Craniofacial Fellowship Question

[Xigris14]

I need your help everyone. Can anyone provide info about Dr. Costello,Posnick,or Dr. Horswell fellowship. Im looking for info such as stipend,volume and type of cases a fellow completes, and competition with other specialist at the program. I would also like to know if one of these fellowships incorporates trauma and facial cosmetics. Thanks everyone for your help.

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[Dr.Millisevert]

I need your help everyone. Can anyone provide info about Dr. Costello,Posnick,or Dr. Horswell fellowship. Im looking for info such as stipend,volume and type of cases a fellow completes, and competition with other specialist at the program. I would also like to know if one of these fellowships incorporates trauma and facial cosmetics. Thanks everyone for your help.

Also, don't forget about the Craniofacial surgery fellowship at the Royal Children's hospital in Melbourne, Australia. It accepts applications from both Plastic and OMFS trained surgeons. Quite a few American OMFS have completed the fellowship including the program director and chair of Oklahoma's program, one faculty member from UCSF, and plenty of others I can't remember at the moment.

 

[LSU-Cowboy]

I need your help everyone. Can anyone provide info about Dr. Costello,Posnick,or Dr. Horswell fellowship. Im looking for info such as stipend,volume and type of cases a fellow completes, and competition with other specialist at the program. I would also like to know if one of these fellowships incorporates trauma and facial cosmetics. Thanks everyone for your help.

Also, Ramon Ruiz is starting one in Orlando...i think this is going to be his first year...

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

Lets start a comprehensive list of Craniofacial fellowships available to OMS:


- Georgetown, Washington, DC
- University of Pittsburgh
- Orlando, Florida
- Charleston, West Virginia
- Plaza de los Misterios Muncipio de Huixquilacan, Mexico
- Harvard (pediatric maxillofacial/ some craniofacial)
- Sick Kids Hosp, Toronto, Canada
- Royal Children's Hospital in Liverpool, England
- Oxford Craniofacial Unit, Oxford, England
- Birmingham Children's Hosp, Birmingham Craniofacial Unit, England
- Chang-Gung Hosp, Taiwan
- Manuel Gea Gonzalez Hosp, Mexico City, Mexico
- Wilhelms University, Muenster, Germany


Anyone who has information on each of these fellowships, please edit this post and include whatever information you have.


We should do the same for Oncology/Reconstructive fellowships and Cosmetic fellowships as well and sticky them.

 

[Xigris14]

Here is some info about Dr. Horswell Fellowship:
Do a regular stream of trauma being the only service to cover that here. Your experience will include a regular "dose" of that in terms of significant or major trauma, for the most part.
Most of the time is spent with me seeing my patients, of which half are paediatric, the remainder trauma/reconstructive, cosmetic, bits of this and that.
Dr. Wise, our partner at the trauma hospital, has a fairly consistent flow of cosmetic patients which the fellow is welcome to participate in.
The fellow operates as an assistant with me for the first 3-6 months, then takes on the role as operator as experience and skills dictate. Ultimately, the fellow operates several primary lips, palates, secondary revisions, distractions, cleft rhinoplasties etc.

Dr. Posnick fellowship info:
The philosophy of the fellowship experience is to enhance skills in: facial aesthetic analysis; assessment of head and neck function; and the patient-doctor relationship.
Patients are followed through their initial consultation, clinical studies and further consultations, collaborative treatment, immediate preoperative workup; operation, postoperative care and long-term follow-up.
Clinical activities revolve around the evaluation and treatment of dentofacial, facial aesthetic and cleft lip and palate issues.
The fellows time may also be spent with other clinicians, including an oculo-plastic surgeon, facial plastic surgeon, dermatologic surgeon, otolaryngologist/head and neck surgeon, speech and language pathologist, and orthodontists.
There are teaching opportunities with a rotating senior level Oral and Maxillofacial surgery resident, monthly lecture/discussion sessions with an orthodontic training program, monthly lecture/discussion sessions with the Pediatric training program, and a monthly orthodontic and surgical resident orthognathic conference.
All past fellows have collaborated on manuscripts that have been published in textbooks and/or journals.

I will update later more info about Ruiz,Costello as I get them. Anyone else with info about craniofacial surgery fellowships including volume of cases,scope of the fellowship..salary as attending, please post so other may benefit from this information. Thank you.

 

[Xigris14]

Anyone have info regarding Kaban Peds Fellowship? I heard not much operating lots of research. If this is true or not please respond. In addition any info as to the type of cases, volume and stipend of that fellowship.

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

Anyone have info regarding Kaban Peds Fellowship? I heard not much operating lots of research. If this is true or not please respond. In addition any info as to the type of cases, volume and stipend of that fellowship.

I've heard this as well, but can't back it up with any facts. I'll see what I can find out.

 

[6897round2]

Re: Kaban peds fellowship...

I externd there a few years back...From what I gathered, it's a research fellowship...They do a reasonable volume of pediatric OMFS (cleft orthognathics, distraction, secondary surgery for syndromes, etc.) but the chiefs do the cases. The fellow is more of a lab person, doing tissue engineering stuff and minimally invasive surgery laboratory projects.

 

[Xigris14]

I want to operate not sit in a lab all day. Any further info about Mass General Fellowship appreciated. In addition I would like to get some info about Costello and his fellowship. Any Pitt residents out these who can help?

 

[5cent]

This is actually a great thread I had no idea about half of these fellowships.

 

[Xigris14]

This is the best way for residents to get info about these fellowships. There is little to no info about these fellowships on websites including their scope,volume, case log,stipend.... So the more info we get the better informed we are.

 

[MMF]

Lets start a comprehensive list of Craniofacial fellowships available to OMS:


- Georgetown, Washington, DC
- University of Pittsburgh
- Orlando, Florida
- Charleston, West Virginia
- Plaza de los Misterios Muncipio de Huixquilacan, Mexico
- Harvard (pediatric maxillofacial/ some craniofacial)
- Sick Kids Hosp, Toronto, Canada
- Royal Children's Hospital in Liverpool, England
- Oxford Craniofacial Unit, Oxford, England
- Birmingham Children's Hosp, Birmingham Craniofacial Unit, England
- Chang-Gung Hosp, Taiwan
- Manuel Gea Gonzalez Hosp, Mexico City, Mexico
- Wilhelms University, Muenster, Germany


Anyone who has information on each of these fellowships, please edit this post and include whatever information you have.


We should do the same for Oncology/Reconstructive fellowships and Cosmetic fellowships as well and sticky them.

Does anyone know where the taiwan fellowship application is?
thnx

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

Does anyone know where the taiwan fellowship application is?
thnx

Google the name of the hospital. Go to the hospitals website, here you will find the contact details of those in charge of the fellowship. You apply directly this way. Good luck.

 

[LSU-Cowboy]

I want to operate not sit in a lab all day. Any further info about Mass General Fellowship appreciated. In addition I would like to get some info about Costello and his fellowship. Any Pitt residents out these who can help?

I've heard very poor things about his fellowship...one of my chiefs did his fellowship....and did hardly any cases, mainly due to the fact that Plastics is very strong at UPMC and gaining strenghth....just my 2 cents....

 

[DNOMS]

Does anyone know anything about the St. Louis OMS fellowship? How much facial cosmetic surgery do they offer? What are the better cosmetic surgery fellowships out there?

 

[mms0805]

Anyone have info regarding Kaban Peds Fellowship? I heard not much operating lots of research. If this is true or not please respond. In addition any info as to the type of cases, volume and stipend of that fellowship.

I looked into this fellowship and here's some info:

The fellowship sounds like a trauma/orthognathic fellowship in disguise. The fellow is essentially junior faculty at MGH (provided they can be licensed as an MD or DDS in Massachusetts) and spends 40% their time covering trauma cases for the residents as the attending (panfacial, NOE, orbits, etc.) and ward resident cases (orthognathic, sialendoscopy, teeth, implants, etc.), about 20% of their time operating on cases with Kaban and the remainder doing either basic or clinical research. Apparently the fellowship has been more research oriented in recent years because the fellows were from overseas and couldn't be licensed in the US, hence no attending privileges.

Bottom line, if you like trauma/orthognathics and want a year's worth of trauma experience as a fellow, running the show, this may be the place to go. Talking to a buddy of mine who is there now, it sounds like the fellow is given free reign to do all trauma cases (which sound as robust an experience as anyhwere else, with a few midface cases/week and the usual # of mandibles) and plenty of orthognathics.

 

[jiggapigga]

I understand it's good to get face time in, but is it common practice for residents who are interested in a fellowship to make time to "extern" at that particular place?

considering when we were in dental school we'd have a summer holiday to extern at oral surgery programs.... is it kinda the same deal except we'd use our dang holidays..?


just curious..

 

[CanuckDDS]

I understand it's good to get face time in, but is it common practice for residents who are interested in a fellowship to make time to "extern" at that particular place?

considering when we were in dental school we'd have a summer holiday to extern at oral surgery programs.... is it kinda the same deal except we'd use our dang holidays..?


just curious..

Jigga,

use you're holidays to RELAX man. How much can you give of yourself, if you are an OMFS resident who is considering a fellowship it should just take a phone call from your chief to get you in if you are that interested.

I feel like we've made a lot of sacrifices to reach the pinnacle of our profession (i.e. family time, vacation, our 20's and for some of us most of our 30's), you should take the 2 weeks that you get off a year and go to Italy-France-Borabora. wherever. If you wait until you are too old to walk the Cinque Terre trail what is the point of accomplishing all you've accomplished.

Sorry, had to let that out....

 

[toofache32]

Hmmmm....I used my 2 weeks vacation during general surgery to go check out a fellowship. Others have done the same. It's a good way to get a feel for the program and also for them to get to know you. Just like an externship, I guess. My humble opinion is that you can rest when you're dead. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[IcedOMFS]

My humble opinion is that you can rest when you're dead. .

How about when it's her turn on top?

 

[CanuckDDS]

Hmmmm....I used my 2 weeks vacation during general surgery to go check out a fellowship. Others have done the same. It's a good way to get a feel for the program and also for them to get to know you. Just like an externship, I guess. My humble opinion is that you can rest when you're dead. Different strokes for different folks.

toof, you are an intense dude. You can take apart my kid's face and put'er back together any day! I love it.

You're probably right, I'll be doing something work related on my 2 weeks too...

 

[toofache32]

toof, you are an intense dude. You can take apart my kid's face and put'er back together any day! I love it....

We have OR time tomorrow. NPO at midnight.....

 

[aphistis]

NPO at midnight.....

Overrated. Just stay away from Jack in the Box on the way into the hospital.

 

[Sinchal]

Oklahoma City Fellowship. Dr. Kevin Smith.
Fellowship is 1 year old.
I'm the first fellow and so far I have done:
108 Cases and 150 procedures
26 - 40700
30- 42200
10- 42210 with BMP all of them
13- 42225
and more including distraction, LeFort III, orthognathic surgery, etc.
I feel comfortable doing all the procedures.
Off service rotations: 1 month Pedo ENT (tracheostomies), 1 month of Ped Surg, 1 month in FL with Ramon Ruiz, 2-3 mission to Mexico
You are required to submit one paper for publication.
Apple Training Membership to use the High Tech Devices of the Clinic
PGY-5 Salary
No call
PGY-3 and a PGY-4 would be assigned to you at all times.
Two Cleft Teams (Tulsa and Oklahoma City)
Let me know if you have any questions

 

[Sinchal]

Oklahoma City Fellowship. Dr. Kevin Smith.
Fellowship is 1 year old.
I'm the first fellow and so far I have done:
108 Cases and 150 procedures
26 - 40700
30- 42200
10- 42210 with BMP all of them
13- 42225
and more including distraction, LeFort III, orthognathic surgery, etc.
I feel comfortable doing all the procedures.
Off service rotations: 1 month Pedo ENT (tracheostomies), 1 month of Ped Surg, 1 month in FL with Ramon Ruiz, 2-3 mission to Mexico
You are required to submit one paper for publication.
Apple Training Membership to use the High Tech Devices of the Clinic
PGY-5 Salary
No call
PGY-3 and a PGY-4 would be assigned to you at all times.
Two Cleft Teams (Tulsa and Oklahoma City)
Let me know if you have any questions

 

[PAJain]

Sinchal congrats on such a productive fellowship experience. I was just wondering if your doing any pediatric jaw tumors, rib grafts, and TMJ reconstructions in your fellowship! It sounds like your getting a great cleft/craniofacial experience.

 

[Sinchal]

Thanks! I have done some rib grafts and benign pathology including: cherubism, fibrous dysplasia, familial gigantiform cementoma, etc. I haven't done TMJ procedures because I don't have a big interest in TMJ surgery. Dr. Sullivan has a busy TMJ practice, I believe that he would let you participate in some of his cases if you talk to him.

 

[InMyCrossHairs]

Thanks! I have done some rib grafts and benign pathology including: cherubism, fibrous dysplasia, familial gigantiform cementoma, etc. I haven't done TMJ procedures because I don't have a big interest in TMJ surgery. Dr. Sullivan has a busy TMJ practice, I believe that he would let you participate in some of his cases if you talk to him.

Have you had any luck with landing a spot in a practice or residency that will not only allow you the opportunity to practice cleft/craniofacial, but also help you build and develop it.