeniable, but there is far-left violence, too. Americans don't seem to recognize that.

www.newsweek.com

 

[BLADEMDA]

The violence and rhetoric from the extreme left is real. The hatred against Trump and his supporters is dangerous. Even on SDN one can feel the hatred in many of the posts.

After Nearly Dying At The Hand Of A 'Bernie Bro,' Steve Scalise Attests To Their Violence

Steve Scalise deftly shushed Minnesota AG Keith Ellison on Twitter Thursday over Ellison's ignorant Tweet challenging the violent nature of Bernie Bros.

thefederalist.com

 

[Arch Guillotti]

The violence and rhetoric from the extreme left is real. The hatred against Trump and his supporters is dangerous. Even on SDN one can feel the hatred in many of the posts.

After Nearly Dying At The Hand Of A 'Bernie Bro,' Steve Scalise Attests To Their Violence

Steve Scalise deftly shushed Minnesota AG Keith Ellison on Twitter Thursday over Ellison's ignorant Tweet challenging the violent nature of Bernie Bros.

thefederalist.com

lol Blade the irony in your post is awesome!

 

[Mad Jack]

We went over this already. The USA had no widespread testing infrastructure, just like with Obama and Bush, despite SARS in 2002. All it takes is ONE asymptomatic carrier and the virus is introduced within our borders.

Sorry to say, but this was going to happen.

The only thing that could have mitigated this is if the Democrats didn't slam everything Trump does as racist, then maybe New York politicians wouldn't have advocated for their entire population to take the subway to Chinatown for the parade and parties as of a few weeks ago.

You don't get a free pass as president of the United States because of what the guys before you did. He has had three years to do what needs to be done, and in that time he has cut the infrastructure that would stop pandemics rather than strengthening it. If you're a general and you send your men into a fruitless battle to die, it doesn't matter that you didn't start the war or that strategies were developed by your forebears. You were the one that fumbled the decisions. He had the power to change things and he did not, period. End of discussion.

He is also the biggest player in the room and could have forced these places that wouldn't vote for him anyway to comply. If he was pandering with a soft approach then that is on him for being a weak president.

 

[Mad Jack]

Actually, Trump shut down travel from China in January and Europe in February.

What did New York politicians do instead? ENCOURAGED EVERYONE TO GO TO CHINATOWN TO BE EXPOSED TO A "NONEXISTENT" VIRUS.

Sorry, but the situation in New York is 100% the fault of Cuomo, Deblazio, and all the other politicians there. Even the public health commissioner.

Jan. 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine.” — Trump in a CNBC interview.

Jan. 30: “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five — and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for us … that I can assure you.” — Trump in a speech in Michigan.

Feb. 10: “Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape though. We have 12 cases — 11 cases, and many of them are in good shape now.” — Trump at the White House. (See our item “Will the New Coronavirus ‘Go Away’ in April?“)

Feb. 14: “There’s a theory that, in April, when it gets warm — historically, that has been able to kill the virus. So we don’t know yet; we’re not sure yet. But that’s around the corner.” — Trump in speaking to National Border Patrol Council members.

Feb. 23: “We have it very much under control in this country.” — Trump in speaking to reporters.

Feb. 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” — Trump in a tweet.

Feb. 26: “So we’re at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list, so that we’re going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time. So we’ve had very good luck.” — Trump at a White House briefing.

Feb. 26: “And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” — Trump at a press conference.

Feb. 26: “I think every aspect of our society should be prepared. I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” — Trump at a press conference, when asked if “U.S. schools should be preparing for a coronavirus spreading.”

Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” — Trump at a White House meeting with African American leaders.

Feb. 29: “And I’ve gotten to know these professionals. They’re incredible. And everything is under control. I mean, they’re very, very cool. They’ve done it, and they’ve done it well. Everything is really under control.” — Trump in a speech at the CPAC conference outside Washington, D.C.

March 4: “[W]e have a very small number of people in this country [infected]. We have a big country. The biggest impact we had was when we took the 40-plus people [from a cruise ship]. … We brought them back. We immediately quarantined them. But you add that to the numbers. But if you don’t add that to the numbers, we’re talking about very small numbers in the United States.” — Trump at a White House meeting with airline CEOs.

March 4: “Well, I think the 3.4% is really a false number.” — Trump in an interview on Fox News, referring to the percentage of diagnosed COVID-19 patients worldwide who had died, as reported by the World Health Organization. (See our item “Trump and the Coronavirus Death Rate.”)

March 7: “No, I’m not concerned at all. No, we’ve done a great job with it.” — Trump, when asked by reporters if he was concerned about the arrival of the coronavirus in the Washington, D.C., area.

March 9: “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!” — Trump in a tweet.

March 10: “And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.” — Trump after meetingwith Republican senators.

 

[BLADEMDA]

lol Blade the irony in your post is awesome!

I don't hate Bernie supporters. They are misguided, misinformed people who have not studied world history. I do not wish any of them ill-will. I have no issues with anyone voting for the candidate of his/her choice but the notion that we can't disagree with each other in a respectful manner is wrong.

TDS has infected the media and SDN. Trump is above all a "salesman" who likes to put his spin on everything. He is far from the perfect President but blaming him for Covid 19 is ridiculous. Could he have done a better job a month ago? Maybe. But, remember we ALL rely on the media to keep our politicians focused on those things that matter. The media is central to our free society. They hold our elected leaders feet to the fire. Only Tucker Carlson was sounding the alarm on Fox a month ago. To be honest, I ignored much of what he had to say on the subject since the rest of the media didn't seem concerned at all.

Obama failed as much as Trump to prepare us for this crisis. Obama had 8 years in office and 2 health scares to get the USA ready. We as a nation bear the responsibility for our current predicament because previous epidemics never really materialized to any great degree. Our complacency has now come home to roost.

 

[GravelRider]

I don't hate Bernie supporters. They are misguided, misinformed people who have not studied world history. I do not wish any of them ill-will. I have no issues with anyone voting for the candidate of his/her choice but the notion that we can't disagree with each other in a respectful manner is wrong.

TDS has infected the media and SDN. Trump is above all a "salesman" who likes to put his spin on everything. He is far from the perfect President but blaming him for Covid 19 is ridiculous. Could he have done a better job a month ago? Maybe. But, remember we ALL rely on the media to keep our politicians focused on those things that matter. The media is central to our free society. They hold our elected leaders feet to the fire. Only Tucker Carlson was sounding the alarm on Fox a month ago. To be honest, I ignored much of what he had to say on the subject since the rest of the media didn't seem concerned at all.

Obama failed as much as Trump to prepare us for this crisis. Obama had 8 years in office and 2 health scares to get the USA ready. We as a nation bear the responsibility for our current predicament because previous epidemics never really materialized to any great degree. Our complacency has now come home to roost.

We can’t blame Trump, but we can blame Obama? Have you considered proofreading before you post?

 

[Mad Jack]

I don't hate Bernie supporters. They are misguided, misinformed people who have not studied world history. I do not wish any of them ill-will. I have no issues with anyone voting for the candidate of his/her choice but the notion that we can't disagree with each other in a respectful manner is wrong.

TDS has infected the media and SDN. Trump is above all a "salesman" who likes to put his spin on everything. He is far from the perfect President but blaming him for Covid 19 is ridiculous. Could he have done a better job a month ago? Maybe. But, remember we ALL rely on the media to keep our politicians focused on those things that matter. The media is central to our free society. They hold our elected leaders feet to the fire. Only Tucker Carlson was sounding the alarm on Fox a month ago. To be honest, I ignored much of what he had to say on the subject since the rest of the media didn't seem concerned at all.

Obama failed as much as Trump to prepare us for this crisis. Obama had 8 years in office and 2 health scares to get the USA ready. We as a nation bear the responsibility for our current predicament because previous epidemics never really materialized to any great degree. Our complacency has now come home to roost.

The buck stops at Trump, period. Excuses do not change that. It is his job to right the wrongs he has inherited, as it is the job of every president. COVID is not his fault, but his poor response has exacerbated it.

Obama inherited a recession. His response was his own.

Bush inherited a world in flux that led to 9/11 and all of its consequences. His response was his own.

 

[BLADEMDA]

We can’t blame Trump, but we can blame Obama? Have you considered proofreading before you post?

Is that how you read my post? Or, is your TDS getting in the way of understanding the nation didn't prepare well under Obama (8 years) or Trump.
The media also failed in getting out the warning early to people in the USA.

 

[Mad Jack]

We can’t blame Trump, but we can blame Obama? Have you considered proofreading before you post?

I feel like everyone deflecting from Trump to blame Obama fails to see the irony in what they are doing. Had this occurred a couple of months into his presidency, I would definitely give them a pass. But we are almost near the end of his four year term. And ultimately, just as in medicine, Trump is in a hierarchy. It is his *job* to be in command and to lead things properly. If things fail and mistakes are made, the fault doesn't go to the system that created the policies or the staff that were getting orders, it goes to the physician whom placed the orders and led the care. It is our job to be better, to be responsible when others are not, to lead and take responsibility. If the President of the United States cannot be held to account for his own response and actions, who can be held responsible for anything in this world?

 

[Mad Jack]

Is that how you read my post? Or, is your TDS getting in the way of understanding the nation didn't prepare well under Obama (8 years) or Trump.
The media also failed in getting out the warning early to people in the USA.

I don't know what planet you were living on, everything popping up in my feed for months was nothing but doom and gloom since January. Only Fox seemed to be brushing it off

 

[BLADEMDA]

Scientists were close to a coronavirus vaccine years ago. Then the money dried up.

"We just could not generate much interest," a researcher said of the difficulty in getting funding to test the vaccine in humans.

www.nbcnews.com

This is from NBC, a liberal news outlet, explaining that previous administrations did not give the funding necessary to help create a vaccine.

 

[GravelRider]

Is that how you read my post? Or, is your TDS getting in the way of understanding the nation didn't prepare well under Obama (8 years) or Trump.
The media also failed in getting out the warning early to people in the USA.

So do you have ODS?

I can post a million articles here showing you how poorly Trump responded to this and how he continually ignored experts and you will just say “liberal media.” So what’s the point? You can create whatever world you want to live in.

Can I ask a question : Where does the weird Trump loyalty come from to the point where you can’t even criticize the guy? Is it guns? Is it tax cuts? Is it simply herd mentality from social media? I honestly don’t get it.

 

[BLADEMDA]

So do you have ODS?

I can post a million articles here showing you how poorly Trump responded to this and how he continually ignored experts and you will just say “liberal media.” So what’s the point? You can create whatever world you want to live in.

Can I ask a question : Where does the weird Trump loyalty come from to the point where you can’t even criticize the guy? Is it guns? Is it tax cuts? Is it simply herd mentality from social media? I honestly don’t get it.

Nobody I knew ever blamed Obama for the Epidemics/Pandemics on his watch. Presidents have little to nothing to do with these outbreaks. Trump has been following the recommendations of his experts. This is exactly what Obama would have done whether you believe it or not.

As for criticizing Trump this thread is about Covid 19 and IMHO, he has handled this outbreak fairly well. The lack of test kits has been the primary issue and we should have imported those from South Korea weeks ago.

 

[vector2]

I thought this thread was about the Coronavirus/Covid 19? Do you think right wing extremists are going to attack Americans, Blacks or Jews, during this crisis? Throughout the history of the USA right wing extremism has existed. I would argue that today the threat from them is significantly reduced vs just 30 years ago. Yes, hate and extremists do exist. They are real. But, they are a tiny fraction of our society. Antifa is just as much a threat these days IMHO. Crazy left wing zealots causing as much harm as the right wing nut jobs. Antifa is on the rise and that is real as well.

Opinion | Antifa Attacks a Journalist

Andy Ngo is beaten as he attempts to cover a Portland protest.

www.wsj.com

Antifa's deadly year shows the extremism on the far left | Opinion

The threats from the far right are real and undeniable, but there is far-left violence, too. Americans don't seem to recognize that.

www.newsweek.com

Yea, I thought it was a COVID thread too, but it didn't seem right to let it just stand when a poster tried to equate a neonazi running over a bunch of people in Charlottesville with liberal kids shouting down loudmouths on college campuses. Then he asked for examples of right-wing violence as if it didn't obviously exist, and I provided it- so take up your thread derailing grievance with him.

And yes, it was perfectly predictable that you were gonna bring up antifa or BLM or whatever right wing talking point that you could google. Never you mind that we still have an actual neonazi working in the WH as we speak.. And never you mind that all the actual data quantitatively shows what the problem is.

Everything with you guys has gotta be a false equivalency or some kind of whataboutism nowadays. Oh, Trump did something? But what about Obama? Oh, almost every domestic terror incident is committed by a racist right-wing ideologue? But what about the couple fringe incidents that weren't actually condoned by the organizations which have the laudable goals of stopping fascism and addressing police violence in black communities?

Are you able to even once let someone you support just stand on his own merits when he has been (quite justly) criticized?