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[drpduck]

Good post drpduck!

The best thing you can (and should) do to help preserve the profession you want to enter is join pre-dental ASDA. This will look awesome on your application as well. (Lobbyists have an easier job if they can say "I represent 90% of our profession, as opposed to the AMA, who can't say that.)

So join! Join ASDA today!

Thanks, I hope to be active in ASDA when I start D-school in the fall. Well that is if I can fit time between gross anatomy and immunology, haha.

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[SHC1984]

WELL saided!! DO NOT EVER work for wal mart!! why in the hell will you want to work for someone else if you can work for YOURSELF and make more $$$?? someone just answer that question for me? why work for someone else? especially Walmart, you will look so ghetto! a DOCTOR working for a company with customers coming from the working class isn't going to improve your image... Just shopping there makes you look low class think about how it will look if you work there as a damn DOCTOR
I also agree ADA is VERY mess up. They should LIMIT the amount of dentist graduating per year and the number of dental schools etc. I mean whats the point of me going to dental school if there will eventually be a surplus of dentist?? AND YES there will be a surplus if ADA don't stop accrediting forigen dental schools!! Surplus = DECREASE income, unless you specialize....

1) How can you fight such a thing as future dentits. Dentists can't fight things like that, but politicians can. If you wanna bring changes in ways anything is "working," you need to become a politician. Medicine wouldn't probably become the way it is if politicians fought for it.

2) However, you can play a role in the process. Just don't f...ing work for Wal-mart as a dentist. As dentits, we should be able to decide who to work for, or what our profession worths. As somebody said above, dentistry has a lot more to do with medical procedures and hands on things than fre...ing selling products. So, as a dentists, if you wanna sweat over some root canals , pulling out teeth, design nice dentures, and so on for less than a 100k a year, then go ahead. All i'll get to do is call you "cheap bast.rd."
3) However again, if ADA keep accrediting foreign dental schools, so there gonna be lots of "crapy" dentists out there who wanna work for those powerhouses for "crappy" money. The question is "what the f...k is wrong with ADA?" If ADA keeps behaving this way, what's the point of being member of ADA. If they are using our money to cheap out dentistry, then why don't we get rid ADA and come up with something new. Again, this is politics. But there is still good news for us folks, "become a specialist". Powerhouse wouldn't be able to provide more than a general care anyway. I doubt an Ortho....ist, an endo....ist, or an oral-maxillofacial surgeon would wanna work for a powerhouse.
....I could say a lot more about this subject, but i wanna see some responses first. Remember, i am a pre-dent as well, i am not somebody that came from nowhere and try to trash out this beautiful profession........

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Rev Balls----UPenn or Columbia Dental Medicine Class of 2011

 

[Rev Balls]

I'll agree the ADA is annoying the crap out of me by allowing foreign school accreditation. I don't start dental school for another 6 months and already want to smack them! I believe the reasoning was that some states were going to allow foreign grads to come practice without advanced standing. So the ADA saw this and instead of fighting it, tried to take over and allow a universal accreditation process vs. state controlled accreditation.

I agree I can't fight this on my own, but like I said, everyone working together can. This includes belonging to the ADA, and trying to change things from inside out. A huge group with a high percentage of members of dental professionals will have power and certainly will have lobbying on behalf of the dental profession. Its just getting the ADA to change their mind as it stands.

I agree with simply not working for the Walmart/Sears/Dental Mills. By doing that you ARE making a difference because they won't have a business if there are no dentists to work for them!

Oh and I forgot to mention, I always have thought about getting involved in politics when I retire from dentistry many, many years down the road. The late Congressman Norwood from Georgia whom passed away only two weeks ago was a dentist.....

You are definitely right drpduck. We just need some real guys inside ADA to fight for the dentists. If those guys working for the ADA are all not US-trained dentists, or some US-trained specialists, then they wouldn't know exactlywhat it feels like to be in college for 4 years taking those heavy science classes and then another 4-yr in D-School. Except probably for US and Canada that have this 4-yr college thing, i am sure no other countries have it. So, how come guys can just come from high school and then go to dental school for 4 years and get over here and cheap the profession out. By the way, i am not discriminating against foreign dental schools. I myself am an international student (which means i am here on a F-1 visa). I am not from Canada either.
Let's find other solutions to this problems, and let ADA hear our voices. I am sure we can address the issue personally to ADA.

Rev Balls.....

 

[drpduck]

You are definitely right drpduck. We just need some real guys inside ADA to fight for the dentists. If those guys working for the ADA are all not US-trained dentists, or some US-trained specialists, then they wouldn't know exactlywhat it feels like to be in college for 4 years taking those heavy science classes and then another 4-yr in D-School. Except probably for US and Canada that have this 4-yr college thing, i am sure no other countries have it. So, how come guys can just come from high school and then go to dental school for 4 years and get over here and cheap the profession out. By the way, i am not discriminating against foreign dental schools. I myself am an international student (which means i am here on a F-1 visa). I am not from Canada either.
Let's find other solutions to this problems, and let ADA hear our voices. I am sure we can address the issue personally to ADA.

Rev Balls.....

Other countries have different models of dental education, in fact the degree itself is really an undergraduate degree, thats why its called a "professional" degree rather then a true doctorate. However that has nothing to do with their ability to be a quality dentist.

Personally my main issue with the foreign accreditation is a patient care quality issue. Dental salaries in other countries are no where near the level seen in the USA, so some foreign grads could come in and take an attractive offer from a insurance company/walmart/chain etc. This offer might be "low" for a US graduate, but be much more $ then the foreign grad is used to. In turn, patients follow their insurance to these new dentists. This results in loss of patients for the rest of dentists, eventually it becomes a slippery slope with the necessity to join these insurance plans where they dictate your payments and therefore the care the patient recieves. Combine decreased salary+ ever increasing dental school debt= dentists forced to work harder and faster (and very possibly skimping on quality to do so). I don't want someone telling me how to treat a patient.

But hopefully this will be a very small issue in the future and only a couple schools can be granted accreditation, which will have little to no affect on us.

Anyone else looking to be active in ASDA when they start D-school?

 

[Rev Balls]

Anyone else looking to be active in ASDA when they start D-school?


Rev Balls can be in also.

 

[Envision]

Other countries have different models of dental education, in fact the degree itself is really an undergraduate degree, thats why its called a "professional" degree rather then a true doctorate. However that has nothing to do with their ability to be a quality dentist.

Personally my main issue with the foreign accreditation is a patient care quality issue. Dental salaries in other countries are no where near the level seen in the USA, so some foreign grads could come in and take an attractive offer from a insurance company/walmart/chain etc. This offer might be "low" for a US graduate, but be much more $ then the foreign grad is used to. In turn, patients follow their insurance to these new dentists. This results in loss of patients for the rest of dentists, eventually it becomes a slippery slope with the necessity to join these insurance plans where they dictate your payments and therefore the care the patient recieves. Combine decreased salary+ ever increasing dental school debt= dentists forced to work harder and faster (and very possibly skimping on quality to do so). I don't want someone telling me how to treat a patient.

But hopefully this will be a very small issue in the future and only a couple schools can be granted accreditation, which will have little to no affect on us.

Anyone else looking to be active in ASDA when they start D-school?

As stated before, i plan to get active and do what i can to preserve/uphold our profession. count me in

 

[aphistis]

WELL saided!! DO NOT EVER work for wal mart!! why in the hell will you want to work for someone else if you can work for YOURSELF and make more $$$?? someone just answer that question for me? why work for someone else? especially Walmart, you will look so ghetto! a DOCTOR working for a company with customers coming from the working class isn't going to improve your image... Just shopping there makes you look low class think about how it will look if you work there as a damn DOCTOR
I also agree ADA is VERY mess up. They should LIMIT the amount of dentist graduating per year and the number of dental schools etc. I mean whats the point of me going to dental school if there will eventually be a surplus of dentist?? AND YES there will be a surplus if ADA don't stop accrediting forigen dental schools!! Surplus = DECREASE income, unless you specialize....

Dude, you need a gut check on your priorities. I don't think you've made a single post yet that whose focus hasn't been

1) Making yourself look as important as possible to other people.
2) Money.
3) 1 & 2.

Based on the priorities you've articulated so far, I'm not surprised you did well in school and on the DAT, but blew it in the interview. Better luck next time.

 

[KOM]

Dude, you need a gut check on your priorities. I don't think you've made a single post yet that whose focus hasn't been

1) Making yourself look as important as possible to other people.
2) Money.
3) 1 & 2.

Based on the priorities you've articulated so far, I'm not surprised you did well in school and on the DAT, but blew it in the interview. Better luck next time.

Geeze, really.

SHC1984: You asked what the point of you going to dental school if there's just going to be a surplus of dentists? Obviously none if money is all you care about.

 

[drpduck]

You still haven't provided a source for this claim. Where, besides N. America and P.R., are these schools being given ADA accreditation?

It's agreed: Consultation, accreditation services will be offered to international dental schools
Posted Nov. 7, 2005

By Karen Fox

Philadelphia—In agreement with the ADA Board of Trustees and the Commission on Dental Accreditation, the House of Delegates last month approved the initiative to offer consultation and accreditation services to international dental schools.

http://www.ada.org/prof/resources/pubs/adanews/adanewsarticle.asp?articleid=1747

 

[Drill2Fill]

Why don't they just increase enrollment in U.S. schools. This isn't good news.

 

[SHC1984]

I believe providing the HIGHEST quality care is also very important. (walmart will do just the opposite..) I am not worried about just my image to other people. I am worried about ALL DENTISTS' image to other people. You work hard to become a dentist why will you want to lower yourself and work for a company like walmart? Thats what my point is. That would be like getting a PhD to teach at a ghetto public high school... Why lower the dental profession, its not just about ME looking bad its about ALL dentists looking bad. And money is important and EVERYONE agrees too, if you said you don't care about money then you are lying to yourself. Lets take a vote here, who is willing to go to dental school and paid 200K, and come out making less then 100K a year and be broke for the rest of your life?? come on now...

Dude, you need a gut check on your priorities. I don't think you've made a single post yet that whose focus hasn't been

1) Making yourself look as important as possible to other people.
2) Money.
3) 1 & 2.

Based on the priorities you've articulated so far, I'm not surprised you did well in school and on the DAT, but blew it in the interview. Better luck next time.

 

[SHC1984]

Why increase anything??? The amount of dentists graduating per year, works fine now, why increase or decrease anything?? STAYING the same should be the goal here...

Why don't they just increase enrollment in U.S. schools. This isn't good news.

 

[bionerd]

Why increase anything??? The amount of dentists graduating per year, works fine now, why increase or decrease anything?? STAYING the same should be the goal here...

ahh..nuttin' like the status quo

 

[pre-dentalguy]

Welcome to dentistry!!!