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Anyone know of any good DO friendly int med residency programs?
i had a DO-friend-had a 214 step 1, 239 step 2, strong LoR's and really strong clnical grades. She applied to 45 programs and got 38 interviews...she didn't apply to any community programs-only university based across the country...
214 isn't a particularly strong Step 1 score...in fact, it's below the national average as it stands right now.
What were some of these programs that offered her interviews?
...Look at board pass rates, benefits, recreation, surrounding area, housing, schools if you have kids, etc. Do your homework. And apply where you think you'll be happy. You might be surprised where you end up.
Where is a good place to look up board pass rates?
I also advise taking the USMLE, as it can be an equalizer that might put you in consideration for programs that otherwise might not have considered you. Most of all, don't underestimate your chances. Good luck.
Wanna be Do what type of USMLE score should we aim for as a DO student who is interested in Allopathic IM at a university academic type of program (Mostly in the Midwest area, i.e: Detroit, Chicago, St louis)? My step 1 is in a month, and I am hoping to get above a 220...
My comlex wasn't too hot, just a little above average. I am just glad I passed it.
Depending on the program, I'd aim for a score of 220. If you are shooting for places like WashU or U Chicago you'd have to score significantly higher than that.
As an osteopathic student, assuming you don't come across as a train wreck in your interview or fail any of the COMLEXes, you will have an honest shot at most Type 2 programs, due to the shrinking number of American MD students who want to pursue primary care. You should apply broadly, especially to programs with good reputations and their own fellowship programs (if you are interested in specialty training) and a reputation for supporting its graduates. I also advise taking the USMLE, as it can be an equalizer that might put you in consideration for programs that otherwise might not have considered you. Most of all, don't underestimate your chances. Good luck.
Would an osteopathic applicant with a 240+ USMLE score, publications, well-recieved audition rotation, strong rotation grades, etc have any sort of shot at any of the Type 1 programs? (Provided, of course, that the institutions even yet DO students rotate there.) How about a 260+? Or is there a "bright line" limit to where a DO likely to match regardless of his/her qualifications?
I know UMDNJ-SOM students have managed to match into allo gas @ the Cleveland Clinic and Hopkins, but I also get the sense that allo gas might be generally more friendly to DOs than top-flight IM.
Put simply, there are some programs, in all types of residencies, where you could be absolutely brilliant in all aspects but will never be interviewed due to being a DO. These are programs where they won't even interview an American MD unless they are AOA with 95th percentile USMLE scores or better. It isn't just discrimination against DOs, and you shouldn't take it personally. These are programs that do not lack for stellar applicants from the MD world and do not need osteopathic applicants to fill their residencies.
I would still apply to top-tier programs with the stats you mentioned, though, because eventually someone could be the first DO to interview or even gain admission into an "elite" IM residency.
I think you are correct. Anesthesiology tends to be more open to osteopathic applicants.
You're still talking about IM programs? I think that's just a little bit of hyperbole. You're saying the bar for MD applicants to get an interview at some programs is 270 and AOA? LOL!
Put simply, there are some programs, in all types of residencies, where you could be absolutely brilliant in all aspects but will never be interviewed due to being a DO. These are programs where they won't even interview an American MD unless they are AOA with a USMLE score of 95+. It isn't just discrimination against DOs, and you shouldn't take it personally. These are programs that do not lack for stellar applicants from the MD world and do not need osteopathic applicants to fill their residencies.
I would still apply to top-tier programs with the stats you mentioned, though, because eventually someone could be the first DO to interview or even gain admission into an "elite" IM residency.
You're still talking about IM programs? I think that's just a little bit of hyperbole. You're saying the bar for MD applicants to get an interview at some programs is 270 and AOA? LOL!
You're correct to point this out. I meant 2-digit score of 95, not 95th percentile (and I used to harp on people who interchanged the two, LOL). A 2-digit score of 95 is 230-ish. I corrected this in my original post.
Regarding AOA, this is what I know of. AOA status might not matter if you go to a stellar med school but for the rest it is a weed-out for the top medicine programs (in NY I'm referring to Mount Sinai and Columbia). Since you are an MD applicant feel free to comment if your experience suggests otherwise!
I know that "DO friendly" doesn't necessarily mean they take COMLEX (only) but I'm still not 100% convinced that I need to take the USMLE...
I'm looking at east coast/washington DC area and some places (like WHC and HUH) require USMLE but Georgetown accepts COMLEX.
Advice/insight?
It's internal medicine, unless there is something seriously wrong with you, you will get a spot.
Even if you fail boards you can end up in IM, not at a top level place, but you can still get in somewhere that just needs a body to fill the position.
Plenty of spots open in the scramble.
People keep saying this as if it is an ok outcome, "it's ok theres lots of scramble spots". Im married with 3 kids and own a house. Finding out in may that I have a few weeks to sell my house get a approved for a new morgate in a place that I havent even looked for a new house in that could be anywhere in the country, that hopefully i can squeeze into a vacant spot at is nothing short of a monumental disaster that i would like to avoid at all costs. The 15 or so IM programs on my list in the SE seasboard are not harvard or hopkins but they are academic with fellowship so id assume they are looking for more than just a pulse but i dont know. Just want to ensure I get a favorable outcome here.
People keep saying this as if it is an ok outcome, "it's ok theres lots of scramble spots". Im married with 3 kids and own a house. Finding out in may that I have a few weeks to sell my house get a approved for a new morgate in a place that I havent even looked for a new house in that could be anywhere in the country, that hopefully i can squeeze into a vacant spot at is nothing short of a monumental disaster that i would like to avoid at all costs. The 15 or so IM programs on my list in the SE seasboard are not harvard or hopkins but they are academic with fellowship so id assume they are looking for more than just a pulse but i dont know. Just want to ensure I get a favorable outcome here.
lol, no not duke. My list is like UF gains, UF jacksonville, USF, MUSC, East carolina U, VCU, Pitt county, MCG, Utenn chattanooga. Places like that. GOod Lors, pretty good story in my statement imo. The prestige of the IM program was far less important when I formulated my list than whether they took DOs and had a PCCM fellowship.
People keep saying this as if it is an ok outcome, "it's ok theres lots of scramble spots". Im married with 3 kids and own a house. Finding out in may that I have a few weeks to sell my house get a approved for a new morgate in a place that I havent even looked for a new house in that could be anywhere in the country, that hopefully i can squeeze into a vacant spot at is nothing short of a monumental disaster that i would like to avoid at all costs. The 15 or so IM programs on my list in the SE seasboard are not harvard or hopkins but they are academic with fellowship so id assume they are looking for more than just a pulse but i dont know. Just want to ensure I get a favorable outcome here.
People keep saying this as if it is an ok outcome, "it's ok theres lots of scramble spots". Im married with 3 kids and own a house. Finding out in may that I have a few weeks to sell my house get a approved for a new morgate in a place that I havent even looked for a new house in that could be anywhere in the country, that hopefully i can squeeze into a vacant spot at is nothing short of a monumental disaster that i would like to avoid at all costs. The 15 or so IM programs on my list in the SE seasboard are not harvard or hopkins but they are academic with fellowship so id assume they are looking for more than just a pulse but i dont know. Just want to ensure I get a favorable outcome here.
lol, no not duke. My list is like UF gains, UF jacksonville, USF, MUSC, East carolina U, VCU, Pitt county, MCG, Utenn chattanooga. Places like that. GOod Lors, pretty good story in my statement imo. The prestige of the IM program was far less important when I formulated my list than whether they took DOs and had a PCCM fellowship.
Sorry to bump this relatively old thread but I figured it'd be better than starting a new one. Can anyone comment on DO-friendly IM residencies in the Boston area?
Many are DO friendly. Best way to tell is just look up the program you are interested in and see if they have any DOs. Most programs have a list of residents online and you can see