Discrimination

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2001Hopeful

I have 27 MCAT and close to 3.5 GPA. I applied to both Howard and Meharry two times in a role and neither even gave me the chance to interview. I am an Asian American and I think they discriminate me due the fact that I am Asian American. I know that their stats is around 3.2 and 22 MCAT for people who are accepted into those schools.

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It's not just about discrimination. Most of those type of schools look for people who they believe will fit the mission of thier scchool. Both the schools you mentioned have predominantly URM students, or students who have shown by their activities that they intend to practice medicine in an underserved area after training. So, I dont know if it is dicrimination in your case. Maybe you haven't shown enough commitment to the underserved population (but this is speculation on my part).
 
By the way, I am also asian american and yes I have interviewed there.

 
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[This message has been edited by Diane Ev (edited 02-22-2001).]
 
Is this really the kind of comment that people want on this board. What is your goal Liquid? To inflame this board?

Get some maturity
 
2001hopeful,

Historically black colleges and universities have a mission to educate students of African descent, but they do not discriminate against other races. Just because your numbers are above their averages doesn't mean that you'll automatically get in.

And just because you don't get in doesn't mean they rejected you because you're Asian.

Ask yourself why you applied to Howard and Meharry. Did you apply because your numbers are above their means? Or did you apply because you have a connection to the black community and you thought it'd be best to pursue your MD in their med school?

I know plenty of Asians at Howard and Meharry and if those schools systematically discrminated against Asians, they wouldn't be there.


Tim W. of N.Y.C.
(yes, I'm Asian)
 


[This message has been edited by Diane Ev (edited 02-22-2001).]
 
I agree with some of the comments people said. I applied since I come from an financially disadvantaged family and have done volunteer work with ethnic minorities in New Mexico. So I do have some intention of serving in the urban/inner city area in the future. Some one who made the comment about painting my face is quite immature. Let me ask that person who made that comment, are you in medical school?
 
Hopeful2001,
Did you talk about this experience/interest in your secondary? That would probably make a world of difference.




[This message has been edited by cjkalmat (edited 02-15-2001).]
 
CK, yes I did. I talked about it both in my personal statement and secondary. It made not a single bit of difference.
 


[This message has been edited by Diane Ev (edited 02-22-2001).]
 
I am outraged out you Liquid_Tension. Who are you...nevermind you must be some redneck from the woods singing yee haw 24 hours a day. Why don't you get a clue - wait, even a piece of a clue will work. You need to learn that ignorant comments like yours from ignorant people like you, need not become a doctor; or rather even work with people for that matter. I hope you never approach a minority, ANY minority, with that type of attitude. You're liable to get your A@# kicked. I'd do it my self but...well...your NOT worth it. The end.

P.S. Get a clue and have a great day
 
You know, both Howard and Meharry are still interviewing, and probably will be doing so for the next 6 months. Did they reject you outright?
 
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As I mentioned before, he is the Howard Stern of medical students. And no, I don't like Howard.


[This message has been edited by Diane Ev (edited 02-22-2001).]
 
Originally posted by Sunlyght:
I am outraged out you Liquid_Tension. Who are you...nevermind you must be some redneck from the woods singing yee haw 24 hours a day. Why don't you get a clue - wait, even a piece of a clue will work. You need to learn that ignorant comments like yours from ignorant people like you, need not become a doctor; or rather even work with people for that matter. I hope you never approach a minority, ANY minority, with that type of attitude. You're liable to get your A@# kicked. I'd do it my self but...well...your NOT worth it. The end.

P.S. Get a clue and have a great day

Howard likes it when he gets calls from angry listeners.

 
Liquid, may I ask you what med school you are in. I noticed most people here are pre-meds. Are you really in med school? Which one? looks like you have a lot of time here, you must be the ones who get all A's without studying, aren't you?
 
My guess is that Liquid Tension is in an osteopathic school in New York. I don't think he has the mental capacity to endure hell in any real New York med school: Cornell, NYU, Mount Sinai, Yeshiva, or any of those places....maybe a SUNY though..
 
Originally posted by homes:
My guess is that Liquid Tension is in an osteopathic school in New York. I don't think he has the mental capacity to endure hell in any real New York med school: Cornell, NYU, Mount Sinai, Yeshiva, or any of those places....maybe a SUNY though...

I got into Brown Univ. with a 1250 SAT, 510 in SAT2 Writing....

I think the biggest mistake of my life was transferring to Brown University in my sophomore year. At the end of my freshmen year at haverford college I had a 3.5 cum. GPA...so academically, everything was cool...but when I transferred to Brown, disaster struck and now as a senior my GPA is hovering around the 3.3 mark--cumulative...

Dear Mr. Pre-Med with a 1250 SAT and 3.3 GPA who got into Brown through the back door,

That's a great way to make a point. Defend minorities by insulting another group. Did they teach you how to do that at Haverford? There are plenty of African-americans who attend NYCOM or SUNY that you are insulting with your comments. Too bad you don't have the numbers to make it a "fake" medical school like SUNY or NYCOM. Maybe if you matriculated into a real "IVY league" school, the first time around, you'd learn some manners. If you are a senior this year, shouldn't you be getting acceptances at "real" New York Medical schools by now? Please keep us posted as to which online Foreign medical school you decide to attend next year.

Best wishes.
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P.S. I'm at a US Allopathic School and I don't condone Liquid Tension's remarks at all.




[This message has been edited by loukary (edited 02-16-2001).]
 
2001 Hopeful,

I also applied to Howard and Meharry. My MCATs were not very high, and I also lived in a 'disadvantaged' community. I applied to these schools because I wanted to go to medical school no matter what and I also want to practice in a rural, underserved community! I am from NC, and if you look at the acceptance for out of state, they are not that high (if I remember correctly).

I called both of these schools, long after I got interviews from my instate schools. I was even accepted to them before I even heard a word from them. It did frustrate me that they did not even let me know the status of my application every time I called. I do think that they take mostly African Americans, and I didnt get an interview. My rejection letter even came in May!

Anyway, I am wondering if you are applying in-state to either one, and if you have applied to any other school. Your MCATs are not that bad, and I know MANY people who are in med school with a similar profile!

...and, if you dont get in this year, remember, dont give up!!



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~Pegasus~
 


[This message has been edited by Diane Ev (edited 02-22-2001).]
 
[nevermind you must be some redneck from the woods singing yee haw 24 hours a day. [/B]


Ummmm- As long as we are talking about ignorance....doesn't that remark indicate ignorance of a certain group of people? Have you ever considered the origins of "redneck"? I'm sure some would be equally offened by that term. It is extremely ineffective to slam one group in defense of another.
 
Originally posted by homes:
My guess is that Liquid Tension is in an osteopathic school in New York. I don't think he has the mental capacity to endure hell in any real New York med school: Cornell, NYU, Mount Sinai, Yeshiva, or any of those places....maybe a SUNY though..

You must be an expert on NYCOM's curriculum to make such a bold statement. The Lord rebuke you.
 
Hey Liquid, If the classes are so tough, how come you have so much time to be on the internet and poking fun of others?

Do you think your character will indicate you will be a good physician? And how does your character fit the DO philosophy?

 
Originally posted by 2001Hopeful:
Hey Liquid, If the classes are so tough, how come you have so much time to be on the internet and poking fun of others?

Do you think your character will indicate you will be a good physician? And how does your character fit the DO philosophy?


Dear Offended Members,

I think you guys are taking LT's comments too seriously. I haven't read his past posts, so I could be wrong, but based on this thread, I think he was just stating that those schools favor certain minorities in his own sarcastic way. I didn't take his comments to be racist. It's not like he insulted their merits or their qualifications. Only that if you are part of a certain minority group, your chances are significantly higher. Everyone knows this to be a fact. It's not exactly something they can deny. The fact is they have a larger percentage of African-American students who happen to have lower GPAs and MCATs. This doesn't mean that they won't be competent physicians. This group is also more likely to practice as a provider in under-served areas which many other physicians don't want to go. No one in the medical community is shocked to hear that Howard or Meharry favors certain groups. Maybe just uninformed pre-meds. But that's what this forum is for.

By the way, many med students (MD and DO) spend a lot of time on the internet. Turtleboard, Neurogirl, Mango, Loukary, Liquid, etc.... You can be a successful med student and post frequently on the internet. When you are studying in the library or at home, sometimes you need to take a break and go to the computer. Don't equate success in medical school with time on the internet. Also, if busy med students didn't post info, where would you get the inside scoop?



[This message has been edited by Leotigers (edited 02-16-2001).]
 
Originally posted by Leotigers:
Dear Offended Members,

I think you guys are taking LT's comments too seriously. I haven't read his past posts, so I could be wrong, but based on this thread, I think he was just stating that those schools favor certain minorities in his own sarcastic way.

Leo, thank you very much. I appreciate your support, and I am glad you understand my point.
-your most appreciative Liquid :)

 


[This message has been edited by Diane Ev (edited 02-22-2001).]
 
please stick to the topic

[This message has been edited by Diane Ev (edited 02-22-2001).]
 
2001~My recommendation to you would be to have a professional review your personal statement. While I do not waste much time on spelling or correcting typos in my posts, I do at least attempt to speak using correct grammar and English. A professional can help you overcome your shortcomings. My guess is that the schools have not been discriminatory against your nationality, rather the way in which you speak. Professional proofreaders can fix the problem. Good luck!
 
Originally posted by homes:

Yo Loukary,

Hey....I graduated from Brown and my brother is in the process of getting ready for the MCAT and med.school aps...he is a senior at Brown. He just wanted to use my username because he's too lazy or busy to register.

Cheers,
Homie


Loukary,
Hey..feeling the heat? Relax, dude...you'll have your day and get into an ivy league someday...maybe ivy janitorial school. You know... these boards need some tension once in a while to juice up the scene. Yes...you can say that I slipped into Brown through the backdoor---I'm one of the luckiest guys alive...thanks to my advisor, I actually applied to Brown--my high school is really obscure, but I had a 3.95GPA, my SAT's were well below the Ivy league mean.....these admissions people are very skilled people, they don't just make mistakes selecting people--maybe the fact that I was nationally ranked in tennis had something to do with it.
But...I hope you get yourself together, because you sound infurious on these boards. I see you are trying to put us down..it's tough though because Brown has almost a 100% acceptance rate into medical school, and over half the place is premed...it's not the reputation that gets the students in, its the students that get in and make themselves worthy...my brother already has some more interviews coming up...including one on the west coast. Good luck with the MCAT and best of luck in your future endeavors.

Adios amigo,
Homes

Dear HoHo the Dog,

You're barking up the wrong tree, my furry friend. Trying to attack my scholastic achievements is the wrong road to travel. If you clicked on my profile or read my last post (possible literacy issues?), you would have figured out that I'm already in med school.

If you want to stack my SAT scores up to yours, I'd be happy to. Oh, and the 3.95 GPA, give me a break. My GPA was almost a full point higher than yours. Plus, I earned the International Bacculaureate Degree in high school. If you don't know what that is, oh well.

My undergrad is arguably the best or second best school in the US. I'm not going to attack Brown, because it is a fine school. Let's just say it is harder to get into where I went to school. Oh yeah, I got accepted to Brown the first time around and was offered a scholarship as well. Like I said, scan your scores, and I'll scan mine. I'll also include the LSATs that I just took. I'm thinking of adding the JD to my MD. I scored a 171, 99th percentile. So, I might know a thing or two about Verbal skills. Some would argue that the LSAT is slightly harder than the Verbal section on the MCAT.

1) Hey....feeling the heat?" What heat? I do feel a gust of hot air blowing in from Providence.

2) "Relax, dude...you'll have your day and get into an ivy league someday...maybe ivy janitorial school. " That's disappointing. You could have come up with something better than that. Make you should ask MikeS78 or Liquid Tension for tips. Otherwise, this thread is over. I've lost interest. If you are going to attack me, the least you could do is make it sound intelligent. Oooops, I forgot you are a dumb jock.

3) "maybe the fact that I was nationally ranked in tennis had something to do with it. " Maybe?? How about definitely!!! Getting in because you could help the tennis team only shows that you are academically unqualified. Call me crazy, but I'd rather have a physician who was academically qualfied rather than one who could pass me at the net?

4) "But...I hope you get yourself together, because you sound infurious on these boards. " Since when was infurious a word. Is this more jock talk or "author's drift"? I think you've been listening to that N'Sync record a little too long my furry friend.

5) "my brother already has some more interviews coming up...including one on the west coast." Why would you even bring up your brother? What is he interviewing for? A spot as a ball boy at nationally ranked Stanford? A "real" tennis team is always looking for good ball boys. I'll put in a good word for him. Woof Woof. By the way, it's curious that he can't get into Iowa medical school (his home state) yet he has all these great interviews and acceptances at nationally ranked schools.

6) "it's tough though because Brown has almost a 100% acceptance rate into medical school" No school, not even Harvard, Yale, and Columbia has a 100% acceptance rate. Please post the number of your advisor at Brown who gave you that stat. I guess everyone at Stanford and Harvard should move to Brown, that way they are guaranteed accptance into medical school. But I guess Brown is just a "real" undergrad school and the other aren't. Yeah right !!! and Bush would trust Clinton with his twin daughters. I think you've been knocked on the head with the tennis ball a little to often my furry friend. Here's a tennis tip: Don't look at the sun when you try to smash the ball. The ball can and will hit you on the head. That one's free, the next time I charge.

7) "Good luck with the MCAT and best of luck in your future endeavors."

Good luck to you too. Trust me, you'll need plenty of luck. It's too bad medical schools don't have tennis teams, huh?

Listen, my tennis ball fetching furry friend, if you can't see that you are being embarrassed, then you need to wake-up from your "author's drift to sleep". Send in some reinforcements, maybe a NBA star turned MD,JD,MBA,PHD. Tell your imaginary brother Hoho I say good luck on his interviews. Let's just stop. The more you "try" to attack me, the more material you provide for me. I'm gonna stop, because it is obvious to me that you are impotent. By the way, I heard that they are in Phase three for a drug that works just like Viagra, except in works in the brain. Maybe I can get you in on the trials, you could use a little more blood in the MCA, that way you can get a little more blood to Wernicke's area. It's obvious that it's a little bit ischemic right now.

Game, Set, Match. 6-0,6-0,6-0.
Your instructor and coach,
LOUKARY





[This message has been edited by loukary (edited 02-17-2001).]
 
Leotigers hit the nail on the head.

You all take yourselves way too seriously.

I think Liquid Tension will make an excellent physician. Probably should steer away from peds or psych, but Gen. Surgery for sure!!

Part of the spice of life, people, is the ability to make fun of ourselves and learn how to take a good ribbing.

I don't see Liquid Tensions' remarks as anything other than tongue-in-cheek.

I don't believe for one second that he is racist.

And, by the way, NYCOM is a very good school but your OPP book by DJ Dowling sucks. I use it to balance the legs on my desk.
 
Dennis J. Dowling is an OMM prof at NYCOM, isn't he? I think he's a little stiff.


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Personally,

I find most OMM professors a little stiff, and certainly suspect.

Not to flame yet another debate, but I always thought OMM was an adjunct to other conventional treatment, which makes us uniquely D.O.'s.

Yet, we have D.O's who SPECIALIZE in manipulation?

Hmmm...sounds an awful lot like Chiropractic to me.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

Oh, crap. I forgot. We're in the Allopathic section.

Sorry, dudes...
 
Thank you for all the good sugestions to our subscriber discrimination concern.

But remember, this is a medical discussion forum. Please do not use racial slurs or defame this site by your lack of thinking before you submit. All comments are appreciated but will be edited/deleted if slander is involved.

As to address the real purpose of this thread. Discrimination does exist at all schools in some form or another as Liquid Tension illustrated. I would encourage everyone applying to medical schools to apply to at least 10-15 schools. Please do not let 2 rejections prevent you from achieving your goal of becoming a physician.
Good luck
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Diane
 
Thank you for all the good sugestions to our subscriber discrimination concern.

But remember, this is a medical discussion forum. Please do not use racial slurs or defame this site by your lack of thinking before you submit. All comments are appreciated but will be edited/deleted if slander is involved.

As to address the real purpose of this thread. Discrimination does exist at all schools in some form or another as Liquid Tension illustrated. I would encourage everyone applying to medical schools to apply to at least 10-15 schools. Please do not let 2 rejections prevent you from achieving your goal of becoming a physician.
Good luck
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Diane
 
Uh, oh... The OTHER moderator is here.

T. Wu
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Originally posted by turtleboard:
Dennis J. Dowling is an OMM prof at NYCOM, isn't he? I think he's a little stiff.


W.

Hey Turtle. Yes, Dr. Dowling is the chair of OMM at NYCOM. I am not sure what you mean by "stiff" when you refer to him. My feelings about him are both positive and negative, but I will only focus on the positive. For one, Dr. Dowling makes some of the best and most valuable power point presentations I have ever seen. He also is a good lecturer and I have learned a lot from him. I think overall, NYCOM and the students are lucky to have him.
-your warm Liquid

 
And, by the way, NYCOM is a very good school but your OPP book by DJ Dowling sucks. I use it to balance the legs on my desk. [/B][/QUOTE]

Hey Nostro,

Thanks a lot for your support. I totally appreciate it. As for our OMM book, I think it has its pro's and cons. I would not say that it totally sucks, however in some areas it is very weak. I think that the entire book could use an over-haul with more pictures added, better illustrations, and more emphasis on anatomy. Perhaps this will be seen with the next edition (if there ever is one)? best wishes Nostro and good luck with things.
-your blue-book reading Liquid
 
meharry ususally prefers in-state students.
 
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