DLP-IUHS

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  1. zeik

    zeik Junior Member
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    hI!!!!!!

    would like to talk to someone who is
    taking the DLP @ IUHS....

    e-mail me @ [email protected]


    thanks,steve
     
  2. Hirurg

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    Nope! Seems like a fishy idea...study basic science over distance???
    No way???
    You will not qualify for ECFMG in million years since they ask for specific amount of time if IN CLASS training.
    ;)
     
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    Hirurg,
    Try to refrain from responding to posts that you have no real knowledge about. Responses should provide factual information to the readers.
     
  4. zeik

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    thanks,you took the words that i was about to
    say......
     
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    You right!
    I have no factual info about that program. But I can think and am not restrained from stating my opinion.
    However, the fact remains none of the state med boards will let you participate in the match if one is coming from distance learning program.
    Anyhow...what does gross anatomy class look like, or histo?
    Just wondering :eek:
     
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    I suggest a search on this topic because we have had several lengthy and useful threads on DLP-IUHS in the past.

    best of luck. :D
     
  7. what little i know:

    certain states will not license you (eg. CA, PA)in fact if your school even offers distance learnig, PA will show you the door.

    no licensed graduates yet...also, no USMLE scores

    several "students" are actually also employees

    accusations of acceptoing advanced standing, and an offer out to accept Podiatry school coursework toward an MD

    as far as i am concerned, the only reason to risk all of your time and money on this school is if you cannot get in ANYWHRE else. i really can think of no compelling reason to risk it. sure, everything was new and innovative once...that does not mean that everything new and innovative succeeds! if you want to practice medicine, go to a school that has produced licensed graduates and study away from home. if you want to get your MD over the internet, be prepared to have a worthless degree, or a limited one at best.

    good luck
     
  8. zeik

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    hi NEIL!!!!


    thanks for the info...since some people
    go to England for clinicals,it may be possible to practice in Europe or Africa.or
    anywhere.....not everyone wants to stay
    in America where the priority is MONEY!!!!
    those of us who love the idea of being a
    DOCTOR will be proud to be ANYWHERE!!!!!
     
  9. you may be able to use the degree to practice in england, i am not sure...

    but, the big question is "why limit yourself?"

    there are plenty of schools that have a track record of producing good graduates that can be licensed in the US, as well as other countries. what on earth would possess someone to attend this school, i will never know. the only 2 reasons i can think of are that nowhere else would accept you or you really want to stay home and learn medicine in your pajamas....who cares that the degree may well be worthless.

    i am very interested in hearing a single reason to attend IUHS over a proven school in the caribean, europe, australia or wherever.
     
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    Last year I applied, was accepted, and then ended up declining their offer for entrance into IUHS' DLP program. This is my take on the program for what its worth:

    Here is the upside. The school itself seems to be legitimate. The school is indeed legally chartered in St. Kitts and is currently listed in the World Health Organization's Directory of Medical Schools. Those are the two main requirements (not necessarily the ONLY requirements) for graduates who wish to become ECFMG certified. I personally contacted ECFMG and was told that I would be eligible to take the exam if I was a graduate of IUHS'DLP.

    As far as the DLP itself is concerned, I think it is for a select group of people, mainly, allied health professionals such as PAs and NPs. To attempt the two year didactic portion online without a strong medical background would be extremely difficult to put it mildly. Their software and delivery methods are pretty good. I reviewed it from a friend who was enrolled in the program. I'll admit, I was impressed. The Distance Learning concept, as we all know, is not totally new to the US educational system. It has received quite a bit of recognition and acceptance even on a post-graduate level. Having said that, IUHS is the first medical school that I know of who has offered it's didactic portion online. Antigua did it subsequently, I believe, but unfortunately I have not heard good things about their program. IUHS also subscribes to the PBL approach which I think is a great way to learn medicine.

    OK, so that all sounds well and good. The downside, IMHO, is that graduates will most certainly run into problems obtaining state licensure in many US states. First, before they even become graduates, they have to overcome the hurdle of finding ACGME hospitals that will take them during their clerkships. Lets assume that happens. They then have to find a residency that will take them and get licensed in that state as a medical resident. That will also be a huge hurdle, but let's just say they manage to pull that off as well. The biggest problem will be permanent licensure in many, if not most, states. I personally contacted over a dozen states and reviewed the state statute regarding licensure requirements. There are many states such as MA, TX, and CA that I checked with whom specifically state that the first two years of medical school must be completed on the physical site of the campus. This was not intended to thwart distance learning but instead to prevent people from obtaining medical diplomas through "medical school diploma factories". To verify attendance, most states request that the graduate show proof of attendance by producing a passport with the appropriate dates verifying attendance.

    The more I looked into IUHS' DLP, the more potential pitfalls I found that may very well have made my diploma great for one thing and one thing only, toilet paper. For me, it was just too much money, time, and energy to roll the dice with. In the future, it may be a viable option. Before that happens, however, IUHS will have to prove itself through a number of mechanisms such as publishing USMLE Step 1 scores and have graduates placed in decent US residencies with subsequent granting of permanent licensure. Until that happens, I would be very leery of enrolling in their DLP.

    If going out of the country is your best shot at medical school, try St. George's, you'll get a good education without any risk.
     
  11. zeik

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    Thanks for the reply Neil!!!!

    always good to get advice from someone in
    the know....personally after being in LAB
    Medicine for 25 yrs.,and working all aspects
    of patient care,and personally studying
    topics,and workshops and seminars,and possessing most of the Medical books being
    used today,I feel that i could easily
    ascertain the necessary knowledge to pass
    USMLE....Also we always have 1 or 2 students
    that are in 3rd % 4th yr., at our clinic
    doing Family Prac. Blocks....And I can stand
    up to anyone one of those and discuss any
    disease or symptoms or lab or Radiology report....so you see,not everyone is looking
    for the same thing in a school....I like the concept and I firmly believe it can work for
    me.....
     
  12. i have no doubt that you and many others can succed with such curriculum and pass the USMLE. however, what concerns me is your options and the viability of your degree after you have invested time and money. you will never know if your degree will be worthless. in fact, there was a school several years back that actually had all of its graduates licenses revoked (if what i have been told is correct...somewhere in Dominica, i think) because it issued several diplomas to students who never set foot on campus or attended anything medical.

    i just hope that you go into this with yor eyes open, and realize that you are taking a huge risk, which seems a little silly. i mean, if you feel so capable, what is the prolem with spending 5 semesters on some island at a reputable school and then coming home with a good degree? anyhow, whatever you choose, best of luck!
     
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    Scenario: A student takes his first 2 years of medical school at Harvard, the next IUHS/e-LP, and the last on Mars, they all get 230 on Step 1, Which one has more knowlegde of the basic sciences?
     
  14. the point is not who knows the basic science better. i am not questioning the quality of IUHS because i have no idea how good or bad it is. what i do know is that the state boards do not really care how good you say your knowledge is. what they care about in a foreign graduate is how they percieve your education. i know that board scores are important to program directors, but the state only cares if you pass. and you could be the smartes person, the most compasionate and skilled physician, yet if they consider the foreign school you attended as bogus, you are out of luck.

    so, the bottom line is, look for a track record and graduates with proven results and licenses to practice in the US. without such a record, the school only offers empty promises...no matter how good the education may be. i have no personal problem with the methods or quality of IUHS (although many ex-students do!), just concerns about the ability of the school to sell this idea to the state boards.
     
  15. zeik

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    Hi !!!!!!!!

    neil why did you choose the school that
    you are attending....did you look at St.
    george,ross,or any of the so called established schools in the caribbean....
    seems like a long way off the chart,although
    i have heard some good things about Prague..
    just wondering....were you rejected at the
    US Schools or was it the adventure of living
    abroad....personally i have looked at the established schools,but i like the idea of
    being able to work in the medical field where i can make some money and get to see all the patients i want to in Family prac.
    and Pediatrics....bon soire
     
  16. i picked my school mainly for 2 reasons:

    first, i like the idea of a european school better than a caribean school, just for my personal perception. my university has been training doctors for a long time, and does not exist only for all of us rejects...

    second, i like the idea of getting 2 educations for the price of one. i am learning about medicine and about a new culture, not to mention the fact that there are a lot of differences in the pracitice of medicine throughout the world.

    to a lesser degree, i liked the idea of having six years of mellow studies versus four years of intense. i have more time to assimilate and understand the info presented. also, medicine here is less dependant on technology, more hands on and physical exam dependant. and finally, the cost is much less. my debt after 6 years here will be less than most US students after 4 years, and i get stafford loans.

    basically, look at every angle of every program you are interested in, and find your best pick. i gave up some things by coming here, but i still think i made the right choice for me. being a foreign student is tough enough. make sure you pick the school that is your best fit, and think of EVERYTHING!!! good luck, and i will be happy to help any way possible.
     

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