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Cowboy DO said:Lets see I graduate in 3 years, so if we carry the 1... and divide by 2.... man this is tough, oh well time to cross Neurosurg off my list.
BigBopper said:do you guys measure success by how many DOs are in positions at allopathic programs? I mean don't you think this is a bit insecure? I get the feeling you are saying "See we are just as good as them, we have people in their hospitals in prominent positions" By saying this you are making the measure of accomplishment is success at allopathic hospitals. Which implies that osteopathic hospitals are inferior because nobody beats their chest and yells out "Yeah! I am on staff at Pontiac osteopathic!"
BigBopper said:do you guys measure success by how many DOs are in positions at allopathic programs? I mean don't you think this is a bit insecure? I get the feeling you are saying "See we are just as good as them, we have people in their hospitals in prominent positions" By saying this you are making the measure of accomplishment is success at allopathic hospitals. Which implies that osteopathic hospitals are inferior because nobody beats their chest and yells out "Yeah! I am on staff at Pontiac osteopathic!"
skypilot said:The voting on this issue has been done with the feet as the vast majority of graduates of Osteopathic institutions go to Allopathic institutions for their residencies already. Most hospitals are Allopathic and most employ both MDs and DOs. It is not us versus them it is us and them.
The point is that Osteopathic physicians also hold positions of power at major academic and social organizations.
Why does everyone seem so surprised that DO's are actually getting good positions??turkdlit said:The chief resident of Pitt's Emergency Med. department is also a DO...Dr. Michael Allswede, who went to UHS. Yeah boyee...
BigBopper said:So what you are saying is that allopathic hospitals offer better training, they have more presitge and being in one is considered a position of power. I am not sure what that says about osteopathic hospitals and the training they offer, but it doesn't sound like very much.
cmudan said:Why does everyone seem so surprised that DO's are actually getting good positions??
It should be expected.
cmudan said:Why does everyone seem so surprised that DO's are actually getting good positions??
It should be expected.
WannabeDO said:Unfortunately, I think this may often be the case. It all depends on where the hospital is located. I think that the idea of a purely "allopathic" or "osteopathic" hospital is becoming a thing of the past. But ACGME residencies are often in much busier/larger academic institutions while AOA residencies tend to be a little smaller. I think it all depends on what you are after. Ultimately, the student makes or breaks his own residency and all we are talking about is the strength of it's reputation. I still sense some sourness to the tone of your post, so I'm wondering what your opinion of DO's is. If you are just here to bash us, I'm sorry I wasted my time, but if you are here for open discussion then I welcome your comments.
BigBopper said:I am not here to bash.
This is a completely serious question: So if Most DOs are doing allopathic residencies and residency is where you learn to become a "doctor", then is there really any point in having 2 seperate degrees at this time?
Robz said:I'm never suprised anymore. In fact I totally expect it. I think it is people just trying to break other premeds sterotypes that cause threads like this to be reborn. Its a sense of bringing security to an insecure modality.
BigBopper said:I am not here to bash.
This is a completely serious question: So if Most DOs are doing allopathic residencies and residency is where you learn to become a "doctor", then is there really any point in having 2 seperate degrees at this time?
yeah I never quite understood that....PublicHealth said:Yeah, dentists do it (DDS and DMD), so why can't we?
JKDMed said:For those DO students who think they should merge, just keep in mind that if they did you probably wouldn't be in med school right now.
Yep and I think with every year passing there will be more applicants that follow suit.Robz said:I don't think I agree with this statement at all. There are plenty of people that would be admitted and have been admitted to both DO/MD programs and are inclined for the DO path due to multiple factors.
People like adapt and myself.
BigBopper said:So what you are saying is that allopathic hospitals offer better training, they have more prestige and being in one is considered a position of power. I am not sure what that says about osteopathic hospitals and the training they offer, but it doesn't sound like very much.
BigBopper said:So what you are saying is that allopathic hospitals offer better training, they have more presitge and being in one is considered a position of power. I am not sure what that says about osteopathic hospitals and the training they offer, but it doesn't sound like very much.
BigBopper said:So what you are saying is that allopathic hospitals offer better training, they have more presitge and being in one is considered a position of power. I am not sure what that says about osteopathic hospitals and the training they offer, but it doesn't sound like very much.
"Jon W. Fong, D.O.kpax18 said:
(nicedream) said:"Jon W. Fong, D.O.
Since July 1998, Dr. Fong has served as a technical advisor for NBC?s ER. In this capacity, he orchestrates every medical procedure on the show and trains the actors to realistically mimic performing medical procedures and discuss medical topics."
So why no DO's on the show?
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Shinken said:On the subject of the DO and MD degrees merging, haven't you heard? LECOM and OUCOM have started granting MD degrees. OUCOM, however, wants to keep its osteopathic roots and has divided into two schools. The Ohio University College of Osteopathic Medicine will continue granting the DO degree while the Ohio University School of Osteopathic Medicine will now grant the MD degree. LECOM will only grant the MD degree.
Check it out!
http://www.fairviewhospital.org/education/surgery/roster.php
Mission
The mission of the Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine and School of Pharmacy is to prepare students to become osteopathic physicians and pharmacy practitioners through programs of excellence in education, research, clinical care, and community service to enhance the quality of life through improved health for all humanity.
Educational Goals
The primary goal of LECOM is to educate students to become physicians practicing within the osteopathic concept. A secondary goal of the College is to educate and develop primary care physicians who will practice in the osteopathic tradition. The College imparts to its students a firm academic background enabling them to pursue advanced training in other fields of osteopathic medicine as well as primary care. The College encourages its students to participate in research to further advance their chosen profession.
Shinken said:On the subject of the DO and MD degrees merging, haven't you heard? LECOM and OUCOM have started granting MD degrees. OUCOM, however, wants to keep its osteopathic roots and has divided into two schools. The Ohio University College of Osteopathic Medicine will continue granting the DO degree while the Ohio University School of Osteopathic Medicine will now grant the MD degree. LECOM will only grant the MD degree.
Check it out!
http://www.fairviewhospital.org/education/surgery/roster.php
kpax18 said:The same thing apparently happened at UCI family med residency, I had a thread on it a while ago. But the 2 DOs that had their MDs were switched back to DOs, guess they really wanted the autographed photo of AT Still
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=114842
Shinken said:According to a news release from the AOA, the degree switch is a very recent decision, and those students that have already graduated have the option to have their degrees retroactively changed to "MD". According to the same AOA statement, the switch is being done slowly and quietly for several reasons: (1) the general public doesn't know what a DO is, so the AOA doesn't want to confuse people further and (2) there could be an uproar from the more conservative osteopathic community. Mum's the word.
Just yesterday I received a letter from OUCOM (the school I'll be attending this year). The letterhead had "Ohio University School and College of Osteopathic Medicine" and was a very carefully worded letter from the Director of Admissions explaining the split and the dual degrees. We have to make a choice as to which branch we want to attend (the School or the College). As an incentive for people not to switch to the MD portion of Ohio University, the College (the one that grants the DO degree) is offering lower tuition than the MD portion. And if we make the decision before June 15th, we get an autographed photo of A.T. Still (you know, the one where he's sitting with his legs crossed staring at a femur).
he was jokingdanwsu said:So is OUCOM now clasiffied as an allo school as well? Or are they just offering a degree name change.