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    I don't think it's fair that people with low MCAT scores are looked at as being less 'qualified' for entry to medical school. I mean, I might have a learning disability or something that prevents me from scoring highly. That's discrimination, isn't it?
     

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      I don't think it's fair that people with low MCAT scores are looked at as being less 'qualified' for entry to medical school. I mean, I might have a learning disability or something that prevents me from scoring highly. That's discrimination, isn't it?

      a learning disability sure seems like an excellent reason to not let someone into medical school....

      so yes this would be the type of thing that is legally discriminated against?

      MCAT score correlates to step 1 scores in some way and shows you can take standardized exams. It does not matter because whether you like it or not the standardized exams matter.
       

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        Maybe if you made an argument that people who get lower scores could be becuase they are poor and couldn't afford prep classes then I can somewhat agree with you. But as it stands...


        no

        If you have a learning disability and you prove that you can't cut it in the academic area, then you aren't fit for that field. It's just like how not everyone can be top tier athletes and not everyone can be rocket scientists.

        or not everyone can be cool like the fonzie, you got to have what it takes.

        *Edit*

        Or even, what if I have a problem with following rules, isn't enforcing the law on my actions discrimmination?
         
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          I don't think it's fair that people with low MCAT scores are looked at as being less 'qualified' for entry to medical school. I mean, I might have a learning disability or something that prevents me from scoring highly. That's discrimination, isn't it?

          most of the time, people misuse the term "trolling" around here.

          but you're trolling. if i were a mod i'd give you a nice 24-hour ban to think about the value of threads like this.

          besides, people with low MCATs get into med schools every cycle.
           

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            most of the time, people misuse the term "trolling" around here.

            but you're trolling. if i were a mod i'd give you a nice 24-hour ban to think about the value of threads like this.

            besides, people with low MCATs get into med schools every cycle.

            24 hours? the only way to kill a troll is to use fire or acid on its body after you knock it unconscious.
             

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              I assume you're trolling, but just in case you're not, the answer is NO.

              It is okay for professional football teams to "discriminate" against quadripalegics, and it is okay for medical schools to "discriminate" against those who don't make academic cut-offs. Why? Because it keeps them from fulfilling their job.

              Most careers, whether they be modeling, acting, engineering, teaching, or anything else discriminate against those who cannot do the job.

              Medicine does not require a super-genius, but it does require a certain amount of intellect. And for those not as heavily blessed with intelligence, it requires an even greater amount of effort and dedication.

              If you fail to exhibit your adequate intelligence on the MCAT, or you fail to show the necessary dedication and effort to make up for a lower intelligence in your score, they have every right to turn you down.

              I wouldn't want a blind marksman, and I don't want a doctor who didn't have the mental aptitude to learn what he needed to. End of story.
               

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                I assume you're trolling, but just in case you're not, the answer is NO.

                It is okay for professional football teams to "discriminate" against quadripalegics, and it is okay for medical schools to "discriminate" against those who don't make academic cut-offs. Why? Because it keeps them from fulfilling their job.

                Most careers, whether they be modeling, acting, engineering, teaching, or anything else discriminate against those who cannot do the job.

                Medicine does not require a super-genius, but it does require a certain amount of intellect. And for those not as heavily blessed with intelligence, it requires an even greater amount of effort and dedication.

                If you fail to exhibit your adequate intelligence on the MCAT, or you fail to show the necessary dedication and effort to make up for a lower intelligence in your score, they have every right to turn you down.

                I wouldn't want a blind marksman, and I don't want a doctor who didn't have the mental aptitude to learn what he needed to. End of story.

                yes, but is it okay for Hooters to discriminate against fat chicks? or dudes?
                 

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                  yes, but is it okay for Hooters to discriminate against fat chicks? or dudes?

                  In my opinion, yes. Why? Because a Hooter's waitress is not a waitress. She's a pair of boobs and a nice butt on a stick frame designed for men to ogle while they get drunk and drop silverware so she can bend over to pick them up. (Disclaimer: I do LOVE Hooter's wings, though.)

                  Personally, I think they should be hired as "models who serve" (Ocean's Thirteen reference...). Now, if they are going to say they are just "servers," than I can't blame someone for slapping them with a lawsuit. But I think anyone who actually believes they atre just servers is fooling themselves.
                   

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                    In my opinion, yes. Why? Because a Hooter's waitress is not a waitress. She's a pair of boobs and a nice butt on a stick frame designed for men to ogle while they get drunk and drop silverware so she can bend over to pick them up. (Disclaimer: I do LOVE Hooter's wings, though.)

                    Personally, I think they should be hired as "models who serve" (Ocean's Thirteen reference...). Now, if they are going to say they are just "servers," than I can't blame someone for slapping them with a lawsuit. But I think anyone who actually believes they atre just servers is fooling themselves.

                    hey hey now... Hooter is a family restaurant!!

                    the kids and grandpa can drop silverware too if they want.
                     

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                      I don't think it's fair that people with low MCAT scores are looked at as being less 'qualified' for entry to medical school. I mean, I might have a learning disability or something that prevents me from scoring highly. That's discrimination, isn't it?

                      They've got testing modifications for LD people, just go out there and get yourself a diagnosis.
                       

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                        I don't think it's fair that people with low MCAT scores are looked at as being less 'qualified' for entry to medical school. I mean, I might have a learning disability or something that prevents me from scoring highly. That's discrimination, isn't it?

                        If you have a LEGIT (documented and diagnosed) learning disability, then that's something you can address in your personal statement and back up with proper paperwork. I know a couple of students (not at my school) who have untimed testing. Kind of makes me wonder how they will keep up with rotations though...the team probably won't wait up for him to think through the differential diagnosis list for three hours before making a decision. Also I would think these people DON'T have a career in emergency medicine in their future...or most surgical fields...or a practice with a very high volume of patients :laugh:

                        Not everyone who scores low on the mcat is learning disabled though...some people just score low. In that case, it's ok to discriminate. I mean, we can't let EVERYONE in.
                         
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                            I don't think it's fair that people with low MCAT scores are looked at as being less 'qualified' for entry to medical school. I mean, I might have a learning disability or something that prevents me from scoring highly. That's discrimination, isn't it?
                            is that gonna your excuse to the family of a patient that died on your watch that you could have saved but didn't due to your "learning disability"?
                             

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                              a learning disability sure seems like an excellent reason to not let someone into medical school....

                              so yes this would be the type of thing that is legally discriminated against?

                              MCAT score correlates to step 1 scores in some way and shows you can take standardized exams. It does not matter because whether you like it or not the standardized exams matter.
                              :thumbup:

                              The last thing this country needs is special needs physicians
                               

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                                I don't think it's fair that people with low MCAT scores are looked at as being less 'qualified' for entry to medical school. I mean, I might have a learning disability or something that prevents me from scoring highly. That's discrimination, isn't it?

                                you just about had me typing out a sarcastic response.

                                not bad for a troll.

                                6/10.

                                lol @ people taking you seriously.
                                 
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                                  I don't think it's fair that people with low MCAT scores are looked at as being less 'qualified' for entry to medical school. I mean, I might have a learning disability or something that prevents me from scoring highly. That's discrimination, isn't it?

                                  -I don't think it's fair that people with low GPA scores are looked at as being less 'qualified' for entry to medical school. I mean, I might have a learning disability or something that prevents me from scoring highly. That's discrimination, isn't it?

                                  -I don't think it's fair that people without ECs are looked at as being less 'qualified' for entry to medical school. I mean, I might have a learning disability or something that prevents me from contributing to society. That's discrimination, isn't it?

                                  I agree with you buddy, adcoms (for any school/degree/program) shouldn't really base their decisions on merit of any kind. Just pull names out of a hat imo!!! I mean, it's not my fault that I have a 2.89 gpa, I think I'm just as qualified as MITJohn who has a 4.0.

                                  PS: You bring up an interesting point, I agree that anyone with a learning disability should be allowed exceptions into medical school. I know I wouldn't want anyone more competent than me removing a tumor from my brain.

                                  /sarcasm off
                                   

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                                    -I don't think it's fair that people with low GPA scores are looked at as being less 'qualified' for entry to medical school. I mean, I might have a learning disability or something that prevents me from scoring highly. That's discrimination, isn't it?

                                    -I don't think it's fair that people without ECs are looked at as being less 'qualified' for entry to medical school. I mean, I might have a learning disability or something that prevents me from contributing to society. That's discrimination, isn't it?

                                    I agree with you buddy, adcoms (for any school/degree/program) shouldn't really base their decisions on merit of any kind. Just pull names out of a hat imo!!! I mean, it's not my fault that I have a 2.89 gpa, I think I'm just as qualified as MITJohn who has a 4.0.

                                    PS: You bring up an interesting point, I agree that anyone with a learning disability should be allowed exceptions into medical school. I know I wouldn't want anyone more competent than me removing a tumor from my brain.

                                    /sarcasm off

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                                      From another thread (Chase commenting on Instatewaiter):

                                      Either the OP (Chase) is really stupid or he is a troll... most likely both.

                                      No, I'm not a troll. I don't understand why nobody else saw the stupidity of that comment: "50% will be in the bottom half of the class." ??
                                      No kidding 50% will be in the bottom half of the class!!! My response "please explain" was totally tongue in cheek.
                                       

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                                        I don't think it's fair that people with low MCAT scores are looked at as being less 'qualified' for entry to medical school. I mean, I might have a learning disability or something that prevents me from scoring highly. That's discrimination, isn't it?

                                        This is one form of discrimination that I'm fully in favor of. It's good stuff.
                                         

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                                          Here is a simple rule of thumb:

                                          MCAT = Medical Colleges Admissions Test.

                                          Obviously, medical schools are going to use it when they determine admissions. :laugh:

                                          What's next? Discrimination based on GPA?
                                           

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                                            I actually saw a hilarious response from an admissions person once.

                                            A person asked if the school makes any concessions for people who didn't score well on the MCATs because they are not good standardized test takers.

                                            The admissions person responded that people who are not good standardized test takers will not become doctors because they have to deal with the licensing exams. Thus, their school would not be willing to take on the risk to accept these people except when they have other very good things going for them.
                                             

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                                              Chase, I don't understand why you would ask this question in a serious tone if you just got your part 2 scores back in dental school and don't want them changing the format to p/f, since they are currently used for purposes of admission to specialty programs. It doesn't make sense to believe that dental programs should use a scoring criteria, but not medical schools.
                                               

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                                                Chase, I don't understand why you would ask this question in a serious tone if you just got your part 2 scores back in dental school and don't want them changing the format to p/f, since they are currently used for purposes of admission to specialty programs. It doesn't make sense to believe that dental programs should use a scoring criteria, but not medical schools.
                                                Gaining entry to professional schools is one thing. Getting a quantitative evaluation of the skills YOU NEED TO BE A COMPETENT PRACTICIONER is another.
                                                 

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                                                  I would agree with this sentiment because there are a few friends who were waitlisted at a few schools and that the reason they were was due to a low overall MCAT score or a low score in one section. I am not sure if all schools do this, but some schools value the BS score more than the other scores. In one specific instance at a midwestern school, one of my friends was waitlisted because he got an 8 on the BS the second time. Otherwise, everything else including the interview was fine. Plus, studies have shown that there is a correlation with the board exams. So, unless someone finds a better assessment of us that will show all our qualities as great candidates for med school, the MCAT is the way to go.
                                                   

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                                                    the bunny pictures are so great. I think the pancake pic is more absurd than the interspecies porn. I mean would a bunny eat a pancake? would he enjoy it with syrup? so many questions. the turtle seems a bit gratuitous and a little self indulgent.

                                                    oh and chase is a douche.
                                                     
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