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Hey I am in medical school and am having a hard time finding an unbiased source to tell me average salaries for certain specilties.

Does anyone have any good links or knows off hand where I can get this information.

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Be forewarned that even mentioning "salary" on this forum will result in lots of righteous people yelling at you about doing something for the love of it. :D
 
salary.com is a pretty cool website. I don't if you've tried it before. It was mentioned in another "doctor's salary" thread in this forum. Have fun with it, it's a lot of information. I don't know how biased it might be though.
 
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These are great sites thanks alot.
 
Wow I knew doctors got payed alot but this is just amazing. Now I know I want to be a physican.
 
Just remember to slice off 40% of most of those numbers...remember, it's pre-tax....
 
Originally posted by surfdevl02
Just remember to slice off 40% of most of those numbers...remember, it's pre-tax....


Why are you stating the obvious. We're all intelligent people here and can figure that one out. Surveys on salaries all have to be based on gross income to make for a fair basis of comparison as states have different income tax rates. Maybe you're the stupid one!
 
They are after expenses though so it's not too bad.
 
Originally posted by medicine2006
Why are you stating the obvious. We're all intelligent people here and can figure that one out. Surveys on salaries all have to be based on gross income to make for a fair basis of comparison as states have different income tax rates. Maybe you're the stupid one!

Geeze man lighten up no one said anything about anyone being stupid.
 
Anyone know of a link that has salaries for clinical scientists in the biotech/pharma industry?
 
So those salary listings are after malpractice insurance is taken out but before taxes are included?

Why is that? Both taxes and malpractice insurance varies widely from area to area. It seems like it would be mroe reasonable to list net salaries with no expenses taken out.
 
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Malpractice insurance is a business expense, and therefore not taxable. It would have to list all other overhead and total billing if they included insurance costs, and that would really complicate the survey. This way it is just the average gross personal income being listed.

DALA
 
It's a small point, but most salary data is based upon voluntary surveys. I think this is why it is difficult to obtain completely accurate salary information. Many of the cited surveys I have seen on sdn may not even ask for the identity of the participant, permitting multiple entries by anonymous people.

Also, the surveyors often are newspaper reporters, magazines, etc...individuals who may prefer not to fuss about accuracy. They might not scoff at a little bit of hyperbole (outliers like a 2million/yr spine surgeon) to spice their results up a bit.

I think that only the IRS and public census bureau could be in a position to evaluate the kind of questions many sdner's want answers for. Until then, I think you may want to take these surveys with a grain of salt.
 
Originally posted by medicine2006
Why are you stating the obvious. We're all intelligent people here and can figure that one out. Surveys on salaries all have to be based on gross income to make for a fair basis of comparison as states have different income tax rates. Maybe you're the stupid one!


The person was just giving you a reminder. Take it easy. No need to jump down his/her throat because after all, he was just being nice.

I'll bet you're the typical premed/med student.
 
Let's not forget malpractice. But if you go military, :D , you don't have to worry about that. Your salary is smaller, but 30% of it is tax free:clap:
 
Originally posted by sacrament
Be forewarned that even mentioning "salary" on this forum will result in lots of righteous people yelling at you about doing something for the love of it. :D

dude sacrement, you always crack me up! :)

you are one hilarious dude! :D
 
To find some real-life salary figures for Physicians, just look at the back of the American Family Physican journal. It literally says "Physicians Wanted" and lists positions available just as your good o'l newspaper classifieds.

Some of the adds clearly list the salary that they are offering and from reading through the ads...... it appears that $125,000 is the average salary that is offered for physicians irrespective of the location, clinic size, experience, etc. There is one from illinois for emergency medicine that lists the hourly rate: "Shifts available are FastTrack (10am-10pm) or double-covered ED shifts (D2's: 9am-5pm or 5pm-1am). Full-time: $100/hour; ED D2's: $110/hour

Full text online: www.aafp.org/afp
 
Originally posted by EyeCandy
To find some real-life salary figures for Physicians, just look at the back of the American Family Physican journal. It literally says "Physicians Wanted" and lists positions available just as your good o'l newspaper classifieds.

Some of the adds clearly list the salary that they are offering and from reading through the ads...... it appears that $125,000 is the average salary that is offered for physicians irrespective of the location, clinic size, experience, etc. There is one from illinois for emergency medicine that lists the hourly rate: "Shifts available are FastTrack (10am-10pm) or double-covered ED shifts (D2's: 9am-5pm or 5pm-1am). Full-time: $100/hour; ED D2's: $110/hour

Full text online: www.aafp.org/afp


$100/hr x 40hrs/week x 52weeks/yr = $208,000.00!!!!
$100/hr x 60hrs/week x 52weeks/yr = $312,000.00!!!!

Now that doesn't sound to bad to me! Especially when you consider that there is no call.

DALA
 
Those shiny numbers on salary.com only tell you part of the story. Before you get too giggly, read this:

Malpractice insurance has skyrocketed in the wake of many lawsuits aimed at specific physicians, hospitals, and the field of medicine in general. Distraught families no longer blame God or fate for the death or disability of loved ones, they blame the doctors who treat them. As in any profession, there are certainly some who deserve such blame. However, careful, caring physicians are more and more often finding themselves fighting legal battles for their right to continue practicing. In what other profession can a simple mistake cost a life? Doctors are not heartless, their failures weigh heavily on them. Yet neither are they perfect, and often we expect too much from them.

Today you may find an Ophthalmologist selling cars, or a Neurologist writing textbooks. Hardest hit may be the specialty of OB/GYN, whose malpractice insurance can be upwards of $200,000 per year. Many good doctors are leaving the profession, citing rising malpractice costs and a lack of respect from their patients. Pressure from powerful HMO's and the public to keep costs to a minimum is greatly decreasing the earning potential of solo practitioners. Consequently they must work longer hours and see more patients to make ends meet. One Family Practice physician recently complained that her net take-home pay after all expenses (including malpractice and student loans) is approximately $37,000 per year. Less than her husband's salary as a Chief Petty Officer in the Navy. You find many doctors leaving their practices for jobs with pharmaceutical companies, hospital administration, and research. Positions with high salaries, better work hours, and less stress.

Reference: http://www.mommd.com/beingadoctor.shtml
 
It is very true that the rising costs of medical malpractice insurance reduces the net income of practicing physicians. However, the crisis is more hyped up due to calls for an end to frivilous lawsuits and massive tort reform.

Yes, there are areas where insurance premiums have made it impossible for physicians to practice, but many states are taking measures to curb the disturbing trend. To reduce med-mal, board of medical examiners must be strengthened to censure bad doctors. The doctor-patient relationship must regain the role it once had to reduce potential litigation.

As I see it, it you become a physician not for the money, although it is a plus, but for a true desire to cure and comfort people in need, then all will take care of itself in the end.
 
those were the cons fromt hat mommd article. here are the pros:

The Pros:

Despite the changes taking place in the profession, applications to medical schools rose to an all-time high in the late 1980's and early 1990's and while they have stabilized in the last ten years, schools still receive 3 to 5 times more applicants than they have positions for. Certainly one reason for this is that medicine is still among the highest paying and most prestigious professions in the country. The following chart shows the average salaries of US physicians:

Median Net Income of M.D.s after Expenses, in U.S. Dollars
All Physicians $160,000 Pathology $185,000
Radiology $230,000 Psychiatry $124,000
Surgery $225,000 Family Practice $124,000
Anesthesiology $203,000 Emergency Medicine $170,000
Obstetrics/gynecology $200,000 General Internal Medicine $138,000
Source: US Department of Labor, 1995

However, if you are only interested in the money, you should look for another field. MBA's have a higher entry level salary and obtain their credentials much more easily. If money is your motivating factor, you probably won't get past the med school interview, and if you do, residency will probably wash you out.

As a physician you will enjoy not only monetary rewards, but humanistic rewards which are priceless. We can all imagine how painful it must be to tell a family that their loved one has just died, but can you imagine how amazing it must feel to repair the defective heart of a tiny baby? Or to remove a malignant tumor from the brain of a young mother? Or to help an injured man to walk again, thereby giving him the gift of dignity, the ability to support his family, and the freedom to play catch with his son.
 
Originally posted by MSV MD 2B
those were the cons fromt hat mommd article. here are the pros:

The Pros:

Despite the changes taking place in the profession, applications to medical schools rose to an all-time high in the late 1980's and early 1990's and while they have stabilized in the last ten years, schools still receive 3 to 5 times more applicants than they have positions for. Certainly one reason for this is that medicine is still among the highest paying and most prestigious professions in the country. The following chart shows the average salaries of US physicians:

Median Net Income of M.D.s after Expenses, in U.S. Dollars
All Physicians $160,000 Pathology $185,000
Radiology $230,000 Psychiatry $124,000
Surgery $225,000 Family Practice $124,000
Anesthesiology $203,000 Emergency Medicine $170,000
Obstetrics/gynecology $200,000 General Internal Medicine $138,000
Source: US Department of Labor, 1995

However, if you are only interested in the money, you should look for another field. MBA's have a higher entry level salary and obtain their credentials much more easily. If money is your motivating factor, you probably won't get past the med school interview, and if you do, residency will probably wash you out.

As a physician you will enjoy not only monetary rewards, but humanistic rewards which are priceless. We can all imagine how painful it must be to tell a family that their loved one has just died, but can you imagine how amazing it must feel to repair the defective heart of a tiny baby? Or to remove a malignant tumor from the brain of a young mother? Or to help an injured man to walk again, thereby giving him the gift of dignity, the ability to support his family, and the freedom to play catch with his son.

I take issue with parts of this post..primarily the statement that MBA students have a higher entry salary..no they dont! Maybe higher than FP's, but still, it is hard to find an MBA witih a starting salary of 6 figures.

Money is very important, and it is about time that med students stop shying away from it..We are in a capitalistic society, not a socialist one. Money is important..very important. If we want to maximize our compensation, LOWER costs to the patient, and increase patient quality of care, we need more capitalism, not socialism...........back to work...
 
The national averages are a bit misleading because salaries vary greatly, not only with specialty, but with region and whether the physician is in private practice, employed by a hospital, etc. Every region has some sort of Medical Society or Foundation, usually on a county basis. You would find out more specific information if you know what area you are interested in living and talking to the medical foundation in that area.

Eye Candy also had a good suggestion about looking at classifieds for physicians. Again, there will be a lot of disparity based on where and the kind of position.

FYI - I plan to practice in the rural area where I currently live. Most small rural hospitals offer salary/practice guarantees for one or two years to attract new physicians to the area.
 
Originally posted by MSV MD 2B
However, if you are only interested in the money, you should look for another field. MBA's have a higher entry level salary

BUH-LOE-KNEE
 
True, MDs have a higher salary as an attending/private practitioner than an MBA has upon graduation.

True, the MD is and has always been a pretty good way to make good dough - especially if you're risk averse and want a comfortable living (huge $$ are available almost exclusively in other fields and even then rarely).

Here's the rub. The MBA takes two years. It's 7-11 from start to finishing residency (+/- fellowship) and starting to make the big bucks. So, if all you want is a comfortable living, the MD isn't the ONLY way to do this (as some previous posts imply).

When you think about money, you've got to think about time as well.

The real question is how you want to make that money. Figure that out, go from there and don't worry about comparing the two.
 
Money is very important, and it is about time that med students stop shying away from it..We are in a capitalistic society, not a socialist one. Money is important..very important. If we want to maximize our compensation, LOWER costs to the patient, and increase patient quality of care, we need more capitalism, not socialism...........back to work... [/B]

Whoa! I'm still reeling aftering being so brutally beaten over the head with the truth :eek:.

Don't you know that it's not nice to point out the obvious because you might hurt someone's feelings. Comments like your's make some sensitive folks feel like money grubbing evil capitalists. Suggesting that physicians should actually get paid for their services really makes these admirable benevolent public servants cringe. It's commical the way they quickly go into lecture mode when you bring up salary or even mention that you will be paid one day...

Stud 1: "yea, Daddy is so cheap. He bought me the infinity instead of the Benz. I can't believe that he got me a toyota; uh or is that a honda. At least it'll have that new car smell for awhile"
Stud 2: " Speaking of cars, mine's falling apart... Money's so tight now that my wife's laid off. I can't wait until I get that first real paycheck so I can get a nice car that doesn't break down all the time"
Stud 1: "You want a nice car? That is so selfish. I can't believe that with all the suffering that's going on today in the world, all you can think about is getting your stupid 'nice car'. We're studying to be doctors to help people! True kindness doesn't have a price tag. Greedy doctors who've had everything given to them in life make so much money, and keep taking, and taking, and taking. I couldn't believe it when I found that my dad made $250,000 last year. I suggested that he donate a chunk of that to charity, and he had the nerve to say "I pay my taxes and your tuition; that's more than enough charity for me". He's just a bloodsucker like the rest, and a cheap one at that. Think of all the homeless people that you could feed if you just paid doctors like you pay secretaries. We could even have free healthcare for everyone if they would just write a law that makes doctors do a whole bunch of volunteer work to be licensed."
Stud 2: Huh? I bust my a$$ for 4 years and incurred a debt that's going to cost me $250,000 to pay back. I then get to look forward to 3-7 yrs of long hours making less than minium wage. You really have some nerve trying to guilt me for planning to buy a reliable car after I've worked so hard to be in a position to help my fellow man and be financially secure at the same time.
Stud 1: "Ughhhh! You are just so closed minded. I never thought you were one of those who wanted to get rich at the expense of the poor. I'll bet that in addition to being an elitist oppressor of the less fortunate, you are also a racist, a sexist , and a homophobe..."

... and so it goes...

:laugh:
 
I bet you put a lot of thought into this
 
I don't disagree that physicians should be paid handsomly, but the amount they are currently being paid is rediculous. No physician should make more than $120k/year.

It's not like getting into medical school requires some incredibly rare trait or talent. You take a set of courses, all of which are under the 400 level, sit for an exam, do some volunteer work, a few letters of recommendation, and BAM! You get in, assuming you did well enough.

I always wonder where physicians get their egos. Perhaps it's from a false sense of accomplishment that comes from overcoming the odds, not intellectual prowess.

My hat is off to theoretical physicists who make half the salary; they're the genuinely smart ones and deserve to have an ego.
 
"No physician should make more than $120k/year.

It's not like getting into medical school requires some incredibly rare trait or talent. You take a set of courses, all of which are under the 400 level, sit for an exam, do some volunteer work, a few letters of recommendation, and BAM! You get in, assuming you did well enough. "

I have a tape of my sister when she was 7 talking about boys. Its a riot. "boys are smelly and gross and they have BAD BREATH. (how do you know?) BECAUSE OF DAD!" So funny.

Keep a recond of those words you wrote. And if you pick a reasonably hard specialty, while your in residency read the words. Youll have a good laugh.
 
Originally posted by JKDMed I don't disagree that physicians should be paid handsomly, but the amount they are currently being paid is rediculous. No physician should make more than $120k/year.

Where did you pull that number... Uh, I can guess. In that case, independant OB's get to make around -$80K/yr.

It's not like getting into medical school requires some incredibly rare trait or talent. You take a set of courses, all of which are under the 400 level, sit for an exam, do some volunteer work, a few letters of recommendation, and BAM! You get in, assuming you did well enough.

You say it yourself, "assuming you did well enough". Do you realize what that implies? It implies that you have to meet or exceed a standard, which only 75% of applicants fail to do each year. Just because necessities for getting in are fairly well defined doesn't make it easy.

Using your logic: "It's not like being a Nobel Laureate requires some incredibly rare trait or talent. You take a set of courses, find a mentor, publish some papers, get your own lab, and spend some time there, and BAM! You have the cure for AIDS assuming you designed and executed your experiments properly."

I always wonder where physicians get their egos. Perhaps it's from a false sense of accomplishment that comes from overcoming the odds, not intellectual prowess.

Obviously USC doesn't work you guys enough. Ever taken q3 call (overnight; staying until 11pm isn't call, its leaving at the usual time for many schools)? Do attendings not pimp you? No fun filled mental gymnastics? How can you practice medicine without intellectual prowess? Perhaps you just slipped through the cracks... :)

My hat is off to theoretical physicists who make half the salary; they're the genuinely smart ones and deserve to have an ego.

Mine too... but if they are producing, then they are making much more than $120K. If they are sitting around being smart and publishing papers that have no practical significance, then they don't deserve half the salary.

Its going to be an eye opening experience when the real world sneaks up on you and bites you in the...
 
Originally posted by gibna
I bet you put a lot of thought into this

Not really; just another product of boredom
 
JKDMed,


lovely portrayal of socialism. I believe the market should set all prices...nothing has intrinsic value. Example...what would you rather have right now...5 lbs of water or gold? Gold holds more value, right? Well, what about in the sahara desert? The market of supply and demand sets values of worth.

With that said, the market for healthcare will always place a premium on health as long as our society values life...and as long as we have people who want to live ;) In my opinion, the market is constrained by stupid rules right now...no free market allowed, a mix of bad socialism and pseudo-capitalism..we get no benefits of each, and just the worst of both. We end up with diminished quality of care, HIGH costs, and lower compensation for docs.

Let's move back to the free market, and see how much docs are "worth"...I imagine it will be a hell of alot more than 120k...haha.

Blitz
 
So what does that mean for us theoretical physicists that went on to medical school?

Having been in that world, I have to comment. Just because you're working on advanced string theory and publishing ahead of your time does not make you any better/worthy. It can be as life-expanding as it can be life-limiting. That is why I am now in medicine.
Ego is unwarranted in any field. And there are plenty in the 'hard' sciences. I think that the best people come with the knowledge that they have so much more to learn. The best ask the best questions from everyone around them.

Some doctors do have immense egos, because they feel that their position in society allows this. People come to them with the expectation of the Wizard of Oz. This self-sufficient, self-serving life has changed with the advent of patient advocacy, internet, etc.
Some other doctors and I postulate the better ones, come with the attitude that the patient and I are going to tackle problems as a team and decide on everything together.

Money comes from what people value -- health, investing, law, business. Doctors get paid well, but are expected to invest a lot of time at the front end with little compensation.
Do we deserve it? No.
Will I take advantage to do things that are important to me (working a month abroad here and there funded by my salary)? Absolutely.

Just monologuing on the page,
CycloneDub

Originally posted by JKDMed
I don't disagree that physicians should be paid handsomly, but the amount they are currently being paid is rediculous. No physician should make more than $120k/year.

It's not like getting into medical school requires some incredibly rare trait or talent. You take a set of courses, all of which are under the 400 level, sit for an exam, do some volunteer work, a few letters of recommendation, and BAM! You get in, assuming you did well enough.

I always wonder where physicians get their egos. Perhaps it's from a false sense of accomplishment that comes from overcoming the odds, not intellectual prowess.

My hat is off to theoretical physicists who make half the salary; they're the genuinely smart ones and deserve to have an ego.
 
Originally posted by JKDMed

It's not like getting into medical school requires some incredibly rare trait or talent. You take a set of courses, all of which are under the 400 level, sit for an exam, do some volunteer work, a few letters of recommendation, and BAM! You get in, assuming you did well enough.

You are not from California are you?
 
It doesn't take a genius to get an A in a 100-level Chemistry course, regardless of which school you attend. Sorry to pop your ego. Most of you admit in other threads the road to medical school is more tedious and frustrating than difficult, but when your egos are challenged you preach the contrary.

Here's a fun factoid: No fewer students are on the left of the curve in a premed course as a general ed course. The distribution of grades tends to be relatively consistant to other college courses, barring any usual circumstances such as inflation or lenient professors. Why is this? Because these courses are introductory-level courses.

To quote CycloneDub, "Do we deserve it? No. ". I'm glad at least one person gets my point and, coincidentally, that person happened to be a prior student of physics. Come on, who said anything about socialism? And the comparsion between a Nobel Laurette? Give me a break.

And don't give me the crap about how "tough" residency is. Working a lot doesn't mean you deserve a cookie. Try going through something tougher, like SEAL or Pararescue training, or maybe be an astronaut for awhile. Try fighting in a war; the 19 year old soldier earning a fraction of the pay, who served on the front lines of a war, deserves what you guys think everyone else owes you.

Am I bashing medicine? Maybe I am be a little too harsh. It's a great field and I look forward to practicing. But please quit acting like you guys have accomplished the most difficult task a human can endeavor. Nobody owes you anything because you have two letters after your name; You only earn THAT by your actions.
 
I LOVE our military and talk god they are there doing what they do.

HOWEVER. In a capitalist society there is such a thing as supply and demand, it sets prices. The fact that nearly any lost and unmotivated 18 year old can join the military shows how abundant our supply of military recriuts are. Suppy does not care whether you fullfil it because you work hard or because you are smart. The fact is NOT MANY people can become doctors. I have seen SO many people try their hardest to make above a 24 on the MCAT after making a decent GPA and they just cant do it. Or vice versa. Doctors have 100% employment (or so). High demand, low supply. All there is to it.
 
Originally posted by hightrump
I LOVE our military and talk god they are there doing what they do.

HOWEVER. In a capitalist society there is such a thing as supply and demand, it sets prices. The fact that nearly any lost and unmotivated 18 year old can join the military shows how abundant our supply of military recriuts are. Suppy does not care whether you fullfil it because you work hard or because you are smart. The fact is NOT MANY people can become doctors. I have seen SO many people try their hardest to make above a 24 on the MCAT after making a decent GPA and they just cant do it. Or vice versa. Doctors have 100% employment (or so). High demand, low supply. All there is to it.

I was a Marine for eight years, in the infantry, and I can say that Medical School is a lot harder then being a Marine. You have it exactly right.

Anybody, within reason, can enlist in the Marines and make it through boot camp. In fact, you can do an entire enlistment on auto-pilot if you don't mind spending four years as a PFC. Basically all you would have to do is respect the chain of comand, follow orders, and keep yourself fit and "squared away."

I just want to say that it is not just the "unmotivated" who join the military. I was pretty motivated, when I enlisted back in the early eighties, to roam the globe killing communists. But I didn't expect to make a lot of money.
 
I didn't say *anything* in the military is more difficult.

The only "special person" it takes to get into medical school is someone with enough patience to put up with all the bull****. And while we're on this supply/demand thing, there's actually more demand for nurses than physicians.

I think the success and presence of PA's and NP's show that even the "average" person can assume the job of a physician with less of the education. It really makes you wonder how useful some of what you learn is.

Honestly, I think the only reason physicians retain the "respect" and inexplicable salary that they retain is because of tradition. Fear the day the PA or NP can practice without physician supervision.

This talk raises an interesting question. Are physicians a dying breed as other fields slowly creep into their territory?
 
Originally posted by JKDMed
And don't give me the crap about how "tough" residency is. Working a lot doesn't mean you deserve a cookie. Try going through something tougher, like SEAL or Pararescue training, or maybe be an astronaut for awhile. Try fighting in a war; the 19 year old soldier earning a fraction of the pay, who served on the front lines of a war, deserves what you guys think everyone else owes you.

JKD-

You're correct. Working 90 hours a week (be damned what the 80 hour work week law says) doesn't mean I deserve a cookie.

But in this past week, I've watched a 70 year old woman die right in front of me as her aneurysm blew. I was with her in her last few minutes, trying to save her life, but I knew she had no chance. Two hours earlier she was telling me about how her grandchild was going to college. Ten minutes after I pronounced her dead, I got to tell her soon-to-be college bound granddaughter that her grandmother was dead.

I also got to tell a 25 year old man that he'd never walk again because when the surgeons cross-clamped the aorta, they embolized both iliac arteries.

Pronounced 5 other people dead. Got to call five of their husbands/wives/children at 2 AM to come in for the news. "But my wife was ... alive... three hours ago when I last saw her?!?!"

Helped a woman recover from a heart attack after 2 men broke into her house at 2 AM, raped her, and stuffed her face with a pillow until she passed out. She was 65 years old.

You're right, JDKmed, that I am not as tough as a Navy SEAL or a SWAT member, or anyone in the marines fighting terrorism.

And I DON'T ask for a "cookie" for doing what I have done this past week.

I suppose 90% of the people out there would be able to handle what I've done this past week. And probably better than how I handled it. Maybe they would have sat and talked with the family for two hours after each death. Maybe they would have called the PA to come and do it. Maybe we could just send them a mass email telling them their husband of 40 years is dead. It doesn't take much education to do all of this, I suppose. Maybe, just maybe, we could just have the patient care technicians handle it all. I mean, all they have to do is follow the AHA guidelines for a cardiac arrest... right? How hard can it be? And telling the family that their loved one is dead only takes ten seconds. "I'm sorry Mrs. Smith, your husband is dead." And walk away. Not hard. I could be paid $5.00 an hour to do that, I suppose.

Its pretty damn hard telling a 40 year old man that his mother was raped by two men and left for dead. Even harder telling him that his mother might die from the heart attack she received.

But I'm not asking for a cookie.

Q, DO
 
Originally posted by ItsGavinC
Props to Quinn.

That was one of the most memorable posts I've seen in my three years on SDN.

Its all in a week's work. You all will be there, at some point in your careers. Do I think I'm a saint for doing it? No. Do I think I have some special talent to do it? No. Do I think anyone can do it? Yes.

My dad once paid $150 to have our garage fixed. The mechanic came out, put a spring in some gearbox, and charged $150. It took him 5 minutes work. Plus maybe a $3.00 spring. This guy has about 20 calls to fix garages a day. That's a LOT of money. Could we all do that job? Probably. Do I think he deserves that kind of money? Sure, why not. Its a capitalist society. Did he go to college? No. Did he take any sub-400 level chemistry class? No. Is he getting his cookies? Yes.

Q, DO
 
No offense to Quinn or anyone else here. I'm just tired of seeing doctors treat other people like crap and then wonder why they're not given "respect", all the while whining about only making $160,000 a year. There's no reason to treat other people poorly, regardless of your position.

In the ER I volunteer, only 3/7 physicians I have met aren't pricks. One of those three happens to be a DO and, not coincidentally, the nicest and most personable of the group.
 
Originally posted by JKDMed
No offense to Quinn or anyone else here. I'm just tired of seeing doctors treat other people like crap and then wonder why they're not given "respect", all the while whining about only making $160,000 a year. There's no reason to treat other people poorly, regardless of your position.

In the ER I volunteer, only 3/7 physicians I have met aren't pricks. One of those three happens to be a DO and, not coincidentally, the nicest and most personable of the group.

No offense to you, JKD...

but when I was an orderly in the ED during college, I used to think that a lot of the physicians were "pricks." They ordered the nurses to do absolutely everything, made them do things they didnt' want to do, and yelled at them they almost gave the wrong drug to a patient during a code. I used to say "I will never be like that. I will treat the nurses like my best friends, and will always say please."

Now that I can actually order drugs and procedures to be done, I realize that those doctors weren't "pricks." They were doing what had to be done. Some doctors need to "flex" their authority because their personality type will be walked on if they don't. Some physicians (like myself) are pretty outgoing and make friends pretty easily. I dont' need to ask a nurse twice to do something for me. I know their first names and what makes them tick.

Some of my fellow residents don't care to get to know the nurses by the first name. They just bark orders... and if they're not done bark again. Does that make them a prick? No, I don't believe it does. Their personality type is not like mine. They don't care to "get to know all their co-workers." They just want to do their job and get the hell out of Dodge. Don't fault them for it.

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