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They are gonna be unifying the match. I'm so f-ing excited!!!!!!!
http://www.osteopathic.org/Unification-of-Residencies-2015
http://www.osteopathic.org/Unification-of-Residencies-2015
Feb 2013 written date? Failed merger?
LOLIma cut you
There's been a plague of necromancy in these lands lately. I blame it on the "similar threads" listings at the bottom of the page, combined with newer users.lol
Guy bumped a 10 y/o thread the other day. Lets hope you future doctors improve on that attention to detail.
OMG is this for real?Hello! I know you all think this is dead.... but the merger has just gone through!!!
http://www.osteopathic.org/inside-aoa/Pages/ACGME-single-accreditation-system.aspx
OMG is this for real?
This is bad for the bottom quartile of D.O. medical students who are now competing for spots with MD students.
Oh. Mah. Lawd.
This is bad for the bottom quartile of D.O. medical students who are now competing for spots with MD students.
This is bad for D.O. programs that cannot get ACGME accreditation for whatever reason. Will they be forced to close?
This is good for explaining to your mom that your post-graduate DO training is equivalent to MD training because it's ACGME accredited.
This might be good for Canadians who want their AOA residency to count in Canada. If it's ACGME accredited you are golden for the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario, at least.
Plz correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't think the bottom students had much of a hope into matching to a top specialty and 99.9% of MD can probably find an ACGME spot in primary care.Oh. Mah. Lawd.
This is bad for the bottom quartile of D.O. medical students who are now competing for spots with MD students.
This is bad for D.O. programs that cannot get ACGME accreditation for whatever reason. Will they be forced to close?
This is good for explaining to your mom that your post-graduate DO training is equivalent to MD training because it's ACGME accredited.
This might be good for Canadians who want their AOA residency to count in Canada. If it's ACGME accredited you are golden for the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario, at least.
Plz correct me if I'm wrong.
You say bad, I say good. I'm all for increased standards and competition. Maybe some of the bottom of the pool shouldn't be matching.Oh. Mah. Lawd.
This is bad for the bottom quartile of D.O. medical students who are now competing for spots with MD students.
This is bad for D.O. programs that cannot get ACGME accreditation for whatever reason. Will they be forced to close?
This is good for explaining to your mom that your post-graduate DO training is equivalent to MD training because it's ACGME accredited.
This might be good for Canadians who want their AOA residency to count in Canada. If it's ACGME accredited you are golden for the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario, at least.
Plz correct me if I'm wrong.
This is priceless as of today.
You say bad, I say good. I'm all for increased standards and competition. Maybe some of the bottom of the pool shouldn't be matching.
+100Disagree. If you spend all that money and pass all your boards and graduate you deserve a spot. Period.
I'm just saying, if there is someone more qualified for your spot, they should get it, period. Residencies should provide the best physicians for society, not operate as a protectionist guild bottleneck. If enough people don't match, either some schools should close or the number of residency positions should be increased. I'm all about free market Darwinism.Disagree. If you spend all that money and pass all your boards and graduate you deserve a spot. Period.
if you passed the boards you are qualified to have a residency spot. doesnt by any means guarantee you an orthopedic surgery spot, but it should guarantee you some residency at the very least, even if it is in Podunk, Michigan.I'm just saying, if there is someone more qualified for your spot, they should get it, period. Residencies should provide the best physicians for society, not operate as a protectionist guild bottleneck. If enough people don't match, either some schools should close or the number of residency positions should be increased. I'm all about free market Darwinism.
Oh. Mah. Lawd.
This is bad for the bottom quartile of D.O. medical students who are now competing for spots with MD students.
This is bad for D.O. programs that cannot get ACGME accreditation for whatever reason. Will they be forced to close?
This is good for explaining to your mom that your post-graduate DO training is equivalent to MD training because it's ACGME accredited.
This might be good for Canadians who want their AOA residency to count in Canada. If it's ACGME accredited you are golden for the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario, at least.
Plz correct me if I'm wrong.
It isn't social Darwinism, as it does not rely on social status etc. It's more similar to free market Darwinism, in which those that are the best qualified for a position receive it while those that are lesser qualified are allowed to completely fail. The Darwinian model can be applied to pretty much any system in which success and failure are determined by fitness and merit.if you passed the boards you are qualified to have a residency spot. doesnt by any means guarantee you an orthopedic surgery spot, but it should guarantee you some residency at the very least, even if it is in Podunk, Michigan.
free market darwinism? social darwinism?
There are a ton of ACGME family medicine slots that go unfilled. I wouldn't worry about any US grad matching, Especially as the gap between MD and DO shrinks.
There were 61 acgme spots still open after the SOAP last year. Not 61 family med spots. 61 total spots, including preliminary spots.
And what do you propose we do for those who owe 200k+ in loans and have no job to pay for it. Free market Darwinism works great til we have hundreds if not thousands of people jobless and owing huge debts, going homeless because they had a bad test day on their step 1. The Jedis are gonna feel that oneIt isn't social Darwinism, as it does not rely on social status etc. It's more similar to free market Darwinism, in which those that are the best qualified for a position receive it while those that are lesser qualified are allowed to completely fail. The Darwinian model can be applied to pretty much any system in which success and failure are determined by fitness and merit.
I think insecure pre-DO or DO students should stop complaining about MDs "taking our spots now." If this is the kind of weak confidence you are exhibiting, why did you attempt to go through medical school to begin with?
This is admitting that DOs are at the bottom of the moldy barrel and that DO programs are made of glass. You want to get treated like equals but then you fear that your residencies made of sand are gonna get blown in the wind.
MD students have to put up with DOs and IMGs constantly trying to take their spots and you don't see them complaining and throwing in their towels.
Medical school admissions are getting competitive, residencies are getting competitive, you simply have to deal with it. If you go through med school, wanting to give the minimum thinking that without AOA residencies you won't make it, then you're gonna have a bad time.
Behave like an equal, exhibit confidence like an equal, rock your boards and get competitive like everyone else on this world has to do. You put in the effort and you won't be without a job, I promise.
How do you think this will affect DOs cliquesh?
And what do you propose we do for those who
The same thing that is currently happening with law school grads and law schools will happen. Less people will apply and schools will eventually have to contract enrollments. Caribbean grads that don't match currently are in the exact situation were talking about and no one really weeps on their behalf.And what do you propose we do for those who owe 200k+ in loans and have no job to pay for it. Free market Darwinism works great til we have hundreds if not thousands of people jobless and owing huge debts, going homeless because they had a bad test day on their step 1. The Jedis are gonna feel that one
so what happens to the DO spots that focus on OMM techniques? are MD's now able to apply for those, without CME in OMM?
Which someone mentioned is hardly enough to call it training.You should look at Goro's thread. The students that go to MD schools have to have OMM focused training in order to apply for DO spots.