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PAT 20 (87%)
QR 16 (51%)
RC 20 (66%) --lost a few min.--computer froze, proctor will note it in report
BIO 20 (85.5%)
GC 21 (86%)
OC 26 (98%)
TS 21 (91%)
AA 21 (91%)

PAT: Apeture was EXTREMELY HARD--very similar to DAT acheiver, harder than the ADA PAT handouts. Very ambiguous and tough to discern small areas with a lot of action. Orthographic projections, angles, hole punching, and cubes were roughly the same as the ADA PATs. Pattern folding was mostly easy with maybe 3 or 4 pretty tough ones...maybe a little harder than the ADA PATs.

One of the hole punches was drawn off scale kind of like how DAT achievers are it drove me nuts. I spent 3 minutes and then just guessed on it.

QR: Very challenging. Just as hard as the hardest sample tests that I've taken except that they didn't ask anything that required memorization. There were a lot of long problem statement. I guessed on 10 of them due to time.

RC: First passage was pretty hard (24 min), second was a little easier (20 min), and then third was easiest (16 min -a few) but the computer froze for a few minutes---this really sucked because I felt i would have had enough time to finish them all and especially in this section since I was already familar somewhat witih the topic. I ended up guessing on 7 of them and actually left one incomplete, due to time. The protocol said she would write down that I lost about 5 minutes because of computer problems.

BIO: Pretty random questions like any other sample test. They didn't ask anything very ridicolous like DAT achiever does though, such as phyla or other taxonomic relationships that aren't the common ones. Nothing about plants or photosynthesis, nor about the brain nor about biomes, nor about the eyes or ears. There were a few "in-depth" questions about fertilization.

I felt I could have still studied another 20 hrs for bio before going into the test, but honestly I don't think it would have made any difference, as a lot of the questions are just so random and would ask questions about topics I was familar with in a convolted way.

Two questions were really hard--they tested me on topics I was familar with but were just way way way too in depth it was ridicoulous and they also requried inference.

GC: Was easier than sample tests because it didn't require the amount of calculation that a lot of sample tests do. However a couple problems were challenging, partially one where I was able to narrow down the answer to 2 particular elements but didn't know the symbol of either one so couldn't determine what group it was in.

OC: Was also easier than a lot of sample tests because the problems didn't really involve anything that even remotely required writing the molecules down. You could do it all in you head.

As far as sample tests, I took the top score ones and DAT acheiver but I took a 30 min break most of the time and for 2 of them I even just did them scattered. I usually scored around 20 on top score for sciences, 20-22 for PAT, 20-22 for RC, and 20-25 for QR. With DAT achiever I usually got 17-18 on sciences, 18-20 on PAT, 20-22 on RC, and 20-22 on QR
 
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Really solid scores, congratulations. So if the PC freezes then they DON'T give you extra time? That's not really fair...do you think they will give you a point boost?
 
yeah it's not fair, but I can't do anything about it...except for asking her to make a note of it like I did.

I don't think they can re-set the computer timer, I honestly didn't want to inquire about it during the test as I would have just lost more time by talking to her...I sorta lightly blurted out "well are you gonna a few more minutes" but then sorta toned it down and said it very silently turning my head back to the screen as she was walking away. I figured that the only choices I had were to just either void the test (and this would still be an "if") and take it again (which i didn't want to do) or just do my best with what I had left, so I went with the latter.

I did talked to her after the test was done and she was apolegetic about it and mentioned that she would note as I requested.
 
so how does the practice QR from the ADA site compare to the actual one you took? Same difficulty? CDM doesn't really resemble the ADA one...
 
I looked at it last night and I just looked at it again now and it is looks a hell of a lot easier.

Even in terms of the structure of the problems, they were very different.

I felt a little intimidated because I had markers that were not fine tipped--so they you would have to write down numbers pretty big otherwise you could misread them, and then with the limited space to write I just felt kinda scared that if I started to workout a hard problem that I wouldn't have enough space to finish. I figure i could have started, then erase the top half and continue but the pressure of the test got to me.
 
Congratulations!!! Great scores!!! What material did you used to study? My brother gave me the DAT destroyer package. I'm taking the DAT end of May.
 
Do you find Topscore to be similar to the actual test, especially the science section? Not just score predictability but type and depth of questions. Thanks.
 
Off the top of my head, top score was pretty similar. I haven't used it for a week, and it feels like a month with all the studying I did this week.

As far as prep,

-princeton review in class test prep course.
--Crack the DAT PAT
-TOP SCORE
-DAT Acheiver
-For Bio I used a combination of PR AP BIO and Cliffs AP BIO. ...I started with PR AP BIO because it was easier too understand. i never could have started with Cliffs I considered it too advanced and just too indepth. I basically just ussed cliffs to go in depth where PR didn't go, in particular for stuff life fertilization,embroyo,cleaveage,etc.
-DAT Destroyer (skipped most of bio as I felt many were way too complex and I'm glad I did as I don't think it would have improved my score.)
-O Chem Odyssey...The DAT destroyer problems were way too advanced for me when I first looked at them so I decided I need to start at the basics...I took my O chem courses 3-4 yrs ago.
-Used Kaplan big blue book, and Barrons for the tests, used the actual content sparingly.
 
I looked at it last night and I just looked at it again now and it is looks a hell of a lot easier.

Even in terms of the structure of the problems, they were very different.

I felt a little intimidated because I had markers that were not fine tipped--so they you would have to write down numbers pretty big otherwise you could misread them, and then with the limited space to write I just felt kinda scared that if I started to workout a hard problem that I wouldn't have enough space to finish. I figure i could have started, then erase the top half and continue but the pressure of the test got to me.



Did you mean the ADA Sample test is easier or the real thing is easier?
 
Did you mean the ADA Sample test is easier or the real thing is easier?

I thought ADA was a lot easier.

I had three really hard trig problems. One with a sec multiplied with some other trig else in the denominator plus a cosinex 3 and then they wanted to solution within a certain range...I should have just plugged all the answers in and guess/checked.

Another one had a right triable 75-15-90 and one side given and they wanted the other side. I only knew the values of 30,60 and 90. I tried to use sin2x=2sincos, but I couldn't eliminate some variables when trying to solve.

I believe there was another trig one too that was hard but I seemed to forgot it as I was writing the above

The best way I can explain it is that you know how dat destroyer problems take longer than ADA sample test problems?
Well that's how it felt for the QR section, but for the GC section it felt the same as the ADA problems which don't require much written work.
 
Well its good to know at least the Gchem is alright. Got myself a week left, I will go through Destroyer twice. I have Oddysey but haven't opened it, do you think its useful? Are they just reaction problems? And where are these road maps?
 
Odyssey is useful if you haven't taken O chem for awhile.

I wouldn't have used odyssey if I just finished O chem class in the last year and still remembered most of it.

It's like a textbook but in problem statement/solution formate. You need at least some exposure to O chem in a lecture or full textbook enviroment in order to be able to get something out of it though.

As far as BIO, I barely used destroyer, as far as getting anything out of it, I would say very little if any.
 
Wow, your scores are almost identical to mine. Good job there. Thanks for the in depth review of your test.
 
Where there a lot of word problems for the QR section? Did you think it was similar to Destroyer QR or more similar to Kaplan BB QR?

I'm finding the cliffs bio pretty in-depth as well and I only have 3 days before my test. What part of the cliffs do you think i should study (in-depth) the most? I know you mentioned fertilization...anything else you can think of? Any help would be a great help.

BTW...great scores!
 
5 minutes is a long time in any section. You def would've gotten higher than RC 20 although that's all you need.
 
5 minutes is a long time in any section. You def would've gotten higher than RC 20 although that's all you need.

Not in NS or PAT. Most who practice PAT finish 5-15 mins early.
Probably 30 mins for NS...hahaha
 
hey really great scores!
your average for TS looks like it should be higher...shouldn't it be a 22?
 
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