CRNA pay better than FP/IM/Peds

[exPCM]

E-mail from Merritt Hawkins today (esp see the last sentence, remainder for context):

Merritt Hawkins & Associates' 16th annual Survey of Physician and CRNA Recruiting Incentives shows prevailing doctor salaries and benefits as well as which specialties are currently in greatest demand.

The 2009 Survey of Physician and CRNA Recruiting Incentives tracked more than 3,200 physician and CRNA recruiting assignments Merritt Hawkins & Associates conducted from April 1, 2008, to March 31, 2009, and the types of incentives typically used to recruit physicians and CRNAs.

The study's findings highlight current prevailing incentives used to attract physicians and the intense competition within the physician recruiting market. According to the report:

Signing bonuses were offered to physicians in 85 percent of the searches conducted in 2008/09, up from 58 percent three years ago.

Signing bonuses offered in 2008/09 averaged $24,850, up from $14,030 in 2004/05.

The average offer made to CRNAs during 2008/09 was $189,000, higher than average offers made to family physicians, internists or pediatricians.

http://www.merritthawkins.com/pdf/mha-2008-incentive-survey.pdf

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[mig26x]

and then experts, politicians, med school presidents and program directos ask themselves why we dont have more people in primary care med!!!

 

[frank51]

This is just ridiculous, and people wonder why nobody wants to do PC, and to top it off, they plan on increasing the PC salary by cutting back on what specialist make, why don't they start with CRNAs? On the flip side I don't think CRNAs will continue to make the salary they're making, eventually supply, demand, and the so called health care reform will catch up to them.

 

[EternalMD]

Under obamacare this will get worse for all physicians as the cheaper alternative of nurse practitioners are made the primary care givers. He already thinks that nurses are better and care more about patients than doctors (i bet he failed to notice how the don't give a crap once they punch out and will delay patient care because their shift ends in 45minutes). I may catch flack for this next statement but - to all those doctors and future doctors who voted for obama, please turn around, bend over and get prepared for non-lubricated raping because you asked for it.

 

[maceo]

physicians have what you call an image problem.. seriously. Our images has been tarnished for years. with high publicity cases like mj. What do you think that case is doing to our reputation? its awful. our lives just got a little harder thanks to the death of michael jackson

 

[deleted6669]

physicians have what you call an image problem.. seriously. Our images has been tarnished for years. with high publicity cases like mj. What do you think that case is doing to our reputation? its awful. our lives just got a little harder thanks to the death of michael jackson

yup, and worse yet an np went on record as REFUSING to write propofol for him before some (quack) doc did.....

 

[efex101]

Yeah but she totally violated HIPAA laws when she went on blabbing about it.

 

[radslooking]

Under obamacare this will get worse for all physicians as the cheaper alternative of nurse practitioners are made the primary care givers. He already thinks that nurses are better and care more about patients than doctors (i bet he failed to notice how the don't give a crap once they punch out and will delay patient care because their shift ends in 45minutes). I may catch flack for this next statement but - to all those doctors and future doctors who voted for obama, please turn around, bend over and get prepared for non-lubricated raping because you asked for it.

yeah, the day the clock watchers turn into professionals is the day i get scared.

 

[radslooking]

physicians have what you call an image problem.. seriously. Our images has been tarnished for years. with high publicity cases like mj. What do you think that case is doing to our reputation? its awful. our lives just got a little harder thanks to the death of michael jackson

i think the bulk of physician work has proven that this is still a respected specialty. People are smart enough to realize that there are a few nutjobs out there, regardless of profession. Particularly when it comes to celebrities.

 

[maceo]

i think the bulk of physician work has proven that this is still a respected specialty. People are smart enough to realize that there are a few nutjobs out there, regardless of profession. Particularly when it comes to celebrities.

listen pal. You are talking to a guy who has been credentialed in more than a few places and i hold more than 3 medical licenses. In everyones eyes, especially credentialing committees, state medical boards you are a quack, nut job, killer doc who is a drunk, child molester, pedophile, murderer, trying to come to practice in their state to violate peoples rights, you make too much, you are not worth it, you have a criminal past that you are trying to hide, and you probably abuse drugs and you dont pay your child support payments. the above is true until you prove it otherwise, actually we will hire people so thats all they do all day long.. So dont tell me that people are smart enough.. blah blah blah.. you are the above until you prove to me other wise.. Not the other way around.

 

[radslooking]

listen pal. You are talking to a guy who has been credentialed in more than a few places and i hold more than 3 medical licenses. In everyones eyes, especially credentialing committees, state medical boards you are a quack, nut job, killer doc who is a drunk, child molester, pedophile, murderer, trying to come to practice in their state to violate peoples rights, you make too much, you are not worth it, you have a criminal past that you are trying to hide, and you probably abuse drugs and you dont pay your child support payments. the above is true until you prove it otherwise, actually we will hire people so thats all they do all day long.. So dont tell me that people are smart enough.. blah blah blah.. you are the above until you prove to me other wise.. Not the other way around.

well, that seems a little hyperbolic to me. I have not had that experience. But I can imagine that the burden of proof is a little higher from an anesthesiologist perspective. There is probably a higher incidence of drug abuse, etc in that field due to their access, which leads to a little more scrutiny. It still seems pretty respected from the people I talk to and associate with.

 

[maceo]

well, that seems a little hyperbolic to me. I have not had that experience. But I can imagine that the burden of proof is a little higher from an anesthesiologist perspective. There is probably a higher incidence of drug abuse, etc in that field due to their access, which leads to a little more scrutiny. It still seems pretty respected from the people I talk to and associate with.

did i say anything about anesthesia.. im saying credentialing and state licensing period. DO you have any idea how long it takes to get a state license.. probably 6 months.. whydo you think it takes that long?

 

[radslooking]

did i say anything about anesthesia.. im saying credentialing and state licensing period. DO you have any idea how long it takes to get a state license.. probably 6 months.. whydo you think it takes that long?

im not saying I like the long licensing process either. Part of the problem is each state does its background, primesource verification individually with no central clearinghouse. It creates costly and lengthy duplication of effort. I have no idea why they haven't integrated it more. But you also are in a position to hurt more people than the average bear, so I do understand a more scrutinized look at your background.

As with a lot of things it is loosely based on quality assurance, and more heavily driven by litigation. The great cost increaser.