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I may totally get slammed for this, but....
Nursing and Medicine are two different fields. If the Nurses wanted to do the work of the doctor, why don't they go to Medical school and become doctors? I would be in support of a track for nurses to go through Medical training to become a doctor, complete with USMLEs and Residency.
Why in the world are they proposing to dump more medicare money into DNP training, when they can just use that money to expand PC residences!
Why in the world are they proposing to dump more medicare money into DNP training, when they can just use that money to expand PC residences!
I may totally get slammed for this, but....
Nursing and Medicine are two different fields. If the Nurses wanted to do the work of the doctor, why don't they go to Medical school and become doctors? I would be in support of a track for nurses to go through Medical training to become a doctor, complete with USMLEs and Residency.
It depends on what you mean by "expand"... from my understanding of it...hundreds of residency slots, under this category, go unfilled each year
http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2009/11...-solve-the-primary-care-shortage/tab/article/
Here's an idea, why not expand their roles and have patients decide if they will accept a NP or if they prefer being treated by an MD? Want a lower cost NP? You can pocket half the difference, in cash, from your insurance company. Maybe if congress and the AMA didn't have centrally planned MD monopoly on medicine that also limits the number of spots available in medical school, we would, by now, have more advanced NPs to meet demand that could do much more for much less. Medical school tuition would fall dramatically due to this downward pressure on costs and we would all be much happier (except the doctors who just paid six figures for their degree).
Think outside the box guys. We don't have enough physicians to meet demand, and more people are going to become insured. How are we going to meet this demand and lower costs if we can only use a small supply of doctors with a $250,000 MD degree for routine care? People will just receive less, more expensive care.
If we are truly worried about costs, it's time to put our money where our mouths are.
My 2 cents.
I recently had a student from a 2-year nursing program tell me that they learn everything a doctor does, but condensed into 2 years. It's no surprise to me these idiots want to take over the medical field.
Here's an idea, why not expand their roles and have patients decide if they will accept a NP or if they prefer being treated by an MD? Want a lower cost NP? You can pocket half the difference, in cash, from your insurance company.
Here's an idea, why not expand their roles and have patients decide if they will accept a NP or if they prefer being treated by an MD? Want a lower cost NP? You can pocket half the difference, in cash, from your insurance company. Maybe if congress and the AMA didn't have centrally planned MD monopoly on medicine that also limits the number of spots available in medical school, we would, by now, have more advanced NPs to meet demand that could do much more for much less. Medical school tuition would fall dramatically due to this downward pressure on costs and we would all be much happier (except the doctors who just paid six figures for their degree).
Think outside the box guys. We don't have enough physicians to meet demand, and more people are going to become insured. How are we going to meet this demand and lower costs if we can only use a small supply of doctors with a $250,000 MD degree for routine care? People will just receive less, more expensive care.
If we are truly worried about costs, it's time to put our money where our mouths are.
My 2 cents.
Here's an idea, why not expand their roles and have patients decide if they will accept a NP or if they prefer being treated by an MD? Want a lower cost NP? You can pocket half the difference, in cash, from your insurance company. Maybe if congress and the AMA didn't have centrally planned MD monopoly on medicine that also limits the number of spots available in medical school, we would, by now, have more advanced NPs to meet demand that could do much more for much less. Medical school tuition would fall dramatically due to this downward pressure on costs and we would all be much happier (except the doctors who just paid six figures for their degree).
Think outside the box guys. We don't have enough physicians to meet demand, and more people are going to become insured. How are we going to meet this demand and lower costs if we can only use a small supply of doctors with a $250,000 MD degree for routine care? People will just receive less, more expensive care.
If we are truly worried about costs, it's time to put our money where our mouths are.
My 2 cents.
There are more residency spots available than there are MDs each year.Not the problem....residencies make practicing docs not med schools.
"I don't think patients are ever confused. People are not stupid," said Linda Roemer, a nurse practitioner in Sedona, Ariz., who uses "Dr. Roemer" as part of her e-mail address.
Calling themselves doctors and wearing white coats... of course patients think it's a nurse seeing them.
There are more residency spots available than there are MDs each year.
"I don't think patients are ever confused. People are not stupid," said Linda Roemer, a nurse practitioner in Sedona, Ariz., who uses "Dr. Roemer" as part of her e-mail address.
Calling themselves doctors and wearing white coats... of course patients think it's a nurse seeing them.
heck, most of the time anyone, phlebotmist, x-ray tech, etc. walk into a pts. room they think they're a doc. so yeah, pts. are not easily confused at all.
I agree.31 posts and no one has made fun of the OP for his title? SDN is slipping...
Welcome to ****ing America ... everyone feels entitled to a piece of the pie without doing any of the work. This is super annoying in medicine, but it isn't limited to this field ... at all.
We should all just stop fighting it and take advantage of it ... open up a crap load of clinics, stuff 'em with these 'doctors,' and then just manage. Or better yet ... open up one of these DNP programs. I'm sure you don't have to screw with setting up rotations and such, so you could probably just open up shop, charge insane amounts for tuition and profit.
31 posts and no one has made fun of the OP for his title? SDN is slipping...
31 posts and no one has made fun of the OP for his title? SDN is slipping...
Before we open up the DNP program, start a church first, that way its tax free!!!
Hmmm not a bad idea. Let's choose a fun religion though ... like bringing back the gods of Greek mythology. I think it would be way more badass all around.
'Oh you're Catholic. Me? Oh, well I worship Zeus ... sacrifice to Poseidon sometimes, etc.'
Hmmm not a bad idea. Let's choose a fun religion though ... like bringing back the gods of Greek mythology. I think it would be way more badass all around.
'Oh you're Catholic. Me? Oh, well I worship Zeus ... sacrifice to Poseidon sometimes, etc.'
I was gonna say Zoroastrianism would've been a cool one to do. But I'm down with the whole Zeus and Hercules thing.
I recently had a student from a 2-year nursing program tell me that they learn everything a doctor does, but condensed into 2 years. It's no surprise to me these idiots want to take over the medical field.
lmao @ NP's replacing doctors. of course NP's thinking that they go thru the training of doctors is like a pre-med student thinking they go thru the same training as PA's or something of that nature. I was tutoring some nursing students and it's unreal how much their material is watered down. The nursing organic chemistry was like the first 2 weeks of real orgo, and the nursing physiology is basically intro to bio level. I think it is safe to say that any med-student would be able to go thru nursing school in their sleep. No disrespect to nurses because I've seen them work and it's not easy by any means, but their schooling is easier than pre-med. So if their undergrad schooling is less meticulous than a physicians, how in the world is does their "grad schooling" even compare to that of a physicians? Just my $0.02.
heck, most of the time anyone, phlebotmist, x-ray tech, etc. walk into a pts. room they think they're a doc. so yeah, pts. are not easily confused at all.
it's a done deal.
i'll start recruiting. let's make tidings 20%
Indeed. We had a BSN program at my undergrad, and they had to take micro as one of their pre-reqs for the actual nursing classes. The professor watered down that class so much so that the nursing students could pass it, leaving those of us with a background in biology to bore holes into our skulls from the boredom of it. I don't think I learned a single thing in that class...
Makes me wonder about their A&P class... it was taught by a professor who was supposedly the pre-med advisor and told us that if we didn't take the MCAT after our sophomore year, we'd have to sit out a year before medical school.
What the heck makes you think that insurance companies will be so benevolent that they start giving the difference back to physicians?? If anything, they will pocket this difference to reap a profit (especially since they are going to be forced to reduce insurance premiums for the uninsured by the new legislation).
Also, as sad as it is, I think MANY uneducated citizens would actually choose NPs over MD/DOs since it is cost-effective, and they really don't have the foresight to realize the difference in education. To many uneducated people, anyone with a degree is "really smart"
So why dont you go into nursing?
Start medical school, then see if you would want nurses independently in charge of your care.
I for one, certainly do not.
Not the problem....residencies make practicing docs not med schools.
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[B said:/B];9534717]As a PA student, and as a generalization....
MD/DO + residency > PA/DNP in terms or training
Since when is taking the shorter, less difficult path so well rewarded??
PAs and NPs and god forbid, DNPS, all should practice under the supervision of a physician. otherwise, med school is the only option.
It drives me nuts when NPS claim superiority over PAs. Now these DNPs will be the equivalent of a physician??
more and more i regret not becoming a dentist....
I recently had a student from a 2-year nursing program tell me that they learn everything a doctor does, but condensed into 2 years. It's no surprise to me these idiots want to take over the medical field.
Wow. Just wow,
Please don't think that one idiot nurse is representative of us all.