I wanted to get some viewpoints on how DOs view themselves. Sometimes it seems some want to hide it, some are ambivalent.... So any opinions would be appreciated.
I want to troll...lalala. I want to roll then troll...lalala...I want to roll-troll...lalalaI wanted to get some viewpoints on how DOs view themselves. Sometimes it seems some want to hide it, some are ambivalent.... So any opinions would be appreciated.
I'm going to have a skillset MDs don't. I think more holistically, and use evidence based medicine cautiously, and appropriately. We are individuals and I am not an MD who would simply think of patients as a number or literature review article. I think about the whole patient and not just their symptoms. Pride? The only pride I have is that I care about my patients deeply and am personally invested in their health.
TLDR; **** you, pay me.
Sarcasm broSure you're not a DNP?
I take massive pride in being a physician but little if none in being a DO specifically. I don't think I'd take more pride as an MD and do feel the more holistic exposure in med school was valuable including parts of OMM. I feel torn but way too many friends advocate disproven things like cranial OMM and similar crazy stuff. If that were minimized I'd take more pride. I feel the DO perspective does offer lots to be proud of. But it's drowned out by the crazies. And I like OMM. But I didn't like being told, as a psychiatrist, to touch my patients skulls and rearrange the cranial bones especially when the inter rater reliability was shown to be zero or negative with cranial
I'm going to have a skillset MDs don't. I think more holistically, and use evidence based medicine cautiously, and appropriately. We are individuals and I am not an MD who would simply think of patients as a number or literature review article. I think about the whole patient and not just their symptoms. Pride? The only pride I have is that I care about my patients deeply and am personally invested in their health.
TLDR; **** you, pay me.
TLDR; **** you, pay me.
I wanted to get some viewpoints on how DOs view themselves. Sometimes it seems some want to hide it, some are ambivalent.... So any opinions would be appreciated.
By suggesting you are more skilled than MDs, MDs don't think holistically about patients, and treat them as numbers/literature, you are part of the problem. you let the "osteopathic philosophy" get into your head. If you want to be viewed as an equally qualified physician than you have to view yourself as an equally qualified physician - you're not special and neither are MDs. Evidence based medicine is a good thing, not something you should be "cautious" about.
dude, remember all this when you get to cranial and chapmans - those "skills/distinctiveness" are just shooting yourself in the foot. don't tell anyone you're special because you know cranial and chapmans. in addition to being laughed at by farm animals, you'll be laughed at by your colleagues.
telling people that you believe in cranial/chapmans is like telling people that you believe space aliens and the easter bunny. just not a good idea if you want someone to take you seriously.
I could see it being a big deal to people who want to go into academia, which is filled with intellectual posturing and circle jerks.Sheesh. It's a job. People just want to go to work and go home. Nobody cares.
Seriously, if you define your identity by your degree or your work, you're probably going to have a miserable life. There are no job titles on tombstones.
Yeah, obvious troll was obvious.
telling people that you believe in cranial/chapmans is like telling people that you believe space aliens and the easter bunny. just not a good idea if you want someone to take you seriously.
Nothing provides me with more confidence in my physician than their beloved obsession with children's novels.I couldn't agree more.
I'll take pride in my role as a MEDICAL doctor (as a DO).
I will NOT take pride in my training as an OSTEOPATHIC doctor because I believe it's all a bunch of bs.
This is what it reminds me of (from whatshouldwecalldoschool.tumblr.com):
"When I hear a classmate trying to explain cranial to a muggle (non-DO student)":
And for my next trick, I will pander to a strawman built upon my mocking of a terrible joke.just curious. How would enjoying children's novels subtract from a doctor's capacity to do his/her job?
Oooooh how intellectual.
I'll take pride in being a DO if I accomplish something unique (ie matching ortho at Hopkins)
Yea you're not matching ortho at Hopkins as a DO...sorry
...I also don't go around mentioning im gonna be a doctor to people to "wow" them and I didn't go into medicine for social status, I feel that people on both sides who get caught up in the MD/DO thing are too worried about living for other people.
DO's none of your patients care about DO/MD. Most cant differentiate between PA/NP/DO/MD. Shut up and do your job...
Yea you're not matching ortho at Hopkins as a DO...sorry
I wanted to get some viewpoints on how DOs view themselves. Sometimes it seems some want to hide it, some are ambivalent.... So any opinions would be appreciated.
Well said.I'm a student at an MD school but I did an SMP at a DO school which was essentially first year of med school. From my time there, I met several DOs that I would classify under different categories in regards to how they view themselves, or at least how they portray that they view themselves.
On one end, I have come across a handful of DOs who truly view themselves as the highest caliber, and I could never pinpoint exactly why. Granted DOs require additional work and double the boards, but some do take it to another extreme of pride, almost as if to be compensating for something. These are not the majority though.
Most DOs that I've had conversations with openly recognize the stereotype but at the end of the day, the two degrees are not that different. Being proud to be DO is really just being proud to be a physician. MDs are proud as well, again usually just proud to be a physician. Right now during school its just a game of competitiveness.
Some DO students feel they're less competitive, which may contribute to wanting to hide or downplay their degree, but that usually changes after residency.
And regardless of who or how many people believe MDs to be superior to DOs for the mere fact that its more difficult to be accepted into MD, there are an endless number of students hoping/wishing/praying to get into any med school and would jump at the opportunity to be a DO. And this class of individuals will always be proud to call themselves physician by whatever letters they can.
I think whether or not anybody looks down on DO (be it students or the public) really comes down to either how educated they are about the medical field or how much they even know about osteopathic schools. There was a time that I was also uneducated on the differences, or should I say, similarities between the two. I ultimately went the MD route because of university competitiveness and, more honestly, the fact that public perception still matters to me.
At a certain point, the work you do will begin to speak for itself. My family has a tight circle of doctor friends, and until I was going through the application process, I didn't know any of them were DO. I did however know them all as Doctor. And I'm sure the neurosurgeon DO likely doesn't feel any shame for his degree, nor should he.
Boom..goes the dynamite.I'm a student at an MD school but I did an SMP at a DO school which was essentially first year of med school. From my time there, I met several DOs that I would classify under different categories in regards to how they view themselves, or at least how they portray that they view themselves.
On one end, I have come across a handful of DOs who truly view themselves as the highest caliber, and I could never pinpoint exactly why. Granted DOs require additional work and double the boards, but some do take it to another extreme of pride, almost as if to be compensating for something. These are not the majority though.
Most DOs that I've had conversations with openly recognize the stereotype but at the end of the day, the two degrees are not that different. Being proud to be DO is really just being proud to be a physician. MDs are proud as well, again usually just proud to be a physician. Right now during school its just a game of competitiveness.
Some DO students feel they're less competitive, which may contribute to wanting to hide or downplay their degree, but that usually changes after residency.
And regardless of who or how many people believe MDs to be superior to DOs for the mere fact that its more difficult to be accepted into MD, there are an endless number of students hoping/wishing/praying to get into any med school and would jump at the opportunity to be a DO. And this class of individuals will always be proud to call themselves physician by whatever letters they can.
I think whether or not anybody looks down on DO (be it students or the public) really comes down to either how educated they are about the medical field or how much they even know about osteopathic schools. There was a time that I was also uneducated on the differences, or should I say, similarities between the two. I ultimately went the MD route because of university competitiveness and, more honestly, the fact that public perception still matters to me.
At a certain point, the work you do will begin to speak for itself. My family has a tight circle of doctor friends, and until I was going through the application process, I didn't know any of them were DO. I did however know them all as Doctor. And I'm sure the neurosurgeon DO likely doesn't feel any shame for his degree, nor should he.