Or just those ones going for a competitive specialty?
I'm going to start studying this summer and want to make sure I'm prepping appropriately.
I'm going to start studying this summer and want to make sure I'm prepping appropriately.
Or just those ones going for a competitive specialty?
I'm going to start studying this summer and want to make sure I'm prepping appropriately.
The answer is a resounding yes unless u want to go unmatched or settle for IM/FM in the boonies.
Coming from experience just matched this year. I ended up not taking the usmle and I regret it. I scored high on comlex high end of 500, top 5% of my class , all honors except one high pass in clerkships, interviews went good. I believed programs when they said they take comlex on their website so I thought I didn't need the usmle. I didn't apply to any really competitive programs so I thought I'd be fine. Yes i got interviews at those places but in the end I didnt match to my top two places who I saw took IMG and FMG over me. I still ended up at a good program but I know in the end it came down to me not having usmle.....point is as a DO take usmle so you are on equal ground as the mds who take it . Yes it's stupid but unfortunately that's how it goesOr just those ones going for a competitive specialty?
I'm going to start studying this summer and want to make sure I'm prepping appropriately.
Coming from experience just matched this year. I ended up not taking the usmle and I regret it. I scored high on comlex high end of 500, top 5% of my class , all honors except one high pass in clerkships, interviews went good. I believed programs when they said they take comlex on their website so I thought I didn't need the usmle. I didn't apply to any really competitive programs so I thought I'd be fine. Yes i got interviews at those places but in the end I didnt match to my top two places who I saw took IMG and FMG over me. I still ended up at a good program but I know in the end it came down to me not having usmle.....point is as a DO take usmle so you are on equal ground as the mds who take it . Yes it's stupid but unfortunately that's how it goes
I know, right? Let's ignore the tens upon tens upon tens of personal experiences that dr celts alluded to and rely on that random anonymous internet experience. Especially when that random person on an anonymous forum KNOWS that's why they didn't match there.
....What
There's a saying about horses and drinking.
Either way they likely missed the part that they matched regardless.
I know, right? Let's ignore the tens upon tens upon tens of personal experiences that dr celts alluded to and rely on that random anonymous internet experience. Especially when that random person on an anonymous forum KNOWS that's why they didn't match there.
....What
I know of, personally, numerous DO's who have graduated within the last 1-2 years who have only taken comlex and matched at university programs in the fields celts talked about. But, of course, you only listen to what you want so not even sure why I'm replying.
As an aside I'm pretty damn pro-usmle for DOs. But, man, not taking it is definitely not a free ride to the land of suck that you have convinced yourself it is.
There is a difference between matching in the boonies and matching at a desirable location.
I know of, personally, numerous DO's who have graduated within the last 1-2 years who have only taken comlex and matched at university programs in the fields celts talked about. But, of course, you only listen to what you want so not even sure why I'm replying.
As an aside I'm pretty damn pro-usmle for DOs. But, man, not taking it is definitely not a free ride to the land of suck that you have convinced yourself it is.
I matched into a great university program in a very desirable city. I only took comlex like I said earlier So it is possible to still match into a md program only taking comlex. But you shut doors at some places and even if you get an interview in the end when rank order is being done I feel that person with the usmle will be ranked higher up than a person with comlex only. even if they have a low usmle 200 a comlex only person will still be ranked lower.Minneapolis, Kansas City, St. Louis, and a few others I know matched university FM programs. I know another two from last year who matched competitive specialties at KUMC & UMKC with just COMLEX, but I consider those less of my point because I would recommend USMLE if someone wanted to go into them.
But regardless, I have no real need to continue arguing with you. Plenty of people will continue to match relatively well in non-competitive specialties in decent places. And to remind you, the world does exist outside of surgery and more fields than not aren't extremely competitive.
I matched into a great university program in a very desirable city. I only took comlex like I said earlier So it is possible to still match into a md program only taking comlex. But you shut doors at some places and even if you get an interview in the end when rank order is being done I feel that person with the usmle will be ranked higher up than a person with comlex only. even if they have a low usmle 200 a comlex only person will still be ranked lower.
Minneapolis, Kansas City, St. Louis, and a few others I know matched university FM programs. I know another two from last year who matched competitive specialties at KUMC & UMKC with just COMLEX, but I consider those less of my point because I would recommend USMLE if someone wanted to go into them.
But regardless, I have no real need to continue arguing with you. Plenty of people will continue to match relatively well in non-competitive specialties in decent places. And to remind you, the world does exist outside of surgery and more fields than not aren't extremely competitive.
Why wouldn't you try to make yourself the most competitive applicant?
Pure laziness and insecurity.
?? How do you figure that? Everyone I know that didn't take it had good reasons for doing so, including not needing it for their desired specialty and match location, not wanting to pay 600 bucks for an additional questionably necessary exam while they are supporting a full family on their loan allotment, and not feeling comfortable based on their pre-exam NBMEs. Get your head out of your ass and realize that different people do different things for different reasons. You act so much holier-than-thou and you haven't even taken these exams yet.Pure laziness and insecurity.
Exactly. When I hear my classmates in my class tell me they aren't taking USMLE.....it's always the laziest ones.
Nobody knows what the desired specialty and match location are before Year 3.?? How do you figure that? Everyone I know that didn't take it had good reasons for doing so, including not needing it for their desired specialty and match location
How much is $600 in term of the overall tuition of $300K for four years again? Excuse.not wanting to pay 600 bucks for an additional questionably necessary exam while they are supporting a full family on their loan allotment
This goes back to my point of insecurity in term of feeling more comfortable being placed in a curve among DO students on the COMLEX exam vs being placed in a curve among MD students on the USMLE. For these people, PDs are right to feel that DOs are inferior medical students relative to MDs.not feeling comfortable based on their pre-exam NBMEs.
I'm pretty sure I know multiple people who knew what they wanted to match and where they wanted to match before year 3. My comment still stands, stop giving advice when you haven't even taken the exams yet.Nobody knows what the desired specialty and match location are before Year 3.
How much is $600 in term of the overall tuition of $300K for four years again? Excuse.
This goes back to my point of insecurity in term of feeling more comfortable being placed in a curve among DO students on the COMLEX exam vs being placed in a curve among MD students on the USMLE. For these people, PDs are right to feel that DOs are inferior medical students relative to MDs.
I'm pretty sure I know multiple people who knew what they wanted to match and where they wanted to match before year 3. My comment still stands, stop giving advice when you haven't even taken the exams yet.
I never said to be complacent, I said you don't know everyone's situation, so you are not qualified to give people that advice on such a forum.I don't need to take Step 1 to tell people to take the USMLE in order to make themselves more competitive in the new landscape 2020 and after. If you want to give bad advice by telling people to be complacent bc the COMLEX is a good substitute for the USMLE, you're wrong by multiple accounts of people who have taken both exams and matched to residencies.
Too bad a usmle score doesn't compensate for being such a boring prick.
i find insult in that. That is not the case for everyone! Like I said I was top of my class and I am far from lazy. My school told us we didn't need to take it. Of course now I know that's wrong but I didn't know any better. When you read on a programs website they take comlex you believe it. Naive maybe but not lazy! Please don't make rude comments when you don't know anyone situation. I could say the same thing about MD students let them take our test with the comlex portion and let's see how they do. The omm portion in my opinion wasn't the easiest part of the test and a lot of the questions are out of left field.Pure laziness and insecurity.
Psych or neuro. Preferably in a location that has wifi. I would prefer not to be in the middle of nowhere. I'm considering forensic psychiatry lately and I'm told if you do a good residency, it makes you look better when you show up in court to give an opinion. So a nice-ish psych residency?I swear every thread here sounds the same or has the same arguments.
Anyway, it depends on what specialty you want to go to and how competitive you want to me. IMO, just prepare for the USLME, work hard, do your best.
It's okay, third year evals and interviews will filter him into the SOAP.
I don't have any money to vacation or enjoy myself. My family is poor. I'd travel the world if I only had the money. Maybe my kids will get to be so lucky.Assuming you're a first year who just finished, please don't start studying now and enjoy your summer. It's not worth it at all. Just enjoy yourself.
Or just those ones going for a competitive specialty?
I'm going to start studying this summer and want to make sure I'm prepping appropriately.
Too bad a usmle score doesn't compensate for being such a boring prick.
I would rather be a boring prick than a fake person who gives people incorrect advice that could determine people's career.
I would rather be a boring prick than a fake person who gives people incorrect advice that could determine people's career.
I don't have any money to vacation or enjoy myself. My family is poor. I'd travel the world if I only had the money. Maybe my kids will get to be so lucky.
And I know after a week or two I'm going to be bored out of my skull. And by the time I get a job, summer will be mostly over. So I rather just learn. I drank from a firehose all year and had to compromise how well I learned things because of time constraints. Plus the more times you see things, the better chance of it entering long-term memory. And the easier it is to relearn, say a year from now. Plus I need to keep my base knowledge strong for year two.
I feel like I forgot a lot. Couldn't even read an EKG if I wanted to right now . . . And forgot a ton of anatomy.
you don't need that much money. I didn't have money either. just do local events, hang out with friends, and relax. Go to a gym, or use tinder. Something. I matched into an MD psych residency, university program. Studying summer of MS1 won't affect your chances of doing that as well lol
Off to your Dakotas residency!
The people I know who aren't take it are either people who won't likely do well on it, want to go into primary care, and military students who from what I understand have no disadvantages in not taking it.
Thank you, I appreciate it. Im sure you will do awesome in the match as well. just believe in yourself and work hard. That usually helps more then anything else.Grapefruit. You've been an SDN OG I've looked up to since the get go. You a real one!
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