5RWill

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So it's been some time since i've posted here. I'm now in my 3rd year of dental school as a D3 at UMMC in Mississippi. Long story short came from a med background with lots of shadowing and work experience, always wanted to work with my hands and loved surgery and the OR. Made the switch from med to dental on the premise of OMS.

Amidst in dental school i've worked pretty hard, i wont say as hard as i should've because that simply isn't true. Transitioning from our biomedical masters program to D1 then following D2 left me feeling a little burned out academically at times. I've always gone back and forth about OMS. It's like I tell myself general will be fine but then I get back in the OMS clinic or shadow a surgery and I'm right back at square one. All in all I'm about to commit just on the basis that I have to know whether or not it's feasible. As of right now we're in 16hrs but learning epic and clinic is sort of overloading me. Spend a lot of time at the school spinning my wheels so to speak and trying to take care of my patients where i can get them in (we're at 50% capacity) but am talking to some residents and starting to shadow. That all should clear up for spring semester in which I'm planning to start studying for CBSE, and taking on research my D3 summer term. About to find out my class rank as soon as the academic dean emails me back. I was 19/40 with a 89.333 cumulative D1 year. I've since dropped now with a 3.504 overall GPA. I'm guessing that is going to put me around 27 or so class rank. I understand there is still a ton of time left on the table, mainly will need to kill clinical requirements and CBSE.

I guess I'm asking a rhetorical question because I'm going to shoot my shot at this point but i'm curious. Given my rank/GPA and lack of extra-curriculars. Is a year and a half enough to become a competitive applicant?

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Will
 

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The cbse if you do well will for sure make up quite a bit for your GPA. One and a half years is definitely doable to put together a solid application. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
 
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CBSE will def outweigh your rank and GPA. However, keep in mind that the application cycle ends around September/October 1 of next year for you. If you’re shooting to match straight out of dental school, you’d need to give yourself just under 1 year starting today to get the CBSE and application all complete. I know clinic is stressful but I’d start CBSE studying ASAP and shoot to get it done by next August (exam is offered 2x per year - one in Feb other in August), even if it’s just a little bit each day like sketchy micro and pharm
 
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Your story of the feeling after the Biomedical Masters Program reminds me of Tiger Cubs (in Boy Scouts). Two of my boys were in that.

Tiger Cubs is a year they added to Scouts (in kindergarten - first grade), and I think they (BSA) just wanted more income from popcorn sales. Then, the Scouts get burned out (as mine did) and don’t make Eagle.

You definitely have a chance.

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CBSE will def outweigh your rank and GPA. However, keep in mind that the application cycle ends around September/October 1 of next year for you. If you’re shooting to match straight out of dental school, you’d need to give yourself just under 1 year starting today to get the CBSE and application all complete. I know clinic is stressful but I’d start CBSE studying ASAP and shoot to get it done by next August (exam is offered 2x per year - one in Feb other in August), even if it’s just a little bit each day like sketchy micro and pharm

Checked rank today and it was a little worse than i thought. 29/41. Looking back on my GPA D1 spring semester is what has killed me. Finished that with a 3.2, otherwise have maintained a 3.6 or higher every semester. No sense in harping on it though.

That is a little of my worry, is my education or lack there of regarding basic sciences required for CBSE. I didn't realize that it was only offered in Febuary and August. We have 3-4 weeks off this December and I had given thought to starting then. Truthfully i can start as early as November, i just have to get through my perio OSCE as it's a hard stop for the entire class if we don't pass it in two weeks. On that note where does one start studying for CBSE? Go grab a USMLE prep course and get after it?

I'm glad you mentioned the application cycle that hadn't crossed my mind yet, certainly puts a time constraint on things.

Thank you all for the replies I appreciate it.
 
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Checked rank today and it was a little worse than i thought. 29/41. Looking back on my GPA D1 spring semester is what has killed me. Finished that with a 3.2, otherwise have maintained a 3.6 or higher every semester. No sense in harping on it though.

That is a little of my worry, is my education or lack there of regarding basic sciences required for CBSE. I didn't realize that it was only offered in Febuary and August. We have 3-4 weeks off this December and I had given thought to starting then. Truthfully i can start as early as November, i just have to get through my perio OSCE as it's a hard stop for the entire class if we don't pass it in two weeks. On that note where does one start studying for CBSE? Go grab a USMLE prep course and get after it?

I'm glad you mentioned the application cycle that hadn't crossed my mind yet, certainly puts a time constraint on things.

Thank you all for the replies I appreciate it.

UFAP (Uworld, First Aid, Pathoma) are the go-tos, but there are many routes. The goal is the memorize First Aid. How to do that, though, depends on the person. I PM'd you.
 
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Does your school not have an OMFS program? Or other classmates applying? Is there not an OMFS club? I ask because you seem a little in the dark about the whole process. Those are really going to be your best resource instead of a blog. The best source of info I found were the residents, other classmates esp for study materials/timelines, program director etc. You should ask for a meeting with the program director or at least an OMFS faculty. In the meantime grab Uworld and start studying and find some programs (and time) that you can go do a week externship at.
 
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Does your school not have an OMFS program? Or other classmates applying? Is there not an OMFS club? I ask because you seem a little in the dark about the whole process. Those are really going to be your best resource instead of a blog. The best source of info I found were the residents, other classmates esp for study materials/timelines, program director etc. You should ask for a meeting with the program director or at least an OMFS faculty. In the meantime grab Uworld and start studying and find some programs (and time) that you can go do a week externship at.
By program director, do you mean the PD of your schools affiliated OMFS residency? If so, I have never spoken to this person and I wouldn’t even know where to begin
 
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Checked rank today and it was a little worse than i thought. 29/41. Looking back on my GPA D1 spring semester is what has killed me. Finished that with a 3.2, otherwise have maintained a 3.6 or higher every semester. No sense in harping on it though.

That is a little of my worry, is my education or lack there of regarding basic sciences required for CBSE. I didn't realize that it was only offered in Febuary and August. We have 3-4 weeks off this December and I had given thought to starting then. Truthfully i can start as early as November, i just have to get through my perio OSCE as it's a hard stop for the entire class if we don't pass it in two weeks. On that note where does one start studying for CBSE? Go grab a USMLE prep course and get after it?

I'm glad you mentioned the application cycle that hadn't crossed my mind yet, certainly puts a time constraint on things.

Thank you all for the replies I appreciate it.
That's quite a low rank. That puts you in the bottom 30% of your class-my guess is that you will be screened out at a lot of programs.

Its true that rank matters less these days for OMFS because many schools are P/F, and the CBSE is considered more important, but if your school ranks, and you're not in at least the top 20 or top 25 percent, it hurts you.

You will need 80 (225) or 85+ to have a shot at getting in at all.
 
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That's quite a low rank. That puts you in the bottom 30% of your class-my guess is that you will be screened out at a lot of programs.

Its true that rank matters less these days for OMFS because many schools are P/F, and the CBSE is considered more important, but if your school ranks, and you're not in at least the top 20 or top 25 percent, it hurts you.

You will need 80 (225) or 85+ to have a shot at getting in at all.
Interesting, what do you base your numbers on? Do you have data to back up an 80 on the CBSE means getting into programs? or is this hyperbole stating this person needs a high scores in other areas?
 
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Interesting, what do you base your numbers on? Do you have data to back up an 80 on the CBSE means getting into programs? or is this hyperbole stating this person needs a high scores in other areas?
Entirely anecdotal, but my rank was only slightly better than OP and with a CBSE between 80-85 I got interviews. Whether I match is tbd lol
 
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Interesting, what do you base your numbers on? Do you have data to back up an 80 on the CBSE means getting into programs? or is this hyperbole stating this person needs a high scores in other areas?
I don't have data, just mostly anecdotal. I know a few people and have a family friend, that were all below the 50th percentile in terms of rank when they applied to OMFS and the ones that got in on a first attempt had high CBSEs to compensate. The ones that did not or could not get a high CBSE had to do multiple intern years until they got in.

I could be wrong, but it is a fact that scores are going up every year. Even an 80 is nothing special these days.
 
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By program director, do you mean the PD of your schools affiliated OMFS residency? If so, I have never spoken to this person and I wouldn’t even know where to begin
Yes. If you are serious about OMFS - or any specialty for that matter - it would behoove you to invest in knowing who the important and not so important people are in that program of study. If that simple task of using the school directory seems too daunting I'm not sure intubating patients should be in your future.
 
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Yes. If you are serious about OMFS - or any specialty for that matter - it would behoove you to invest in knowing who the important and not so important people are in that program of study. If that simple task of using the school directory seems too daunting I'm not sure intubating patients should be in your future.
Wow, thank you, sir. I am sure you will match Michigan, Parkland, MGH or some hot shot program with all the behoovement you have done.
 

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That's quite a low rank. That puts you in the bottom 30% of your class-my guess is that you will be screened out at a lot of programs.

Its true that rank matters less these days for OMFS because many schools are P/F, and the CBSE is considered more important, but if your school ranks, and you're not in at least the top 20 or top 25 percent, it hurts you.

You will need 80 (225) or 85+ to have a shot at getting in at all.
Yup it's a concern for sure. I'm hoping RVU count will lift me some but being on 41 students getting into the top 10 now is probably out of reach. I want to get back to where I was at 19. Clinic has been well weird to say the least with COVID. I should've realized that I wanted to do this then and gotten in gear, but hindsight is always 20/20.

I'm currently studying for the CBSE and balancing clinic as best I can with an Externship during spring break here, and trying to get another one in the works if they're accepting applicants now, though last I last I checked they were closed due to COVID.
 

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I don't have a ton to add but I will say maybe messaging nade0016 since he/she is a PD and chairman of a program and obviously will give it to you straight. I know a lot of people really talk about the CBSE here and it's true, the higher the score the more interviews you'll likely get (hence I say likely) but I really think have an overall solid application says a lot about a person and not just a test score. I personally know people with very high CBSE scores but simply didn't match and have no matched yet. My .02, keep working hard and look at each part of your application as a way to separate you from others that are applying. It all has to be good!
 
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I don't have a ton to add but I will say maybe messaging nade0016 since he/she is a PD and chairman of a program and obviously will give it to you straight. I know a lot of people really talk about the CBSE here and it's true, the higher the score the more interviews you'll likely get (hence I say likely) but I really think have an overall solid application says a lot about a person and not just a test score. I personally know people with very high CBSE scores but simply didn't match and have no matched yet. My .02, keep working hard and look at each part of your application as a way to separate you from others that are applying. It all has to be good!
Thank you, I'll send him/her a pm for sure. I agree about the standing as well which is why I'm really trying to hit my benchmarks in Clinic. A strong A in a 72-credit course will propel me forward considerably. It's all a very large balancing act at the moment but I'm pushing forward. I'm hoping CBSE studying covers most of my basic science requirements for boards that will be available this Summer. Not that I intend to take them that early but it would be nice if it more than covered most of that section of the INBDE.
 
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