Dartmouth vs University of Toronto

[bonsaitree1]

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Hi, Canadian here. What school is better reputation wise? I know that they're in 2 different countries, so the usual "where do you want to live/practice/get visa" issues all will come up.

But I'm just interested in hearing about people's opinions of these schools, how they perceive them, opportunities for research, what would you do if you had this decision.

I would lean towards U of T, but I don't know what I could be missing out in terms of Dartmouth cause I didn't go to revisit and didn't check out the campus much during my interview.

If I go to Dartmouth, I ultimately want to do my residency in a prestigious institution in the states, ranked at least top 5 for the specific specialty. I've heard stories about ppl being unable to get their visas for the more competitive residencies and was wondering if that would stop me from getting a residency at Harvard/Stanford/Hopkins etc.

Anyways, opinions please!

 

[cleothecat]

Now where did you say dartmouth is?????

 

[neuromcdoctor]

Hi, Canadian here. What school is better reputation wise? I know that they're in 2 different countries, so the usual "where do you want to live/practice/get visa" issues all will come up.

But I'm just interested in hearing about people's opinions of these schools, how they perceive them, opportunities for research, what would you do if you had this decision.

I would lean towards U of T, but I don't know what I could be missing out in terms of Dartmouth cause I didn't go to revisit and didn't check out the campus much during my interview.

If I go to Dartmouth, I ultimately want to do my residency in a prestigious institution in the states, ranked at least top 5 for the specific specialty. I've heard stories about ppl being unable to get their visas for the more competitive residencies and was wondering if that would stop me from getting a residency at Harvard/Stanford/Hopkins etc.

Anyways, opinions please!

Hey, I'm also a canadian deciding between u of t and a prestigious american school. In terms of Dartmouth versus U of T, I think both are great schools. The clinical opportunities in toronto are better, in my opinion. You will be seeing a much more diverse patient population. Also Toronto is much more exciting than Hanover.

That being said, if you want to practice in the US you might find it slightly easier coming from an american school, but if you do well at u of t you will most likely be fine as well. u of t is pretty well recognized amongst residency programs in the northeast, can't say the same for the rest of the country. Work visa's shouldn't be a problem for residency, unless the residency program itself has some issue sponsoring you. If this concerns you maybe consider Canadian residencies or call programs now and see how they feel about international residents.

U of T seems to be a more research intensive school, with the honors in research program. Dartmouth has great results based research and the institution has some incredible labs, but it doesn't seem like the program stresses research as much as u of t.

I don't know exactly what you mean when you say "I don't know what I could be missing out in terms of Dartmouth" but I am sure that either school will give you an incredible education with opportunities to go into any residency you want.

Congrats, and good luck with the decision.

 

[bonsaitree1]

Now where did you say dartmouth is?????

Is there a ranking list that includes Canadian schools? 😱

 

[canada1311]

Is there a ranking list that includes Canadian schools? 😱

First off, congratulations on some enviable acceptances. You're very fortunate to have two great alternatives.

As you said in the original post, some quite obvious factors in your decision should be receiving an education where you want to practice. Cost may also be an issue (depending on financial aid from Dartmouth), and going to the cheaper school is always a good idea (although the cost of living in Toronto is quite high, I figure you "get what you pay for" when you live in a more expensive city).

I would suggest U of T. Toronto is a little more exciting, and U of T students are exposed to top-notch clinical and research opportunities. I'm also not sure what you think you may be missing out on if you accept Dartmouth, but unless you can describe certain things specifically, it doesn't seem like its anything tangible enough to turn down U of T.

FWIW, I'm also a Canadian that will hopefully have to make a choice between a Canadian and US school, and from my research, the biggest roadblock to matching into a residency in the US or in Canada is citizenship, and not necessarily the country in which you are educated (seeing as how all US and Canadian schools are part of the AAMC and are all LCME accredited). I would say that it's likely easier to get a US residency spot if you go to a US medical school (perhaps due to more US clinical rotations and what not), but your citizenship will still be the biggest hurdle.

 

[cleothecat]

ollowing is the ranking of World Top 100 Clinical Medicine and Pharmacy (MED) programs by ARWU Broad Subject Fields 2008:

World Rank in MED, Institution
1 Harvard Univ
2 Univ California - San Francisco
3 Univ Washington - Seattle
4 Johns Hopkins Univ
5 Columbia Univ
6 Univ California - Los Angeles
7 Univ Texas Southwestern Med Center
8 Univ Michigan - Ann Arbor
9 Karolinska Inst Stockholm
10 Univ Pittsburgh - Pittsburgh
11 Stanford Univ
12 Univ Oxford
13 Mayo Clinic Coll Med
13 Univ Coll London
15 Univ Minnesota - Twin Cities
16 Univ Cambridge
17 Univ North Carolina - Chapel Hill
18 Yale Univ
19 Vanderbilt Univ
20 Univ Wisconsin - Madison
21 Univ Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
22 Univ Pennsylvania
23 Duke Univ
24 Tufts Univ
25 Univ California - San Diego
26 Imperial Coll London
27 Univ Toronto
28 Emory Univ
29 Univ Nottingham
30 Cornell Univ
31 Univ Texas Health Sci Center - Houston
32 Univ California - Berkeley
33 Massachusetts Inst Tech (MIT)
33 Univ Zurich
35 Boston Univ
36 Univ Leiden
37 Univ Munich
38 Kyoto Univ
39 Northwestern Univ
40 McGill Univ
41 Brown Univ
42 Univ Florida
43 King's Coll London
44 Univ Chicago
45 Univ Basel
46 Univ Milan
47 Univ Colorado Health Sci Center
48 Tokyo Univ
48 Univ Amsterdam
50 Univ Rochester
50 Univ Southern California
52-75 Baylor Coll Med
52-75 Case Western Reserve Univ
52-75 Erasmus Univ
52-75 Free Univ Amsterdam
52-75 McMaster Univ
52-75 New York Univ
52-75 Univ Arizona
52-75 Univ Bristol
52-75 Univ Cincinnati - Cincinnati
52-75 Univ Frankfurt
52-75 Univ Glasgow
52-75 Univ Helsinki
52-75 Univ Iowa
52-75 Univ Louvain
52-75 Univ Manchester
52-75 Univ Maryland - Baltimore
52-75 Univ Massachusetts Med Sch
52-75 Univ Melbourne
52-75 Univ Queensland
52-75 Univ Texas Health Sci Center - San Antonio
52-75 Univ Texas Med Branch - Galveston
52-75 Univ Utah
52-75 Univ Western Australia
52-75 Washington Univ - St. Louis
76-107 George Washington Univ
76-107 Georgetown Univ
76-107 Med Coll Wisconsin
76-107 Med Univ South Carolina
76-107 Rockefeller Univ
76-107 State Univ New York - Buffalo
76-107 Thomas Jefferson Univ
76-107 Univ Alabama - Birmingham
76-107 Univ Alberta
76-107 Univ Barcelona
76-107 Univ Bonn
76-107 Univ California - Irvine
76-107 Univ Copenhagen
76-107 Univ Freiburg
76-107 Univ Heidelberg
76-107 Univ Illinois - Chicago
76-107 Univ Laval
76-107 Univ Leuven
76-107 Univ Liverpool
76-107 Univ Manitoba
76-107 Univ Med & Dentistry New Jersey
76-107 Univ Miami
76-107 Univ Paris 05
76-107 Univ Sao Paulo
76-107 Univ Sheffield
76-107 Univ Southampton
76-107 Univ Tuebingen
76-107 Univ Utrecht
76-107 Univ Vermont
76-107 Univ Virginia
76-107 Uppsala Univ
76-107 Virginia Commonwealth Univ
* Institutions within the same rank range are listed alphabetically.

http://worldranking.blogspot.com/2009/01/top-clinical-medicine-and-pharmacy.html

 

[cleothecat]

"UofT has performed well in a number of prestigious rankings this year that have focused on the University's research performance compared to its international peers. This summer, the University was 11th in rankings compiled by the Higher Education Evaluation and Accreditation Council of Taiwan (HEEACT), followed by a 13th-place finish by ScienceWatch.com. "



U😍😍ofT ranks No. 1 in annual Canadian research rankings

Tuesday, October 27, 2009
TORONTO, Oct. 27 /CNW/ - For the fourth consecutive year, the University of Toronto has earned the highest possible marks from Research Infosource Inc. in its annual rankings for the best Canadian research universities of 2009.

U of T placed first overall in the Medical/Doctoral category once again in this year's results. The ranking is determined by several criteria, including the amount of research a university published in a given year as well as the level of funding generated for that research.
"This is a marvelous tribute to the brilliant and innovative work of UofT scholars and researchers," said Professor Paul Young, Vice-President, Research. "It is further evidence that our research is making a tangible impact on global society across the disciplines in the life sciences, physical sciences, social sciences and humanities. I extend my congratulations to the UofT research community on this brilliant showing."
The rankings are included in Research Infosource's Canada Top 50 Research Universities List 2009, published on its Web site, www.researchinfosource.com.
UofT has performed well in a number of prestigious rankings this year that have focused on the University's research performance compared to its international peers. This summer, the University was 11th in rankings compiled by the Higher Education Evaluation and Accreditation Council of Taiwan (HEEACT), followed by a 13th-place finish by ScienceWatch.com.
In September, the SCImago Institutions Rankings (SIR) placed UofT fourth amongst institutions of higher learning. Most recently, the Times Higher Education -- QS World University Rankings surveyed almost 10,000 international academics to rank the reputation of 621 universities worldwide (excluding their own institution) and UofT placed ninth worldwide in that peer review.
Research Infosource obtained its data from Statistics Canada and the Research Infosource Canadian University R&D database. The score in each category is out of a possible 100 points based on the following indicators: total sponsored research income (20%); faculty research intensity (20%); total number of publications (20%); publication intensity in leading journals (20%); and, publication impact (20%). For each measure, the top ranking institution is assigned a score of 100 and the other institutions' scores are calculated as a percentage of the first ranking institution.
Research Infosource Inc. is a division of The Impact Group, a source of research and development information in Canada. Full results of the rankings can be seen at www.researchinfosource.com.
For further information: Dr. R. Paul Young, Vice-President, Research University of Toronto, (416) 978-4649, [email protected]

 

[justinbaily]

Not really sure how they're getting those rankings... Berkeley and MIT School of Medicine seem to be ranked very highly.

Also, no Sinai? 👎

 

[Colonol Forbin]

Do not think that is a legit ranking...who knows

Either way...UofT will be incredibly cheaper. But costs aside, is probably the better school. Furthermore it's affiliated with amazing research institutions - sinai, UHN (which has princess Margaret, one of the top cancer research institutes in the world) sick kids etc. And in terms of attending a top residency program in the states, the top schools definitely regard uoft VERY highly...probably to the same level as they regard other top med schools i.e. hopkins, washington etc.