Dermatology really out of reach for DO?

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Ost3oclast said:
I've heard it can be switched with ortho? No? Hhmmm......somebody lied to me!!
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I use it for ortho. Ophtho is pretty competitive I suppose, but meh....
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SpecterGT260 said:
I use it for ortho. Ophtho is pretty competitive I suppose, but meh....
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I would guesstimate they are about the same in terms of competition. Maybe a bit more for optho because of a better lifestyle in general.
 
Idk I don't think ortho has as nice of a lifestyle as rads, ophtho, gas, or derm.

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MedPR said:
Idk I don't think ortho has as nice of a lifestyle as rads, ophtho, gas, or derm.

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I agree. Would still die to do me some orthopedics though.
 
Ost3oclast said:
I agree. Would still die to do me some orthopedics though.
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Same. Ortho is what I'm most interested in. Sadly it's probably going to be too competitive.
 
MedPR said:
Same. Ortho is what I'm most interested in. Sadly it's probably going to be too competitive.
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Counting yourself out before you've even started. tsk tsk :nono:

You can do anything bro. Just need the drive.

More driven than nascar, etc etc.
 
MedPR said:
Same. Ortho is what I'm most interested in. Sadly it's probably going to be too competitive.
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Maybe not though. It seems like a lot of competition nowadays is being driven by lifestyle and working the least. Who knows, maybe by the time we graduate it wont be as competitive (remember when ortho was reserved for the idiots who couldn't get into IM?). Although, with the salary, I'm probably just dreaming.
 
Just wondering: Why isn't Allergy considered a good lifestyle specialty? Is it because it's a fellowship after IM? I mean I went to an allergist and we got to talking. Allergy is a pretty sweet gig.
 
Ost3oclast said:
Maybe not though. It seems like a lot of competition nowadays is being driven by lifestyle and working the least. Who knows, maybe by the time we graduate it wont be as competitive (remember when ortho was reserved for the idiots who couldn't get into IM?). Although, with the salary, I'm probably just dreaming.
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DrWily said:
Just wondering: Why isn't Allergy considered a good lifestyle specialty? Is it because it's a fellowship after IM? I mean I went to an allergist and we got to talking. Allergy is a pretty sweet gig.
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Probably because of the extra years. GI is also a pretty awesome specialty.
 
So could I theoretically:

Match for AOA IM program, apply for AOA Derm during 1st intern yr. If I fail to get in, continue with IM program and app for Allergy fellowship afterwards? Two chances at awesome lifestyles? But if I don't get into either, I'll hate my life.
 
MedPR said:
Yeah, I think GI and cards are the most competitive IM fellowships. My SO wants to do GI.
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I've been interested in cards for sure. It would be sweet if I could get into an interventional cards spot but not sure how much having a DO would lower my chances. Still, cards is actually pretty possible as a DO.
 
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DrWily said:
So could I theoretically:

Match for AOA IM program, apply for AOA Derm during 1st intern yr. If I fail to get in, continue with IM program and app for Allergy fellowship afterwards? Two chances at awesome lifestyles? But if I don't get into either, I'll hate my life.
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You would still have other IM fellowship options through IM though!
 
Ost3oclast said:
I've been interested in cards for sure. It would be sweet if I could get into an interventional cards spot but not sure how much having a DO would lower my chances. Still, cards is actually pretty possible as a DO.
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No interest in cards here. In my physio classes I hated the cardio unit

Cards and ophtho are the only competitive things I have absolutely no interest in.
 
MedPR said:
No interest in cards here. In my physio classes I hated the cardio unit

Cards and ophtho are the only competitive things I have absolutely no interest in.
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Why did u hate it? I just got done with that unit in my physio class. Didn't seem too bad. It's rather pretty straight-forward.
 
DrWily said:
Why did u hate it? I just got done with that unit in my physio class. Didn't seem too bad. It's rather pretty straight-forward.
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I thought it was boring. It also took me forever to memorize the heart's vascular anatomy. I always got turned around with left/right.
 
MedPR said:
No interest in cards here. In my physio classes I hated the cardio unit

Cards and ophtho are the only competitive things I have absolutely no interest in.
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I wouldnt be able to stand ANY of the ROAD. Except for maybe anesthesia, even that would be iffy. Cards, ortho, trauma for me. I actually enjoyed cardio when I went through phys....
 
Ost3oclast said:
I wouldnt be able to stand ANY of the ROAD. Except for maybe anesthesia, even that would be iffy. Cards, ortho, trauma for me. I actually enjoyed cardio when I went through phys....
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Yea ortho and trauma would be cool. I've been thinking about EM, but I don't really want to spend my whole day thinking about which doctor to refer a patient to because it's too complicated for me to fix myself.

IR also seems really cool.
 
Ost3oclast said:
I wouldnt be able to stand ANY of the ROAD. Except for maybe anesthesia, even that would be iffy. Cards, ortho, trauma for me. I actually enjoyed cardio when I went through phys....
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You must be high-strung A-type personality.

i.e. bust through the OR door "Stand back everyone!" Look at the patient, uh huh, yup, fix patient, feel like total badass and walk out the door white coat flowing behind you. Doesn't even look back. Not even once.
 
DrWily said:
You must be high-strung A-type personality.

i.e. bust through the OR door "Stand back everyone!" Look at the patient, uh huh, yup, fix patient, feel like total badass and walk out the door white coat flowing behind you. Doesn't even look back. Not even once.
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Hahahaha I wouldnt say high strung! Out of all my pre-med friends I'm by FAR, the most laid back. ;)
 
MedPR said:
Yea ortho and trauma would be cool. I've been thinking about EM, but I don't really want to spend my whole day thinking about which doctor to refer a patient to because it's too complicated for me to fix myself.

IR also seems really cool.
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Thats the only thing holding me back from EM. Who knows, maybe 3rd year will change everything.
 
I'm OK with any of the IM fellowships except for Rheumatology and Allergy

I think I'm on the fence between Cards/Nephro/GI/HemeOnc at the moment. I like them all alot.

Pulmonology isn't that far behind.

Makes residency decisions easy (at the moment anyway).
 
DrWily said:
You must be high-strung A-type personality.

i.e. bust through the OR door "Stand back everyone!" Look at the patient, uh huh, yup, fix patient, feel like total badass and walk out the door white coat flowing behind you. Doesn't even look back. Not even once.
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Sounds like me.
 
SLC said:
I'm OK with any of the IM fellowships except for Rheumatology and Allergy

I think I'm on the fence between Cards/Nephro/GI/HemeOnc at the moment. I like them all alot.

Pulmonology isn't that far behind.

Makes residency decisions easy (at the moment anyway).
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I've heard nephro attracts some of the smartest people in medicine.
 
For the sake of turning back to the original topic of this thread, yes DOs can definitely go to dermatology residency programs.

Heck, even NPs can now do dermatology residencies. Here is the original post breaking the news:

exPCM said:
http://health.usf.edu/nocms/nursing/AdmissionsPrograms/dnp_concentrations_derm.html

USF offers the nation's first Dermatology Residency in a Doctorate of Nursing Practice (DNP) program. The DNP Dermatology Residency program is a collaboration with USF College of Nursing and Medicine, H. Lee Moffitt Cancer Center, Center for Dermatology and Skin Surgery, Bayonet and Memorial Wound Care Centers, and other community physician practices and institutions.

The DNP program includes a core curriculum identified by the American Association of Colleges of Nursing's "DNP Essentials" (AACN, 2006). The dermatology resident must complete 33 core and clinical cognate credit hours and 23 credit hours of dermatology residency which includes a standardized and formal curriculum, evidence-based project, and clinical hours. Total credit hours for the DNP degree and dermatology residency are 56 credit hours.

The program requires the resident to complete a series of clinical rotations that will progress in the level of complexity. In addition to the clinical rotations, residents are required to complete selected projects and to participate in the department's research program. Throughout the program, written and observed tests will be administered and each resident must complete required publication submissions, presentation of ground round lectures, and must obtain teaching experience as guest lecturers in the USF College of Nursing's Primary Care Nurse Practitioner program. Residents are expected to attend appropriate professional conferences and to participate in professional organizations.

The DNP Dermatology Residency Program (USF, 2008) is a challenging academic and clinical endeavor. The program consists of completing the course requirements for the USF DNP program and the dermatology residency. The DNP with a specialty in dermatology will provide a terminal practice degree to prepare advanced nurse practitioners to assume leadership roles in the practice, research, and the health care setting

The purpose of this program is to prepare the graduate for advanced practice in the specialty of dermatology at the doctoral level. It is expected that this program will serve as the benchmark and model for other doctoral dermatology residencies across the nation.

As the DNA, the NP Society, and the AAD work together to develop a core body of knowledge for the dermatology specialist, it will be important to keep in the forefront the effects of health care bills like HB 699 on the practice of nurse practitioners. Developing programs that are supported by these organizations create competent health care providers that are capable of treating various skin diseases seen in the dermatology setting. For the safety and well-being of our patients, it is imperative that dermatology NPs receive formal academic training and demonstrate competency through board certification. In time, the Florida Board of Medicine's perceptions of nurse practitioner practice may improve when future studies show that the development of these formal dermatology educational programs improves diagnostic and treatment skills and positive patient outcomes.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb6366/is_6_20/ai_n31152731/pg_6/?tag=content;col1
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Here is the link to the orignal thread.
 
I wonder how long it will take until DNP's start sowing DR. On their white coat instead of Nurse Practitioner? ;)
 
DrBumblebee said:
There are cardiology "residencies" being offered for NPs!
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Well **** lets all just go NP and save ourselves the trouble! I'm sure they will have surg residencies at Harvard Med in no time.
 
Ost3oclast said:
Well **** lets all just go NP and save ourselves the trouble! I'm sure they will have surg residencies at Harvard Med in no time.
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Columbia is known as the epicenter of the militant NP movement. "DOCTOR" Mary O'Neil Mundinger, RN, DrPH, who works there since 1988 and set up this so-called "clinic" that is staffed 100% by NPs with no MD/DO involvement. She stepped down as dean in 2009.
 
I'm not interested in Derm, at all. I don't know what I've been still doing in this thread... :confused:

Below one was a nice comment once done about Dermatology. I'd like to share, because I feel the same way:

Paddington said:
Whole Dermatology field is a racket. They've done one thing well, which is to limit the supply of Dermatologists. Therefore, every Dermatologist in this country has a huge waiting list of patients. They have considereable power to charge what they want and get away with it.

Of course, they get away with it because of the nature of their field. If the Pediatricians, for example, attempted this strategy, there would be lots of kids dropping dead all over the place. With Derm, most of the conditions aren't emergencies. There's also some cross coverage there. Allergists can see and treat a number of conditions (esp. the ones that don't need interventions). Plastic surgeons can do biopsies, excisions, as well as cosmetic procedures. EM doctors can take care of emergencies, etc.

I don't have a problem with other people trying to get in on Derm's turf. :sleep:
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113 said:
This requires a DO vs NP thread.

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Actually, per your previous posts, this requires MD vs. NP thread fo sho... DOs cannot be dermatologist, right! We're out of this fight. Now what? :naughty:
 
DrBumblebee said:
There are cardiology "residencies" being offered for NPs!
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DrBumblebee said:
Actually, per your previous posts, this requires MD vs. NP thread fo sho... DOs cannot be dermatologist, right! We're out of this fight. :naughty:
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Reading comprehension bro. I replied to your post about CARDS.

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113 said:
Reading comprehension bro. I replied to your post about CARDS.

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Yes, it's really a reading comprehension and a schizoidal problem on your side.

PS: MessPR / Sphincter, is that you?! With a new username!? :naughty:
 
DrBumblebee said:
Yes, it's really a reading comprehension and a schizoidal problem on your side.

PS: MessPR / Sphincter, is that you?! With a new username!? :naughty:
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Everytime you get called out, you just fail bro. Seriously.
 
DrWily said:
Everytime you get called out, you just fail bro. Seriously.
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Dude, get out your way. I've never failed with any call out.. in real life, i.e. face to face. Doesn't care what you think.
 
Should probably just ban bumblebee and be done with it.
 
DrBumblebee said:
Dude, get out your way. I've never failed with any call out.. in real life, i.e. face to face. Doesn't care what you think.
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I don't know what you tried to say here. Please work on your English skills. The time invested in improving your communication skills will pay dividends in medical school, residency, and where ever your future career takes you.

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What's the point of this thread?
 
113 said:
I don't know what you tried to say here. Please work on your English skills. The time invested in improving your communication skills will pay dividends in medical school, residency, and where ever your future career takes you.

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Then read my lips...

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