Dentistry or Medicine

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Would it help if I told you that I keep in touch with many of my classmates, all of whom make within $10k give or take of what I make. Would it also help if I told you that I have a few close friends who are physicians in primary care, as well as two cousins--also in primary care. They make just a shade under what I make. Once again, the difference between employed and self-employed dentists with regard to income is drastic. Moreover, it is far easier to start and succeed as a solo practitioner as a dentist than it is as a physician. We don't get raped by insurance, and we have patients who come in every six months. When was the last time you've been to a physician for a routine physical? It's been about six years for me.

I speak from first-hand experience. You speak from your a$$. That makes my word far more credible than yours.

kids, lay off docholliday. reality is that dentists do make tons of money, especially the specialists. Let me join the anecdotal party... My orthodontist uncle rakes in over $800k the last time I checked (6 years ago). Another uncle is well into seven-figures (multiple branches + hire other dentists) but is planning on going to medical school.

Dentists have a sweet gig, even the experienced, $500k-earning anesthesiologists agree.

However, there'll always be good money in medicine. If you're smart, you will always know how to make money. And this applies to law, business, construction, etc.

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Since there is a thread called "Pharmacy or Medicine", I thought why not make a similar thread regarding Dentistry.

Why Medicine over Dentistry?

Because I don't want to deal with teeth and stuff related to it for the rest of my life. Many other people would want to but it's just not for me. Medicine fascinates me! :D I want to be able to help sick people recover and heal...and be there for them when they die.
 
Not true


yeah, I'm sure its really easy an uncompetitive to get into those specialties in medicine, right... And I'm sure those specialties don't have to spend a lot of time in school and don't have to work a ton


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For resurrecting a thread over a year old, and for defending a profession that no one on here has any interest in.
 
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The current labor data (not trade orgs) doesn't support the idea that dentistry is on average more lucrative than medicine, even FP (not accounting for training time frames).

Physicians

Dentists


wtflip?! psychiatrists make more than general internists?
 
hey i support everything you wrote. but my problem is that ive been telling people that i would apply to med schools. i am almost done studying for mcat now. and people will think i failed it if i switch career plans? and i am really bothered by the prestige factor.
as for income, i dont have any now. and i think anything over 6figures is so so nice. but whether i go to dental or medical school, it will still be at least 5yrs before i make that salary... most residents in med school can make 6figures by moonlighting and they do have 4wks vacation per year.

If there's one thing I absolutely cannot stand, it's people who speak with authority on topics about which they have virtually no fact-based knowledge.

First off, general dentists make more than all the primary care physicians, more than ER physicians, and even more than many OB's. Don't look at the statistics quoted on many websites, because they are plain wrong. Dentists tend to underreport their incomes, and non-self employed dentists (whose incomes are included in the average) are generally underpaid. A dentist owning his own practice will make more money than a primary care physician owning his own practice--and for a number of reasons.

Dental specialists are notorious for their high income. Let me put it to you this way:

As a general dentist, I perform a lot of surgery, including surgical removal of wisdom teeth. Four full-bony-impacted surgical wisdom teeth extractions take me about 30 minutes to perform. Our office fee for them is $350 per tooth. That's $1400 for 30 minutes worth of work. There may be some insurance write-offs, and of course, the patient does actually occupy the chair for 45 minutes to an hour, so let us say that we make $1200 for an hour's worth of work. That's a lot of money to rake in from an hour's work. An oral and maxillofacial surgeon can perform this procedure in about 15 minutes, plus an additional 30 minutes for sedation (which adds another $300 to the procedure) and recovery. Moreover, their fees are higher. Hence, and oral surgeon extracting four full-bony wisdom teeth will hit the patient with a fee of $1800 or $1900 for an hour's worth of work. And, that's mostly what they do. Extract teeth, especially wisdom teeth. At minimum three to four cases per day, plus all the implants, bone grafts, etc. etc. You do the math.

Look at orthodontists. Orthodontists charge $3000 give or take for braces. Few take any insurance, so they get paid every penny. And, they have hundreds of cases running simultaneously. Their assistants carry out all the scut-work, and all the orthodontist does is plan the treatment. Hence, he can see many, many patients during the work day. You do the math.

Look at endodontists. Ball-washing SOBs do nothing but root canals at 150% to 200% the fee of a general dentist. An endodontist spends 30 minutes to one hour performing a root canal for which he charges the patient at bare minimum $700 for a single-canal'ed tooth to $2000 for a molar. And they do this nonstop during the day. You do the math.

Look at pediatric dentists They take the undesirable patients. The patients who must have dental work but cannot be seen by a general dentist. They can charge whatever they want for any procedure! You do the math.

And (drum roll please)......unlike medical specialists who work well over 40 hours per week and take call, most dental professionals work about 32 hours a week and don't take call. Oral surgeons take some call, but it's much easier than it is for their medicine counterparts. If dentists worked the number of hours physicians work, we'd blow the medical profession clear out of the water with regard to income.

I'm two years into practice, I work 32 hours a week, and I make over $170k working for someone else. If I owned the practice, I'd be well over $250k.
 
I choose medicine for a number of reasons:

1. The variety of choices I can have. Medicine covers the entire body while dentistry is only around the oral cavity.

2. The different types of lifestyle and group practice choices. Dentists are mostly self-employed while physicians can do group or hospital or even hang up a shingle (getting rare nowadays though). I like to have that option open to me.

3. I feel that medicine offers me a chance to work on systemic disease, while dentistry is more focused on cleaning, cosmetic and has more nonhealth related aspects to them.

4. Dentists that we know complain about the physical stress they are consistently under because of working in small, confined spaces all day. It's like smoking, you won't notice it until much later in life. I feel as a doctor, I won't have to do jobs that are so physically demanding.

I also enjoy diagnosis and treatment, which I feel dentists do not do as much.

I suggest anyone who is interested in both to shadow both types of doctors and see where their personality fits. In my opinion, both profession will allow you to see patients and help them out while making a comfortable living.
some of your arguments are sort of similar to my parents'. though i must say only my mom is making the arguments. so here is my take on these:

1) it is true. you have untill ms3 to decide on a wide variety of specialties. eventually you will have to specialize(if you're a competitive student). the most desirable medical specialties are no more diverse than general dentistry(dermatology, rad, anesthesia).
2) yes, my mom says "you can become a family doctor and work out of a hospital and not worry about running a business and make over 100k/yr or open your office and make even more" --oh wow. thats what i can do if i end up in the bottom half of the med school class. my mom doesnt work for a living... my dad works.
3) if you get a cavity, how is it a cosmetic problem?? on the other hand family drs and internists only "diagnose". i am sure you must be proud if you diagnose someone with cancer. surgeons may perform more complex surgeries than dentists, but they're specialists! must say my mom did not list this argument(because she also believes surgeons have too much responsibility).
4) well my mom did say that if my eyesight drops too much(i dont wear glasses) or i become incapacitated(i like to play sports), my dental career will end. but i could still be a FP. so is this an argument about medicine(i.e. surgery) vs dentistry, or is it FP vs dentistry?
5) here is one you missed: people dont like dentists. they're never happy with the job that dentists do.

but really it's all about prestige: md vs dds. obviously old, insecure, uneducated, strivers think highly of md's.
 
Because I don't want to deal with teeth and stuff related to it for the rest of my life. Many other people would want to but it's just not for me. Medicine fascinates me! :D I want to be able to help sick people recover and heal...and be there for them when they die.
wtf? i want to tell hot healthy girls to open their mouths:laugh: and assume the position.
seriously have you ever seen anybody hurt? nothing pleasant about that. "patient contact" is nice if the patients are not dying. otherwise it's used as a punishment for various teens with dui's and drug offences. if you tell someone "you have cancer", even if they take it with "grace", you must be a ***** not to realize that you've just put a dagger in their heart.
 
Dentists have the highest suicide rates you know...I wouldn't want to do something where you stare in people's mouths all day long(for the rest of your life!)
 
Because they teach that fluoride helps prevent cavity and is good for children's teeth (even government fluoridates water we drink for that reason). But actually fluoride is toxic chemical substance that is deadly detrimental to our health including teeth. And they also teach that xilitol is bad for our teeth since it is one of "SUGAR" kinds. But actually xilitol is the only known sugar that is beneficial to our teeth.

There are political and social corruptions about this issue why they lie about flouride. If you are curious, just google fluoride and you will get many results.

How do you suggest we avoid fluoride? Fluoride seems to be in virtually all toothpastes.
 
Dentists have the highest suicide rates you know...I wouldn't want to do something where you stare in people's mouths all day long(for the rest of your life!)

PERCENTAGE OF DEATHS DUE TO SUICIDE
U.S. white male population 25 and older (1970): 1.5
U.S. white male dentists (1968-72): 2.0 (85 of 4,190)
U.S. white male medical doctors (1967-72): 3.0 (544 of 17,979)
U.S. white male population 25 and older (1990): 2.0
U.S. white male medical doctors (1984-95): 2.7 (379 of 13,790)
(Sources: Vital Statistics of the United States--1970, National Center for Health Statistics, Table 1-26, "Deaths from 281 Selected Causes, by Age, Race, and Sex: United States, 1970"; death certificates from 31 states, reported in "Mortality of Dentists, 1968 to 1972," Bureau of Economic Research and Statistics, Journal of the American Dental Association, January 1975, pp. 195ff; death reports collected by the American Medical Association, reported in "Suicide by Psychiatrists: A Study of Medical Specialists Among 18,730 Physician Deaths During a Five-Year Period, 1967-72," Rich et al., Journal of Clinical Psychiatry, August 1980, pp. 261ff.; Vital Statistics of the United States--1990, National Center for Health Statistics, Table 1-27, "Deaths from 282 Selected Causes, by 5-Year Age Groups, Race, and Sex: United States--1990"; National Occupational Mortality Surveillance database, reported in "Mortality Rates and Causes Among U.S. Physicians," Frank et al., American Journal of Preventive Medicine, Vol. 19, No. 3, 2000.
 
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