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My mother is SouthEAST Asian (from the Philippines), but her mentality is exactly the same as that of the parents I've read about on this thread.
She was apprehensive at first when I told her I was applying DO, but then I enlightened her to the fact that our family physician is a DO - a fact she hadn't been aware of. Now she's quit harping about it.
Agh my parents refuse to listen to me and constantly tell me that the Caribbean is better than DO.
I wish there were more DO's in my area so I could let them talk to one or something. How incredibly frustrating
Blame it on the a-a-a-autocorrect.
Naturopathic medicine*
Osteopathy, as it is known outside the U.S., is more closely related to what chiropractic is in the U.S..
Yup. They constantly claim osteopaths are dignified chiropractors.
My strategy come application time is to conveniently leave out the osteopathy part of the school's name when I tell them where I am applying. As far as they're concerned, I'm at a school of medicine.
Blame it on the a-a-a-autocorrect.
Seems ridiculous that it actually gets to this point with some parents.
Some day you'll have to confess your sins and reveal the credentials you sold your soul to the devil for.
Good luck.
This is one of the benefits of being Latino. The local community college is on par with Harvard in my parents' eyes.
HAHAHAHA!!! So true!!!
I remember when I got a bad grade in a class and I told my dad about it. He said," It's ok mija! At least you're going!"
So easy to make him proud.
I hope that I can eventually convince them come application time. It really doesn't help that New York state is so MD driven and DO's are few and hard to find (at least around me). Hopefully, finding one to help convince them will change their minds.
I tried the statistics and other methodology but haven't had success with a logical argument towards them. I thankfully have a year to go before I apply so there is that.
Blame it on the a-a-a-autocorrect.
Have you tried showing them profiles of notable osteopathic physicians?
In the end, the degree does not make the doctor. You can shine out with any degree or no degree at all. Just be the best at what you do.
I have tried every method. Ill just have to take out loans to apply to DO schools.
Thanks poetic silence, I'm extremely interested in primary care so DO schools are an excellent option for me and not applying would be a grave mistake on my part.
Blame it on the a-a-a-autocorrect.
This is one of the benefits of being Latino. The local community college is on par with Harvard in my parents' eyes.
Have you tried showing them profiles of notable osteopathic physicians?
In the end, the degree does not make the doctor. You can shine out with any degree or no degree at all. Just be the best at what you do.
You can't say that a doctor from Harvard Med and a doctor from a DO school are the same. There will be a notable quality of difference in the practice and treatment of patients.
Any degree is equivalent to graduating from Harvard. I mean URM status is a godsend when trying to get into med school. I seriously hope in my next life (if karma is real) that I am born as a URM. So many advantages (unless you get caught by the cops). Being Indian sucks, Its just frustrating because nothing is ever good enough in this stupid culture with the stupid cutthroat prestige-driven mentality.
I disagree. I mean sure, degree doesn't always equal prowess. There are several examples of that. But it does make somewhat of a difference. You can't say that a doctor from Harvard Med and a doctor from a DO school are the same. There will be a notable quality of difference in the practice and treatment of patients. If DO did = MD, then perhaps there would be no need for a stigma to even exist. Its just really frustrating to know that even if I manage to get into a great school like NYCOM, that still won't be good enough for my stupid f******* culture.
I disagree. I mean sure, degree doesn't always equal prowess. There are several examples of that. But it does make somewhat of a difference. You can't say that a doctor from Harvard Med and a doctor from a DO school are the same. There will be a notable quality of difference in the practice and treatment of patients. If DO did = MD, then perhaps there would be no need for a stigma to even exist. Its just really frustrating to know that even if I manage to get into a great school like NYCOM, that still won't be good enough for my stupid f******* culture.
stats on this difference?
does harvard med have a set of secret textbooks that they teach their students with?
do harvard docs treat pneumonia with a secret medicine, or perform surgeries using special methods unknown to other surgeons?
there is no question a harvard degree opens doors, but med school is med school pretty much everywhere in the u.s. it's mostly sit and read.
I hope you aren't envying me, because you're pretty lucky to have parents that want you to be the best you can be. If they push you, it's because they believe in you and know that you are capable.
There were moments when neither of my parents pushed me, afraid they might break me or something, and I lost confidence in myself. Hey, I made it to college when my father never graduated middle school, but my sister, she's a high school drop out and that kills me everyday.
When I have kids of my own someday, you can bet your butt I'm gonna push them; off a cliff and into success.
You are so misinformed that its funny to read now. I am starting to think that its you who really believes in this stigma more than your parents. Just because there is a stigma, does NOT mean its justified. Open your mind a little bit. Don't fall too much into the whole ivy league school is better than the rest. All doctors, no matter which school they graduate from, are more or less given the exact same education and training. They all have to pass the same boards, same basic science classes, etc.
There's a difference between pushing for success and pushing kids for social standing. There's nothing wrong with parents wanting their kids to be the best they can. Im talking about the CULTURAL mentality.
Its considered a "shame" to graduate college at a later age (like I am). Most South Asian premeds don't.
Its a "shame" to enter med school at a later age (god forbid they can't arrange a marriage for you so that they can start bragging about their grandkids to other Indian parents).
Its a "shame" to work low end jobs while retaking classes. How many South Asian premeds do things like this?
Yet these are all things I will have to do in order to get into med school, but in the eyes of my culture, its all very shameful. In the eyes of my culture, I should have a 3.8 a 42S and be in Duke Med when I'm 22. I know so many people from my ****** culture like this, and if you don't fit in, your a cultural reject. That's the point I was trying to make. DO falls in the cultural reject category, which is stupid.
Yes. I agree. Like I said, I would be happy to get into ANY (US MD or DO) med school. However, there's a reason why schools like Harvard are so selective and produce leaders in the medical field, even if they are equally competent physicians. The way they are taught and the quality of people at those places are higher. That doesn't necessarily mean that the quality of people at other universities are lower.
You are so misinformed that its funny to read now. I am starting to think that its you who really believes in this stigma more than your parents. Just because there is a stigma, does NOT mean its justified. Open your mind a little bit. Don't fall too much into the whole ivy league school is better than the rest. All doctors, no matter which school they graduate from, are more or less given the exact same education and training. They all have to pass the same boards, same basic science classes, etc.
I think there's certainly an argument to be made that Harvard MDs are better trained at certain more-intellectually robust specialties than others. If for no other reason than anyone who goes there is in a paradigm with much more money than someone who goes to a DO school. Now, it seems equally plausible that a DO can provide superior services in something like family practice just because that's his passion and it's what he has the most experience with. A medical degree is required for both, but a Harvard MD who has no heart for family practice will provide inferior service to a DO who takes his profession seriously.
The sad point the OP makes is that some people miss the fact there is no shame in being an MD or a DO or a Hooters girl--the conversation can quickly turn to one about the meaning of everything, but I for one think it involves human beings learning how to treat other human beings with respect and dignity. The titles that come afterwards are frivolous w/o that fundamental lesson learned.
I think there's certainly an argument to be made that Harvard MDs are better trained at certain more-intellectually robust specialties than others. If for no other reason than anyone who goes there is in a paradigm with much more money than someone who goes to a DO school. Now, it seems equally plausible that a DO can provide superior services in something like family practice just because that's his passion and it's what he has the most experience with. A medical degree is required for both, but a Harvard MD who has no heart for family practice will provide inferior service to a DO who takes his profession seriously.
The sad point the OP makes is that some people miss the fact there is no shame in being an MD or a DO or a Hooters girl--the conversation can quickly turn to one about the meaning of everything, but I for one think it involves human beings learning how to treat other human beings with respect and dignity. The titles that come afterwards are frivolous w/o that fundamental lesson learned.
I don't know if to be mad at you for saying such stupid things or be sorry because I see the self-esteem problems oozing from you.Any degree is equivalent to graduating from Harvard. I mean URM status is a godsend when trying to get into med school. I seriously hope in my next life (if karma is real) that I am born as a URM. So many advantages (unless you get caught by the cops). Being Indian sucks, Its just frustrating because nothing is ever good enough in this stupid culture with the stupid cutthroat prestige-driven mentality.
I don't know if to be mad at you for saying such stupid things or be sorry because I see the self-esteem problems oozing from you.
No, come on. To say URM have it easier in life is simply stupid.It's a "grass is always greener" thing. Don't take it personally. We each have our own battles.
No, come on. To say URM have it easier in life is simply stupid.
I agree. Especially that "caught by the cops" line.
No, come on. To say URM have it easier in life is simply stupid.
It's a "grass is always greener" thing. Don't take it personally. We each have our own battles.
Just because they are South-Asian it would be foolish to assume they are doing well. I definitely know more South-Asians that have been rejected from medical school or gave-up the premed track, then those that have been accepted.
A word of advice is for you to not go further with this rhetoric. You really don't know what you're talking about and how offensive it is to minorities.
Really? Thats interesting. I guess up in NY and the northeast at least, south asian premed = future doctor (more specifically future MD). But hey, what do I know? Ive only been south asian for my entire life and have loads of friends and family who were premed but are now very successful young doctors. All I can do is just list example upon example of people to prove your point being incorrect. Other than that, your pretty much spot on mate......
Seriously, DO or MD, you should do what you want and not what your parents want. As a fellow South Asian, you can't please them all your life. Yeah okay mom wants u to be a doctor, u go and be a doctor. What next, she wants three kids and you to have an indian wife, seriously where are the limits. Do what you want in life and be who you wanna be. Your indian parents will not be alive forever and just as they came to this country and adjusted to strange things, theyre gonna adjust to you. I've been around several south Asian DOs as well as MDs and honest I've seen happier SA DO's than MDs
Any degree is equivalent to graduating from Harvard. I mean URM status is a godsend when trying to get into med school. I seriously hope in my next life (if karma is real) that I am born as a URM. So many advantages (unless you get caught by the cops). Being Indian sucks, Its just frustrating because nothing is ever good enough in this stupid culture with the stupid cutthroat prestige-driven mentality.
I disagree. I mean sure, degree doesn't always equal prowess. There are several examples of that. But it does make somewhat of a difference. You can't say that a doctor from Harvard Med and a doctor from a DO school are the same. There will be a notable quality of difference in the practice and treatment of patients. If DO did = MD, then perhaps there would be no need for a stigma to even exist. Its just really frustrating to know that even if I manage to get into a great school like NYCOM, that still won't be good enough for my stupid f******* culture.
You can't say that a doctor from Harvard Med and a doctor from a DO school are the same. There will be a notable quality of difference in the practice and treatment of patients.
I'm pleasantly surprised that this thread exists, not happy that people have to deal with this, but more so that there are others like me dealing with this.
Here's to a gujju indian who similarly feels this pain, with parents who albeit are very supportive, has an extended family who decries being a DO because they are "fake" doctors. WTF? How does one even acknowledge this.
Mind you a couple of weeks ago my grandfather was bleeding out immensely, and the doc who saved his life in the ER that night was a DO. When I told him, he (my uncle) failed to acknowledge that and changed the subject.
Today I told my parents I got into medical school (NYCOM, woo!), and my sister cried out that's not a real medical school.
Looking for some advice, and if not, this thread shall remain a place where I can simply, and anonymously vent. F*** being Indian (although I love my heritage and culture), I hate much of the attitudes and viewpoints my parents have tried instilled in me.
Grandfathered into what?This business about race is interesting.
I am as white as they get. My pop ardently fought for me to NOT apply to DO schools - for the very reasons that people have mentioned (they dont seem like real doctors, crap like that). But meanwhile he has been going to his "doctor," a NP that was grandfathered in years ago (so does not even have a doctorate in nursing).
Honestly, most people are just plain ignorant, thats all it is. They talk about what they know and thats about how far their conversations can take them. Take it in stride, do what you need to do, and just get on with life, seriously who cares with your parents think - regardless of race?
Grandfathered into being an NP with just a masters degree. As I understand it, they are switching over to doctorate level stuff, but a lot of people with just masters degrees are able to get past that requirement.Grandfathered into what?