Do DOs take pride in their identity or not?

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I wanted to get some viewpoints on how DOs view themselves. Sometimes it seems some want to hide it, some are ambivalent.... So any opinions would be appreciated.

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What do you mean? I think everyone should take pride in who they are.
 
I wanted to get some viewpoints on how DOs view themselves. Sometimes it seems some want to hide it, some are ambivalent.... So any opinions would be appreciated.
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They have a month where they're proud. It's called DO Pride Month, kinda like Black Pride Month. As for the rest of the year, who knows?
 
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I'm just a student but I don't take particular pride in being a DO. I'm proud that I'm going to be a doctor, but not being a DO specifically.
I'm not bothered by it, but I don't think I'm a special snowflake either.
 
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I'm going to have a skillset MDs don't. I think more holistically, and use evidence based medicine cautiously, and appropriately. We are individuals and I am not an MD who would simply think of patients as a number or literature review article. I think about the whole patient and not just their symptoms. Pride? The only pride I have is that I care about my patients deeply and am personally invested in their health.

TLDR; **** you, pay me.
 
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I'm going to have a skillset MDs don't. I think more holistically, and use evidence based medicine cautiously, and appropriately. We are individuals and I am not an MD who would simply think of patients as a number or literature review article. I think about the whole patient and not just their symptoms. Pride? The only pride I have is that I care about my patients deeply and am personally invested in their health.

TLDR; **** you, pay me.

Sure you're not a DNP?
 
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Most I know simply think of themselves as doctors. Nothing special about being a DO per se. I think the vast majority of DO's feel this way as evidenced by the riducously low number who actually practice OMM after graduation.
 
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I take massive pride in being a physician but little if none in being a DO specifically. I don't think I'd take more pride as an MD and do feel the more holistic exposure in med school was valuable including parts of OMM. I feel torn but way too many friends advocate disproven things like cranial OMM and similar crazy stuff. If that were minimized I'd take more pride. I feel the DO perspective does offer lots to be proud of. But it's drowned out by the crazies. And I like OMM. But I didn't like being told, as a psychiatrist, to touch my patients skulls and rearrange the cranial bones especially when the inter rater reliability was shown to be zero or negative with cranial
 
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I take massive pride in being a physician but little if none in being a DO specifically. I don't think I'd take more pride as an MD and do feel the more holistic exposure in med school was valuable including parts of OMM. I feel torn but way too many friends advocate disproven things like cranial OMM and similar crazy stuff. If that were minimized I'd take more pride. I feel the DO perspective does offer lots to be proud of. But it's drowned out by the crazies. And I like OMM. But I didn't like being told, as a psychiatrist, to touch my patients skulls and rearrange the cranial bones especially when the inter rater reliability was shown to be zero or negative with cranial

Cranial and Chapman's points are about as legit as visiting the local witch doctor. People who buy into that are buying into a belief. Kinda like religion, just not the commonly accepted religion. Like the David Koresh type religion only more crazy. If you're the type of person who would make major life decisions based on what the ouija board tells you then it will be right up your alley.

You should be proud of a degree that tests that stuff on its licesining exams.
 
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I'm going to have a skillset MDs don't. I think more holistically, and use evidence based medicine cautiously, and appropriately. We are individuals and I am not an MD who would simply think of patients as a number or literature review article. I think about the whole patient and not just their symptoms. Pride? The only pride I have is that I care about my patients deeply and am personally invested in their health.

TLDR; **** you, pay me.

When is there an inappropriate time to use evidence based medicine?

TLDR; **** you, pay me.

I need sleep.
 
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I do take pride in being a (future) DO. I've worked my butt off for my degree and I won't be ashamed to call myself an Osteopathic Physician. I don't consider myself better than my MD colleagues but I do find value in the DO philosophy and the emphasis they place on primary care.
 
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I'll take pride in being a DO if I accomplish something unique (ie matching ortho at Hopkins)
 
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I wanted to get some viewpoints on how DOs view themselves. Sometimes it seems some want to hide it, some are ambivalent.... So any opinions would be appreciated.

You can either be proud of the person you are and what you've accomplished or you can care about what other people think of you.
 
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I'm proud to be a physician. When I think "proud to be a DO" I think of all the hacks who stood up in front of us in lecture and told us how much better we are than MD's, how we can diagnose MI and appendicitis by feeling people's backs and cure disease by touching people's heads.
 
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Do you think that dentists with a DMD are more proud than dentists with a DDS?

Since DOs are a diverse group of people, I'd expect to find broad variations among their opinions of themselves and the profession. I'm sure that there are some who hold opinions that I would find a little odd, like feeling as if their identities are defined by the letters after their name and that this should inspire pride or shame.

But if I had to guess, it would be that the majority of DOs are too busy being physicians to have a lot of weird hang-ups about their identity. I'd guess they don't have a lot of time to sit around and play comparison games where they try to define themselves in relation to other doctors. Certainly, the ones I've known seem not to think about it at all, as they have too many patients to see to bother with such inanity.
 
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By suggesting you are more skilled than MDs, MDs don't think holistically about patients, and treat them as numbers/literature, you are part of the problem. you let the "osteopathic philosophy" get into your head. If you want to be viewed as an equally qualified physician than you have to view yourself as an equally qualified physician - you're not special and neither are MDs. Evidence based medicine is a good thing, not something you should be "cautious" about.

LOL. Don't take the bait.

There really ought to be a special font for sarcasm, to make it more obvious to the credulous that they need not take what they have just read so srsly.
 
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says the premed....

lol

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Sitting in a DO lecture sometimes is like being an East German and having to live/breathe and accept socialism back in the days of the GDR. We have to play the game just like they did. But in the end, when we do away with childish things like OMM, we become one with our MD brethren and realize there's hardly any difference. We might be a tad behind our MD counterparts in rotations, but we will have to catch up. I'll be so glad when the OMM propaganda is over. In answer to OP, nobody cares. We are all extremely happy and proud that we are going to be doctors.
 
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Pretty successful troll thread
You've gotten all the self-hating osteopathic folks all riled up and you didn't even mention "MD vs DO"
 
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dude, remember all this when you get to cranial and chapmans - those "skills/distinctiveness" are just shooting yourself in the foot. don't tell anyone you're special because you know cranial and chapmans. in addition to being laughed at by farm animals, you'll be laughed at by your colleagues.

telling people that you believe in cranial/chapmans is like telling people that you believe space aliens and the easter bunny. just not a good idea if you want someone to take you seriously.

OMG. You assume so much, and take yourself so seriously that image macros are the only way I can bring myself to respond to you.

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(This is me demonstrating my superior OMM tech.)
 
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What I find so funny is that the only endorsement of the "cool aid" came from someone who was clearly mocking it, and yet that has been enough to bring all the OMM-haters out in full froth. That is why I keep lolling.

Troll thread is win.
 
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Sheesh. It's a job. People just want to go to work and go home. Nobody cares.

Seriously, if you define your identity by your degree or your work, you're probably going to have a miserable life. There are no job titles on tombstones.

Yeah, obvious troll was obvious.
 
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Sheesh. It's a job. People just want to go to work and go home. Nobody cares.

Seriously, if you define your identity by your degree or your work, you're probably going to have a miserable life. There are no job titles on tombstones.

Yeah, obvious troll was obvious.
I could see it being a big deal to people who want to go into academia, which is filled with intellectual posturing and circle jerks.
 
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telling people that you believe in cranial/chapmans is like telling people that you believe space aliens and the easter bunny. just not a good idea if you want someone to take you seriously.

I couldn't agree more.

I'll take pride in my role as a MEDICAL doctor (as a DO).
I will NOT take pride in my training as an OSTEOPATHIC doctor because I believe it's all a bunch of bs.

This is what it reminds me of (from whatshouldwecalldoschool.tumblr.com):

"When I hear a classmate trying to explain cranial to a muggle (non-DO student)":
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I couldn't agree more.

I'll take pride in my role as a MEDICAL doctor (as a DO).
I will NOT take pride in my training as an OSTEOPATHIC doctor because I believe it's all a bunch of bs.

This is what it reminds me of (from whatshouldwecalldoschool.tumblr.com):

"When I hear a classmate trying to explain cranial to a muggle (non-DO student)":
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Nothing provides me with more confidence in my physician than their beloved obsession with children's novels.
 
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just curious. How would enjoying children's novels subtract from a doctor's capacity to do his/her job?
And for my next trick, I will pander to a strawman built upon my mocking of a terrible joke.
 
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I've always been an underdog anyway.

Gotta own it.
 
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I don't think people actively hide it. My sibling is an MD student and they do not go around bragging about it. Its the same way I feel as a DO student. We only tell people if they ask what we do.

Anyways I take pride in my degree because its definitely something I earned and deserved...plus I will get to help a lot of people in the future.
 
no I don't really take pride in being a DO. I wouldn't really take pride in being an MD either if I was one. I also don't go around mentioning im gonna be a doctor to people to "wow" them and I didn't go into medicine for social status, I feel that people on both sides who get caught up in the MD/DO thing are too worried about living for other people.

DO's none of your patients care about DO/MD. Most cant differentiate between PA/NP/DO/MD. Shut up and do your job.

MD's if you think you're superior to DO's and like to give yourself a false sense of worth by mentioning it, hopefully you'll match into Harvard Derm or you'll have to buy a really expensive car to make up for it. Make sure its a bright color and has your name on it with M.D on the end so everyone can see.


I went DO over MD only because I happen to be from a town with a DO school in it. So I didn't have to leave my family. and also I've helped them with neck or back pain using OMM which is cool.
 
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...I also don't go around mentioning im gonna be a doctor to people to "wow" them and I didn't go into medicine for social status, I feel that people on both sides who get caught up in the MD/DO thing are too worried about living for other people.

DO's none of your patients care about DO/MD. Most cant differentiate between PA/NP/DO/MD. Shut up and do your job...

This. Only this.
 
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What the **** is "cool-aid?" It's "Kool-Aid" you cretins.
 
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I'm a student at an MD school but I did an SMP at a DO school which was essentially first year of med school. From my time there, I met several DOs that I would classify under different categories in regards to how they view themselves, or at least how they portray that they view themselves.

On one end, I have come across a handful of DOs who truly view themselves as the highest caliber, and I could never pinpoint exactly why. Granted DOs require additional work and double the boards, but some do take it to another extreme of pride, almost as if to be compensating for something. These are not the majority though.

Most DOs that I've had conversations with openly recognize the stereotype but at the end of the day, the two degrees are not that different. Being proud to be DO is really just being proud to be a physician. MDs are proud as well, again usually just proud to be a physician. Right now during school its just a game of competitiveness.

Some DO students feel they're less competitive, which may contribute to wanting to hide or downplay their degree, but that usually changes after residency.

And regardless of who or how many people believe MDs to be superior to DOs for the mere fact that its more difficult to be accepted into MD, there are an endless number of students hoping/wishing/praying to get into any med school and would jump at the opportunity to be a DO. And this class of individuals will always be proud to call themselves physician by whatever letters they can.

I think whether or not anybody looks down on DO (be it students or the public) really comes down to either how educated they are about the medical field or how much they even know about osteopathic schools. There was a time that I was also uneducated on the differences, or should I say, similarities between the two. I ultimately went the MD route because of university competitiveness and, more honestly, the fact that public perception still matters to me.

At a certain point, the work you do will begin to speak for itself. My family has a tight circle of doctor friends, and until I was going through the application process, I didn't know any of them were DO. I did however know them all as Doctor. And I'm sure the neurosurgeon DO likely doesn't feel any shame for his degree, nor should he.
 
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I'm a student at an MD school but I did an SMP at a DO school which was essentially first year of med school. From my time there, I met several DOs that I would classify under different categories in regards to how they view themselves, or at least how they portray that they view themselves.

On one end, I have come across a handful of DOs who truly view themselves as the highest caliber, and I could never pinpoint exactly why. Granted DOs require additional work and double the boards, but some do take it to another extreme of pride, almost as if to be compensating for something. These are not the majority though.

Most DOs that I've had conversations with openly recognize the stereotype but at the end of the day, the two degrees are not that different. Being proud to be DO is really just being proud to be a physician. MDs are proud as well, again usually just proud to be a physician. Right now during school its just a game of competitiveness.

Some DO students feel they're less competitive, which may contribute to wanting to hide or downplay their degree, but that usually changes after residency.

And regardless of who or how many people believe MDs to be superior to DOs for the mere fact that its more difficult to be accepted into MD, there are an endless number of students hoping/wishing/praying to get into any med school and would jump at the opportunity to be a DO. And this class of individuals will always be proud to call themselves physician by whatever letters they can.

I think whether or not anybody looks down on DO (be it students or the public) really comes down to either how educated they are about the medical field or how much they even know about osteopathic schools. There was a time that I was also uneducated on the differences, or should I say, similarities between the two. I ultimately went the MD route because of university competitiveness and, more honestly, the fact that public perception still matters to me.

At a certain point, the work you do will begin to speak for itself. My family has a tight circle of doctor friends, and until I was going through the application process, I didn't know any of them were DO. I did however know them all as Doctor. And I'm sure the neurosurgeon DO likely doesn't feel any shame for his degree, nor should he.
Well said.
 
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I'm a student at an MD school but I did an SMP at a DO school which was essentially first year of med school. From my time there, I met several DOs that I would classify under different categories in regards to how they view themselves, or at least how they portray that they view themselves.

On one end, I have come across a handful of DOs who truly view themselves as the highest caliber, and I could never pinpoint exactly why. Granted DOs require additional work and double the boards, but some do take it to another extreme of pride, almost as if to be compensating for something. These are not the majority though.

Most DOs that I've had conversations with openly recognize the stereotype but at the end of the day, the two degrees are not that different. Being proud to be DO is really just being proud to be a physician. MDs are proud as well, again usually just proud to be a physician. Right now during school its just a game of competitiveness.

Some DO students feel they're less competitive, which may contribute to wanting to hide or downplay their degree, but that usually changes after residency.

And regardless of who or how many people believe MDs to be superior to DOs for the mere fact that its more difficult to be accepted into MD, there are an endless number of students hoping/wishing/praying to get into any med school and would jump at the opportunity to be a DO. And this class of individuals will always be proud to call themselves physician by whatever letters they can.

I think whether or not anybody looks down on DO (be it students or the public) really comes down to either how educated they are about the medical field or how much they even know about osteopathic schools. There was a time that I was also uneducated on the differences, or should I say, similarities between the two. I ultimately went the MD route because of university competitiveness and, more honestly, the fact that public perception still matters to me.

At a certain point, the work you do will begin to speak for itself. My family has a tight circle of doctor friends, and until I was going through the application process, I didn't know any of them were DO. I did however know them all as Doctor. And I'm sure the neurosurgeon DO likely doesn't feel any shame for his degree, nor should he.
Boom..goes the dynamite.
 
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