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Do you resent URM's?

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by unicorn06, Dec 6, 2005.

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Do you resent URMs?

  1. Yes.

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  2. No.

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  3. I am a URM.

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  1. unicorn06

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    So after a lively debate in the dinning hall, I'd like to post a question to you all.

    Do you resent URM's because of affirmative action?
     
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    Where did I send them in the first place?

    Gosh, I'm an idealist, who thinks people should be able to discuss anything civilly and rationally, but I think I've about given up on URM discussions :laugh:
     
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    i think the more valid question would be "do you resent the fact that adcoms tend to give special consideration to URMs". I would hope nobody intelligent enough to be here wouldnt resent someone for their ethnicity but rather would have beef with schools "recruiting" URMs, which we have no control over...
     
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    or tend to give special consideration to white folk.
     
  6. unicorn06

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    You must not know any democrats...haha....many democrats i know are unable to have a rational discussion about politics...one conservative word and you are christened (no pun intened) an evil evil republican with no morality
     
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    Please... close... thread...

    [​IMG]
     
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    very funny pic.
     
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    Not at all I have no resentment towards URM for AA. Its not there fault that its a terrible policy in place. Hell, if I was a URM i would take advantage of any edge i could get.
     
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    :thumbup:

    I am honestly perplexed that something of this nature has not been overturned in the courts. The last time I checked, it was supposed to be equal treatment and advancement based upon your qualifications, without consideration for the color of ones skin.
     
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    Nothing good can come from this. Please close this thread.
     
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    Sure this topic has been iterated a thousand times, but there's a reason, and it's because there is some real resentment out there.

    I have no problem with affirmative action. I do have a problem with its implementation. Some URMs who grew up as wealthy, private-schooled elites get preference over the truly disadvantanged inner city left-behinds, which is a damn shame. I have no problem giving up my "spot" on an acceptance list to someone whose family escaped segregation and Jim Crow laws less than a half century ago, but i do have a problem seeing acceptances being flung left and right at the Nigerian Ambassador's son (or equivalent, which I've personally witnessed). It completely defeats the purpose of these programs.
     
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    Just as if you are a Democrat and voice the opinion that maybe the application of military force is not the best approach to every international affairs problem, you are judged to be a lily livered liberal. Damn, stereotypes suck. There's nothing wrong with being conservative, liberal, black, white, yellow, or blue (ok, maybe there is something wrong with being blue :laugh:), so long as you don't begin to think it makes you special and immune from having to take into account others opinions, even if you disagree with them.
     
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    Pretty sad to resent URMs. :thumbdown:
     
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    Just in case AA isn't a contentious enough topic, let's throw in politics.
     
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    only the ones that didn't earn their spot
     
  17. Napoleon4000

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    PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD.... +pity+ +pad+
     
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    Please close this thread before I break down and respond to comments like this. :laugh:
     
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    THings have remained civil. I say let the thread stand until something does go wrong, if it happens.
     
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    please Close This Thread!!!!! :)
     
  21. unicorn06

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    I think this thread could be constructive as long as people don't get too emotional. Just not talking about it doesn't fix the resentment on either side. It's a big problem (the resentment) for both URMs and non-URMs.
     
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    You think that a thread that encourages judging entire groups of people will be constructive? Reminds me of the time I sat in class while my classmates debated the topic: "so, what do you think about black people?" It wasn't fun in person, and I doubt it'd be fun in cyberspace. :rolleyes:
     
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    how 'bout askin, do u resent ORM's for the advantages they have over other applicants? MUST.... CLOOSSEEE... THREEEADD... NOWWWW
     
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    As someone pointed out, the question was poorly worded and that the problem lays in the AA program itself, not with those who benefit from it. The discussion can and should be focused upon that- not judging an entire group, but judging a program and those who take advantage of it (such as the Nigerian ambassador's son).
     
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    It doesn't encourage judging people in any way. The poll is trying to find out how many non-URMs resent URMs because of affirmative action. This is an important issue that I think merits discussion. If you are in favor of either side of the issue, maybe you should lay out your reasons rather than simply suggesting that we forget the issue exists. No one is going to forget about it as long as affirmative action is a large part of admissions. The resentment can escalate into other types of prejudice against minorities and can also cause non minorities to assume that any URM could not have gotten in without affirmative action and is underqualified. I think most of us would agree this is detrimental to the success of URMs.
     
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    I never said to ignore the issue, but trust me... it's not going to be solved on sdn. Maybe you haven't been a member long enough to see how awful these threads always turn out, but since you think you're breaking new ground, go for it. I'll let you see for yourself how "constructive" your thread is going to be.
     
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    But how many of the issues we discuss on here are really going to be "solved" on here? The vast majority of threads on here either start out or wind up (sometimes both) as someone complaining about one "injustice", inconvenience, or difficulty of some sort of another.
     
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    AA is NOT a large part of admission in most schools (i.e. U.C.s where minority populations continue to drop since AA was canceled!). They do not accept students that are underqualified. For example, in Penn Med's minority population over 95% have graduated and done well. Those are phenomenal stats!

    This thread topic was worded VERY poorly! I HIGHLY suggest closing this thread ASAP!
     
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    I retract my prior support for this thread and now believe that this thread should be locked.
     
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    FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PLEASE LOCK, CLOSE THIS THREAD.

    +pity+
     
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    I don't think you understand the point I was making.
    I'm not saying that URMs do poorly in med school. I'm simply saying that because they get in with lower stats, the ASSUMPTION is that they are not as well-qualified or deserving of their place in the med school class. Many apply this assumption to all URMs, regardless of whether they could have gotten in without affirmative action.
     
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    :laugh: Tell us how you really feel.
     
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    I don't resent URMs, but I do resent Mr. Peanut because I want a monocle and a cane.
     
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    ME LOVE URM LONG TIME
     
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    You know...nothing good can come of this. This topic has been beaten to death and probably will be for the next several years. On the other hand there is another way to handle this thread.... :oops:

    Do you think Northwestern is going to woop UCLA?
     
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    please stop that. u were heard the first time.
     
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    excellent poll! anonymity is the best weapon against pc speak. good one unicorn, youve redeemed yourself in my eyes after some prior threads and polls that were slightly lacking

    No close--what are you guys so scared about anyway? things "getting out of hand"? an undesirable poll result? solution: dont post or read. its called responsibility. sigh, exactly like when ppl call for bans in the private sector. to "protect" ppl, right?

    in case my answer to the poll is obvious, i offer the caveat that i only resent those urms (or orms) who advocate policies which give rise to resentment in the first place. to everyone else, much respect

    i think if topics were truly beaten to death it would be obvious as they would quickly be pushed toward back pages of posts rather than the front page. beaten to death topics dont grow at organic rates. the way to end threads is for them to die, not be killed. seems like something might be running deeper...
     
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    Where's that darn ignore button again...
     
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    As a Jewish person, I find this indicative of ignorance and bigotry. Do you resent URMs? I've had some harmless posts removed. This one is just offensive. And yes, I can ignore it, but I choose to ask for it to be banned.
     
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    Hahahahha...you're funny :laugh:
     
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    hmm, well youre officially in my good books unicorn. democrats and rationality in the same sentence? you must be kidding. i learned this long ago. if you reveal one right wing tendency, be prepared for a slew of insults, emotions, and flawed reasonings. and cries for censorship--its not in fact the right that does the censoring. witness the outcries in this thread already. theres a good chance theyll be heeded, depending on how libertarian the sdn government is. for the record, its the right that: donates more, exhibits more morals, and enacts policies that actually help urms get off their feet. to mention a quote, sympathy means helping a person get out of the gutter, not lying down there with him
     
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    wouldnt a better solution be to let people talk and ignore (officially) them individually as needed. i dont see whats so terrifying--youd probably be better off using that method, as you would know exactly who to label as bigoted, hateful, etc etc, vs leaving all of that in the dark by banning/closing.

    SDN, this brings up an interesting suggestion--an ignore thread function? then again...isnt that known as self discipline
     
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    :mad:

    At least change the question to something that doesn't read "Do you hold a grudge against certain entire races?" I can't believe all these people are responding Yes to such a poorly worded question, anti-AA or not.
     
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    I gotta say I agree with you shredder. It's all the people whining about how these threads get out of hand that actually start to get the thread out of hand...damn..see, now I'm doing it too...

    Oh, and I agree the question was poorly worded. I think everyone understands what the OP meant though.
     
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    i think the point is clear, and i think threads like these are very valuable considering that these people are going to be our future classmates, colleagues and citizens, and silencing speech does not silence thoughts. its better to get things out than harbor them. its festering feelings that give rise to problems, not openly expressed ones

    the fact that there are so many yes responses indicates a problem, and the solution to problems is neither silencing them nor altering their parameters to make it appear as if there is no problem
     
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    My inaction to suppress this bigotry would be contradictory to my nature. ;) Although your logic is reasonable, if I allowed this to go on without some form of strong dissent then I would be indirectly supporting this thread. It's my own version of the "good samaritan. :oops: Besides, I've seen some harmless threads be removed. Although, I've seen quite a few deserving of censorship, which have been rightly moved or justifiabily closed down. :oops:
     
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    SDN ToS/constitution addresses a distinction between bigotry/hate/spam/trolling and legitimate and sincere expressions, regardless of their nature. only in pre allo are bannings and closing so rampant--ppl need to grow up and tolerate (to use a liberal buzzword) different viewpoints and opinions, provided theyre articulated in a manner that is not clearly inflammatory or insulting. actually that last part is a concession as i think even that should fly, but i dont own these parts
     
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    I respect your point of view Shredder. But look:
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    Do you [B]resent URMs?[/B]

    How does this help? And while I believe in free speech, I don't consent to flagrant bigotry. Why not ask do you resent the unfairness of this process? In which case I would support dialogue. The question was poorly phrased: either because the person was tired or had recently experienced a rejection. Something... I don't claim to know why. Besides the post is also contradictory. Where is the tolerance in the post:Do you [B]resent URMs?[/B]?

    Why should I display tolerance for those who may not be?
     
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    Yes the poll question is messed up but I think the intent is clear.
     
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    Aside from the obvious, what is the intent?
     
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    George Bush don't care about URM!!!!!!!
     
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