Do URMs get advantage over asians in Residency?

[GoLAClippers]

Or do med schools prefer them to do primary care or Family Med?

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[Tired]

Good one.

 

[Droopy Snoopy]

Residency directors understand that asians make terrible family doctors. Your student dean will tell you all about it at orientation if you ask.

 

[diosa428]

Actually, residency directors like to model their classes after Gray's Anatomy. There are 3 black Drs on Gray's and only 1 Asian - so yes, they do. Also, Latino/a drs are only allowed to go into ortho.

 

[BigRedPremed]

It's a legit question. Since the purported goal of AA is to increase the number of minority primary care doctors in underserved areas, I assume they won't gain an advantage over Asians/Whites when it comes to getting competitive (specialist) residency positions.

 

[Dookter]

It's a legit question. Since the purported goal of AA is to increase the number of minority primary care doctors in underserved areas, I assume they won't gain an advantage over Asians/Whites when it comes to getting competitive (specialist) residency positions.

That might be true, but you also have to balance that with the desires of residency programs/faculty hiring committees at medical schools/centers. Programs are pushing to diversify, etc., so I think the "advantage" might still be there after the medical school stage...

 

[diosa428]

Ok, if we're being serious about this - no. Residency programs are looking for the best candidates, and (as far as I know), they don't care what race you are. I have heard of sex coming into play (ie, a male applying into Ob/Gyn will get a lot more interviews than a female b/c males are such rare applicants these days). But I have never heard of race being an factor (although that doesn't necessarily mean it NEVER is - I'm sure someone, somewhere has a story). I'm not even sure your race goes on your application?

As far as medical schools "preferring" URMs to do family med, etc, this doesn't happen either. Once you get to medical school, you will pick your specialty, and no one is going to put pressure on you to choose a specific specialty based on your race. Usually, the only time doctors encourage you to choose a specific specialty is if it's their field.

 

[icecoldalpha06]

To the OP, do the best you can in school and dont worry about race factors...in my opinion this thread is useless..another thread targeting race because someone feels threatened by URMs who dont even make up to 3% of the total doctors in America..

 

[BigRedPremed]

To the OP, do the best you can in school and dont worry about race factors...in my opinion this thread is useless..another thread targeting race because someone feels threatened by URMs who dont even make up to 3% of the total doctors in America..

From looking at the OP's previous posts, I'm inclined to agree with you.

However, I too have wondered how far affirmative action stretches if nothing than out of curiosity.

 

[dontwakeme]

Ok, if we're being serious about this - no. Residency programs are looking for the best candidates, and (as far as I know), they don't care what race you are. I have heard of sex coming into play (ie, a male applying into Ob/Gyn will get a lot more interviews than a female b/c males are such rare applicants these days). But I have never heard of race being an factor (although that doesn't necessarily mean it NEVER is - I'm sure someone, somewhere has a story). I'm not even sure your race goes on your application?

As far as medical schools "preferring" URMs to do family med, etc, this doesn't happen either. Once you get to medical school, you will pick your specialty, and no one is going to put pressure on you to choose a specific specialty based on your race. Usually, the only time doctors encourage you to choose a specific specialty is if it's their field.

This is quite interesting and it shows how truly ineffective Affirmative Action can be. It's almost like med schools are saying, "Sure, we'll help you get into med school because you are disadvantaged, but after that you're on your own."

If we're going to have affirmative action, it should be used at all levels of education - including residency, which is arguably the most important part of becoming a doctor. Otherwise, the system is just plain hypocritical.

 

[Instatewaiter]

This is quite interesting and it shows how truly ineffective Affirmative Action can be. It's almost like med schools are saying, "Sure, we'll help you get into med school because you are disadvantaged, but after that you're on your own."

If we're going to have affirmative action, it should be used at all levels of education - including residency, which is arguably the most important part of becoming a doctor. Otherwise, the system is just plain hypocritical.

So should URM doctors have someone holding their hand while they are practicing physicians? If not wouldnt that be hypocritical?

In my understanding affirmative action is meant to 'level the playing field' by making up for poor primary and secondary education of URMs. At some point the opportunity is equal. In my opinion the field is level after college. Concessions are made for college admission and there must be growth during college for everyone, more for some.

Should concessions be made for poor medical school performance? At some point, full responsibility needs to fall on the student.

 

[fotografía]

My parents are not physicians so I cannot speak for medicine unfortunately, but, they are in academics and I can tell you that AA basically never ends. When universities are hiring, they try to increase diversity in departments. In fact, even when applying for NIH grants, the NIH actively tries to award underrepresented investigators. Therefore, it really would not surprise me if this also carried over to residency and academic appointments in hospitals.

 

[Dookter]

My parents are not physicians so I cannot speak for medicine unfortunately, but, they are in academics and I can tell you that AA basically never ends. When universities are hiring, they try to increase diversity in departments. In fact, even when applying for NIH grants, the NIH actively tries to award underrepresented investigators. Therefore, it really would not surprise me if this also carried over to residency and academic appointments in hospitals.

Yep. I do not know where people got the idea that AA does not extend beyond education. It's not always done under an official policy, but it definitely affects things far beyond the confines of the classroom.

 

[EndSong]

I've worked with a couple doctors and they've told me that AA does not extend in any way really into residency. Sure if you're doing something like rural or inner city, they might want doctors who match. Otherwise, residency is cheap slave labor and they really want the best bang for their buck and will pick applicants with the best board scores, which is something that historically Asians and Whites have done slightly better on.

 

[BigRedPremed]

This is quite interesting and it shows how truly ineffective Affirmative Action can be. It's almost like med schools are saying, "Sure, we'll help you get into med school because you are disadvantaged, but after that you're on your own."

If we're going to have affirmative action, it should be used at all levels of education - including residency, which is arguably the most important part of becoming a doctor. Otherwise, the system is just plain hypocritical.

Well the point of AA is to help med schools crank out primary care docs. Internal medicine and peds residencies aren't really very competitive so why should there be affirmative action during residency?

 

[Steve203]

Or do med schools prefer them to do primary care or Family Med?

yes...med schools make all the URM's do primary care..didn't you know that???

Race, not ability, determines what residency you end up doing.







You are lame

 

[Steve203]

This is quite interesting and it shows how truly ineffective Affirmative Action can be. It's almost like med schools are saying, "Sure, we'll help you get into med school because you are disadvantaged, but after that you're on your own."

If we're going to have affirmative action, it should be used at all levels of education - including residency, which is arguably the most important part of becoming a doctor. Otherwise, the system is just plain hypocritical.

Once you get into med school, the playing field for the most part has become level. I don't see the necessacity for AA beyond med school. Maybe I'm missing something here...

this is becoming a bigger issue than it needs to be....Like icecold said...less than 3% of doctors are URM..so I really doubt they are taking the food out of your mouth.

 

[youngnflyy]

I feel that after medical school admissions affirmative action should end. It's purpose is to be a tool to help minorities get their foot into the door. Whether or not you fail or succeed should be up to the individual.

 

[DoctaJay]

Or do med schools prefer them to do primary care or Family Med?

There is NO affirmative action when applying residency. In fact ECs don't even matter for residency. All that matters is grades, LORs, evals from your clinical rotations, Step 1 scores (more importantly), and WHO YOU KNOW (most importantly).

Don't feed the troll folks.

 

[Newton Bohr MD]

Or do med schools prefer them to do primary care or Family Med?

Why are you so obsessed with URM's??? Not all URMS are family doctors! Many are in internal medicine, surgery, emergency medicine etc... Stop being a jealous Asian-White supremacist! Your hateful attitude might be acceptable in your country but, won’t take you very far here.

 

[Tired]

Stop being a jealous Asian-White supremacist! Your hateful attitude might be acceptable in your country but, won’t take you very far here.

<sigh>

 

[Dr.Inviz]

Why are you so obsessed with URM's??? Not all URMS are family doctors! Many are in internal medicine, surgery, emergency medicine etc... Stop being a jealous Asian-White supremacist! Your hateful attitude might be acceptable in your country but, won’t take you very far here.

So hawty in your post ... are you, by any chance, a URM?