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Current MS3, not going to do residency. Any point finishing out med school?

Discussion in 'Medical Students - MD' started by Rothbard, Feb 14, 2012.

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  1. Rothbard

    Rothbard 7+ Year Member

    Jun 17, 2009
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2012
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  3. link2swim06

    link2swim06 7+ Year Member

    Dec 14, 2007
    What are your plans? If you are going into something related to medicine then get the MD. If you want to become a cop, pilot, or something like that not sure if the MD will help much.
  4. Law2Doc

    Law2Doc 5K+ Member Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

    Dec 20, 2004
    The old standard advice is that if you are going to leave, you should at least finish intern year because then you can get a license and at least leave the door open to come back to medicine in some capacity if you change your mind. And you should at a minimum get your degree because there's nothing worse on a resume than not finishing something you started, and honestly 4th year is the easiest one and so it would be silly to quit now.
  5. officedepot

    officedepot Banned 2+ Year Member

    Jan 7, 2009
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2012
  6. Overall, if you are looking to get a job in a business (etc) its probably better to finish out imho.....

    If I were the HR rep/Recruiter looking at your resume I would much rather see that you decided to not pursue medicine but still stuck it out and got your MD than you decided to quit in the middle of school - just purely from the point of view that you might do the same thing to my company

    On the other side of that, it leaves your options open too, especially if you're going through a rough patch and might change your mind and regret it later.....
  7. gman33

    gman33 Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

    Aug 18, 2007
    It probably makes sense to finish just to keep your options open.
    As for helping your career outside of medicine, depends on what you are going to do.

    If it's anything related to medicine, pharma research, healthcare IT, whatever else, having the degree is better than not having it. That being said, most of those jobs are looking for residency trained physicians with specific clinical experience. Just having the degree won't get you a high level job. It might help you get a job you couldn't otherwise.

    Now if your plan is to pursue something totally unrelated, the degree won't really help at all, but I'd still finish.
  8. equinsu ocha

    equinsu ocha

    Jun 28, 2011

    Yes it will. It shows commitment, as others have already stated.
  9. DoctwoB

    DoctwoB 7+ Year Member

    Jan 10, 2010
    Get the MD.
  10. SoundofSilver

    SoundofSilver 5+ Year Member

    Dec 25, 2008
    Not to mention that you or your parents or whoever has already invested thousands upon thousands of dollars into your education. You might as well get what you paid for and finish.
  11. phltz

    phltz 5+ Year Member

    May 13, 2010
    If you want to move decisively away from medicine and everything medically related, there may be no point in sticking around. Having the MD could help you land gigs in the medical world, though, perhaps working for a consulting firm that works with hospitals, working for a pharma company, or something else in that vein.

    If you're actually looking for good advice, you should talk to someone with experience and who you trust. Make sure to give them enough information about where you are, what you're looking for, and what your concerns with medicine are.

    You really aren't going to get good advice from a bunch of random people on the internet who don't know anything about you, especially if you don't then tell them anything about yourself.
  12. MilkmanAl

    MilkmanAl Al the Ass Mod 7+ Year Member

    Absolutely get your MD. It's more debt, but 4th year could be absurdly easy if you wanted it to be. At UAMS, you could realistically have almost the entire year off. Between joke rotations, longitudinal blow-off courses, and taking time off for "interviews," it's very possible. You could use that time to get started wherever you're wanting to work. Alternatively, assuming you're required to do a sub-I, you could do medicine, work really hard, and then take a month or two to study for Step 3 so you can get your license without having to suffer through intern year. Personally, I think that's what I'd do. Get Step 2 out of the way during the first month, do your sub-I the next month, take 2 rotations you don't need to show up for after that so you can study for Step 3 then. After that, just clean up your requirements and take the easiest stuff you can. It'd be a rough 3-4 months, but it's worth it, in my opinion. Either way, definitely finish out school. Employers be damned, you don't want to have gone through all this crap for nothing, right?
  13. sugeny

    sugeny one day at a time 7+ Year Member

    Feb 23, 2008
    A serious word of warning. NEVER tell the administration at your school that you don't plan on pursuing clinical medicine. People in administration get to their relative positions of power by toeing the company line. They in general don't think creatively, and will have difficulty understanding why they wasted a spot in the class on you. I know of a fourth year who had an honest discussion with one of our highest power associate deans about 'alternate career options,' now they are making him delay graduation for a year because they believe his lack of desire for clinical practice makes his whole motivation to become a physician questionable.

    Bottom line - trust no one in official power with your plans until you have your MD in hand.

    P.S. get your MD silly. So many ways out there to use it.
  14. Marcus Brody

    Marcus Brody Already has the grail. 7+ Year Member

    Jun 2, 2008
    OP, even I think you're being silly.

    A lot of docs regret going into medicine. No one regrets finishing med school.
  15. ccmonopolies

    ccmonopolies 7+ Year Member

    Jul 22, 2010
    If you go to a top 10-15 med school, you should finish. If you don't, I don't think it will be much use to you to finish. However, unless you are independently wealthy, you will need to find a way to support your day to day life. Figure out a way to do that before you leave.

    The business world cares about prestige. If you went to a "brand name" med school, you might be able to get a good paying consulting job without doing a residency.
  16. MilkmanAl

    MilkmanAl Al the Ass Mod 7+ Year Member

    Having "MD" after your name is going to be useful in the private sector regardless of where it came from.
  17. mjl1717

    mjl1717 Senior Member 10+ Year Member

    May 24, 2003
    Get the M.D.!
  18. mvenus929

    mvenus929 10+ Year Member

    Jul 6, 2006
    If you choose to drop out now, you're burning bridges. If in 10 years you decide you do want to do clinical medicine, there's really no way to enter back into the field, because no medical school will take you back to finish your degree (at least not in the states).

    At least if you get your degree, you can pursue something else, then come back and reapply to residency after a time. I would follow L2D's advice, though, and at least complete an intern year and Step 3 so that you can be licensed.
  19. Law2Doc

    Law2Doc 5K+ Member Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

    Dec 20, 2004
    For most states you will need at least a year of residency under your belt to get licensed, so rushing Step 3 doesn't really get you anything.
  20. Raryn

    Raryn Infernal Internist / Enigmatic Endocrinologist 7+ Year Member

    Apr 25, 2008
    For most states American graduates need a year of residency to even sit for Step 3, so you couldn't rush it even if you wanted to.

    There's a few exceptions though.
  21. MilkmanAl

    MilkmanAl Al the Ass Mod 7+ Year Member

    Oh, didn't know that. I thought it was all about getting the licensure exams out of the way. I stand corrected.
  22. xXRAYNEXx

    xXRAYNEXx 2+ Year Member

    Nov 15, 2011
    Did you hit the lottery jackpot? I'd do the same.
  23. MiracleforMD

    MiracleforMD 2+ Year Member

    Jun 29, 2011

    I believe that either a lot of states are now TWO years of PGY or at least there is talk of it.
  24. Sheldor

    Sheldor 5+ Year Member

    May 21, 2011
    Do you have a source for this? Most of the residents I know got it over with early in PGY 1, and have strongly advised me to do the same.
  25. link2swim06

    link2swim06 7+ Year Member

    Dec 14, 2007
  26. Sheldor

    Sheldor 5+ Year Member

    May 21, 2011
  27. Tiki

    Tiki Girl named after a Giant 10+ Year Member

    Jan 6, 2004
    East Coast
    Yes, but you can register in any state, including those with no required time period and take it right away. And you don't have to live in that state, or even physically take the test in that state.

    It's a strange loophole that most pathology residents utilize, since most of us like to take the test early while all of the clinical information is still in our head from med school.

    So the OP could take it without doing an intern year.
  28. Rothbard

    Rothbard 7+ Year Member

    Jun 17, 2009
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2012
  29. Law2Doc

    Law2Doc 5K+ Member Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

    Dec 20, 2004
    You might want to recount. 17 states is a bit more than a smattering. Most are more than 6 months.
  30. Law2Doc

    Law2Doc 5K+ Member Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

    Dec 20, 2004
    Again, TAKING step 3 is meaningless if you still need a year of internship to be licensed where you likely will practice. No point in taking step 3 if you aren't going to do intern year.
  31. SDEM2012


    Dec 23, 2011
    Dude, it's 4th year...definitely finish. You can at least use the MD to consult and make bank.
  32. TAWS

    TAWS 2+ Year Member

    Jun 5, 2009
    If you are a current M3 and don't want to do residency, why would you drop out? 4th year should be a breeze since you aren't applying and you are almost done with 3rd year.
  33. PharMed2016

    PharMed2016 Eternal Scholar 7+ Year Member

    Nov 2, 2008
    Just stick it out... MD without residency still opens many doors for you like research and even the FDA. One of my friend plans to work for the FDA directly out of graduation with his PharmD ~ which I suspect you could too with your MD.
  34. sr6622

    sr6622 2+ Year Member

    Apr 3, 2008
    Looks like we got a future McKinsey & Company employee
  35. upright

    upright Banned

    May 20, 2011
    Or not. A consulting company doesn't want a doctor that doesn't know what in the hell they're talking about. Which is exactly what the OP would be without residency training.
  36. LossForWords

    LossForWords PGY-1 5+ Year Member

    Jul 29, 2008
    I have a friend who is "Investment Banker, M.D." because he didn't want to be a doc halfway through 3rd year, but finished anyway. Now he can capitalize on it when trying to get the $$$ from practicing docs. Don't underestimate what the actual M.D. can do for you in terms of credibility.
  37. TAWS

    TAWS 2+ Year Member

    Jun 5, 2009

    Michael Crichton didn't do a residency....although he did graduate from Harvard Med.

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