Does Loma Linda look at Muslims unfavorably?

[Halcyon32]

I know that Loma Linda is a Christian private school and I have heard on here from several threads that they are pretty focused on christian applicants. Is it worth my time to apply there as a muslim when I have no experience or affiliation with other religious organizations/ECs?

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[mwsapphire]

I think if , as a muslim, you can stay within their list of
"dont's" ( and it's likely you can), they'd be fine with it. ( I'm Muslim)

 

[cactusman]

Most of the class is SDA or Christian of another denomination (they get admissions preference), but not everyone. I think you should mostly focus on whether you feel comfortable in that environment. It includes weekly chapel services, I believe.

 

[Halcyon32]

Most of the class is SDA or Christian of another denomination (they get admissions preference), but not everyone. I think you should mostly focus on whether you feel comfortable in that environment. It includes weekly chapel services, I believe.

I have no problem being around mostly christians. But this chapel service is optional, I'm assuming?

 

[cactusman]

I have no problem being around mostly christians. But this chapel service is optional, I'm assuming?

You're assuming wrong, from what I can find online.

 

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[Halcyon32]

You're assuming wrong, from what I can find online.

Oh, ok didn't know that. Thank you!

 

[Lawpy]

I know that Loma Linda is a Christian private school and I have heard on here from several threads that they are pretty focused on christian applicants. Is it worth my time to apply there as a muslim when I have no experience or affiliation with other religious organizations/ECs?

I'm indifferent to Loma Linda so honestly have no idea what they want. Paging @gyngyn for more info

 

[gyngyn]

A review of their home page reveals: "Since opening in 1909, Loma Linda University's School of Medicine has been training skilled medical professionals with a commitment to Christian service."

Under mission statement: "The mission of the School of Medicine is to continue the healing and teaching ministry of Jesus Christ, "To make man whole." "Our overriding purpose is to foster the formation of Christian physicians, providing whole-person care to individuals, families, and communities." "Creating an environment in which medical students, graduate students, and residents will acquire the knowledge, skills, values, and attitudes appropriate to Christian health professionals and scholars." "-sharing the good news of a loving God as demonstrated by the life and teachings of Jesus Christ—these are the goals of the students, faculty, and graduates of the School of Medicine." (italics, mine)

I am told that devout practitioners of other faiths are considered, but overwhelming evidence indicates a preference for Adventists, followed by other Christians.

 

[gyngyn]

I have no problem being around mostly christians.

They have a century of experience detecting those that are applying with the intention to tolerate their restrictions and expectations. They are looking for those who celebrate them!

 

[Halcyon32]

A review of their home page reveals: "Since opening in 1909, Loma Linda University's School of Medicine has been training skilled medical professionals with a commitment to Christian service."

Under mission statement: "The mission of the School of Medicine is to continue the healing and teaching ministry of Jesus Christ, "To make man whole." "Our overriding purpose is to foster the formation of Christian physicians, providing whole-person care to individuals, families, and communities." "Creating an environment in which medical students, graduate students, and residents will acquire the knowledge, skills, values, and attitudes appropriate to Christian health professionals and scholars." "-sharing the good news of a loving God as demonstrated by the life and teachings of Jesus Christ—these are the goals of the students, faculty, and graduates of the School of Medicine." (italics, mine)

I am told that devout practitioners of other faiths are considered, but overwhelming evidence indicates a preference for Adventists, followed by other Christians.

Thank you very much!

 

[Halcyon32]

They have a century of experience detecting those that are applying with the ability to tolerate their restrictions and expectations. They are looking for those who celebrate them!

This is a great point, thanks a lot.

 

[P0ke]

I just looked up their student policies and holy crap... straight from their student handbook
"
We believe that God’s ideal for sexuality is achieved when sexual
expression is limited to a man and a woman, who are husband and wife, committed in lifelong
marriage. Premarital and extramarital sexual expression and conduct are to be chaste, and
behaviors that suggest otherwise are to be avoided. Unchaste conduct is contrary to the ideals of
the University and will result in disciplinary action."

http://home.llu.edu/sites/home.llu.edu/files/docs/student-handbook.pdf

So no premarital sex, or gay sex, or else you get disciplined. Also, no alcohol,smoking, or ponography, and weekly chapel meetings. I don't think you'd really want to fake it for 4 years if you don't fit in.

 

[blackroses]

I just looked up their student policies and holy crap... straight from their student handbook
"
We believe that God’s ideal for sexuality is achieved when sexual
expression is limited to a man and a woman, who are husband and wife, committed in lifelong
marriage. Premarital and extramarital sexual expression and conduct are to be chaste, and
behaviors that suggest otherwise are to be avoided. Unchaste conduct is contrary to the ideals of
the University and will result in disciplinary action."

http://home.llu.edu/sites/home.llu.edu/files/docs/student-handbook.pdf

So no premarital sex, or gay sex, or else you get disciplined. Also, no alcohol or smoking, and weekly chapel meetings. I don't think you'd really want to fake it for 4 years if you don't fit in.

Beat me to it! I was under the impression that they had removed their "homosexuality clause" (for lack of better term), but looking through today I realized they just reworded it.

EDIT: I've just never really understood how they can juxtapose that clause with a clause that demands students treat everyone equally regardless of race, religion, sexuality, marital status, etc...

 

[cactusman]

I just looked up their student policies and holy crap... straight from their student handbook
"
We believe that God’s ideal for sexuality is achieved when sexual
expression is limited to a man and a woman, who are husband and wife, committed in lifelong
marriage. Premarital and extramarital sexual expression and conduct are to be chaste, and
behaviors that suggest otherwise are to be avoided. Unchaste conduct is contrary to the ideals of
the University and will result in disciplinary action."

http://home.llu.edu/sites/home.llu.edu/files/docs/student-handbook.pdf

So no premarital sex, or gay sex, or else you get disciplined. Also, no alcohol or smoking, and weekly chapel meetings. I don't think you'd really want to fake it for 4 years if you don't fit in.

Some devoutly religious non-Christian applicants follow all those restrictions, but I'm pretty sure a quick glance is all it takes to know if you're a fit at LL or LUCOM.

 

[michaeluad]

From the information I can find online, I will say your assumption is wrong.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I've just never really understood how they can juxtapose that clause with a clause that demands students treat everyone equally regardless of race, religion, sexuality, marital status, etc...

Believe it or not, it's possible to not engage in certain practices while treating everyone equally. Just because a student doesn't agree with homosexuality doesn't mean she's going to discriminate against gays or treat them differently.

 

[mwsapphire]

Believe it or not, it's possible to not engage in certain practices while treating everyone equally. Just because a student doesn't agree with homosexuality doesn't mean she's going to discriminate against gays or treat them differently.

Yeah,but the fact that they likely wouldnt let a gay,married people as students but would allow a straight couple in is treating differently,ntm them having sec being a violation of school code but a straight,married couple having sex is fine. From the school, its still discrimination.

Also (and this isn't replying to you,Matthew9thirtyfive) devout muslims follow those rules anyway, so OP is fine so long as that Chapel thing isn't mandatory. (That's what my first post said )


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[Halcyon32]

Yeah,but the fact that they likely wouldnt let a gay,married people as students but would allow a straight couple in is treating differently,ntm them having sec being a violation of school code but a straight,married couple having sex is fine. From the school, its still discrimination.

Also (and this isn't replying to you,Matthew9thirtyfive) devout muslims follow those rules anyway, so OP is fine so long as that Chapel thing isn't mandatory. (That's what my first post said )


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I mean its not like Muslims can't attend the chapel service either. I don't really see that as a huge obstacle even if it's mandatory, which apparently it is

 

[libertyyne]

Some devoutly religious non-Christian applicants follow all those restrictions, but I'm pretty sure a quick glance is all it takes to know if you're a fit at LL or LUCOM.

I think a good heuristic is to avoid any school that starts with the letter L. Coincidentally Lucifer also starts with the letter L. Unless you are seeking out that kinda thing.

I mean its not like Muslims can't attend the chapel service either. I don't really see that as a huge obstacle even if it's mandatory, which apparently it is

I mean is engaging in religious practices of another faith acceptable to the muslim faith? Usually religions tend to frown upon double dipping.

 

[Halcyon32]

I think a good heuristic is to avoid any school that starts with the letter L. Coincidentally Lucifer also starts with the letter L. Unless you are seeking out that kinda thing.

Coincidentally libertyyne starts with an L, too. Or maybe not coincidentally???

 

[libertyyne]

Coincidentally libertyyne starts with an L, too. Or maybe not coincidentally???

I am much closer to Lucifer than I am to Loving Loma Linda or Lucom. I also reccomend people avoid applying to the Libertyyne school of medicine.

 

[mwsapphire]

I think a good heuristic is to avoid any school that starts with the letter L. Coincidentally Lucifer also starts with the letter L. Unless you are seeking out that kinda thing.

I mean is engaging in religious practices of another faith acceptable to the muslim faith? Usually religions tend to frown upon double dipping.

What about Layola (in Chicago)




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[libertyyne]

What about Layola (in Chicago)




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That is actually the Stritch School of medicine.

 

[ConfusedChemist]

I just looked up their student policies and holy crap... straight from their student handbook
"
We believe that God’s ideal for sexuality is achieved when sexual
expression is limited to a man and a woman, who are husband and wife, committed in lifelong
marriage. Premarital and extramarital sexual expression and conduct are to be chaste, and
behaviors that suggest otherwise are to be avoided. Unchaste conduct is contrary to the ideals of
the University and will result in disciplinary action."

http://home.llu.edu/sites/home.llu.edu/files/docs/student-handbook.pdf

So no premarital sex, or gay sex, or else you get disciplined. Also, no alcohol,smoking, or ponography, and weekly chapel meetings. I don't think you'd really want to fake it for 4 years if you don't fit in.

How is this even legal?

I don't understand the US sometimes....no offense

 

[cactusman]

That is actually the Stritch School of medicine.

But if Stritch gets to stay, what does that mean for the Leonard M. Millers School of Medicine?

How is this even legal?

I don't understand the US sometimes....no offense

Religious private institutions can do just about anything. At least this doesn't violate rules about political campaigning by nonprofits.

 

[libertyyne]

But if Stritch gets to stay, what does that mean for the Leonard M. Millers School of Medicine?

Its a heuristic, it works most of the time, but then doesnt work sometimes. Plus no one calls it leonard M Millers, people always call it Miller or Miami.

• Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine (PA)- Mandatory classes and dress code.
• Liberty University College of Osteopathic Medicine (VA) - No sex, handholding, or drinking, plus mandatory religious activity
• Lincoln Memorial University (DeBusk) (TN)
• Loma Linda University (CA) No sex, handholding, or drinking, plus mandatory religious activity.
• Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center--New Orleans (LA)- State school takes mostly IS students, plus Louisiana.
• Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center--Shreveport (LA)-State school takes mostly IS students, plus Louisiana.

I think the heuristic still stands.

 

[cactusman]

How is this even legal?

I don't understand the US sometimes....no offense

Its a heuristic, it works most of the time, but then doesnt work sometimes. Plus no one calls it leonard M Millers, people always call it Miller or Miami.

• Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine (PA)- Mandatory classes and dress code.
• Liberty University College of Osteopathic Medicine (VA) - No sex, handholding, or drinking, plus mandatory religious activity
• Lincoln Memorial University (DeBusk) (TN)
• Loma Linda University (CA) No sex, handholding, or drinking, plus mandatory religious activity.
• Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center--New Orleans (LA)- State school takes mostly IS students, plus Louisiana.
• Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center--Shreveport (LA)-State school takes mostly IS students, plus Louisiana.

I think the heuristic still stands.

Leland Stanford Junior University School of Medicine tho

 

[ConfusedChemist]

Leland Stanford Junior University School of Medicine tho

Wow. So I learned something new today. Not sure I wanted to know that kind of thing still exists though

 

[EverStriving]

How is this even legal?

I don't understand the US sometimes....no offense

Separation of church and state. The legislature can't make laws limiting how religious institutions select their members.

 

[cactusman]

Wow. So I learned something new today. Not sure I wanted to know that kind of thing still exists though

Yeah I hate the thought of Stanford too.

 

[ConfusedChemist]

Separation of church and state. The legislature can't make laws limiting how religious institutions select their members.

hmm. See we have that too, but public institutions aren't allowed to have any kind of religious affiliation, so I guess that's how it gets by in the US like that still

 

[libertyyne]

hmm. See we have that too, but public institutions aren't allowed to have any kind of religious affiliation, so I guess that's how it gets by in the US like that still

Loma Linda University - Wikipedia

 

[mwsapphire]

Yeah I hate the thought of Stanford too.

Okay this just confused me. I feel like I'm missing some joke here.
edit: i was thinking it was sarcasm, but had this niggling feeling I was missing an inside joke, so I had to ask.

 

[cactusman]

Okay this just confused me. I feel like I'm missing some joke here.

Pure sarcasm. Also I wasn't quite sure why another poster didn't want to know "that kind of thing" still exists but I figured it wasn't actually because he hates Stanford.
Or maybe he does, they do reject a lot of people.

 

[OchemOficionado]

So no premarital sex, or gay sex, or else you get disciplined. Also, no alcohol,smoking, or ponography, and weekly chapel meetings. I don't think you'd really want to fake it for 4 years if you don't fit in.

I don't think it would be that hard. At least for someone who's straight and doesn't drink or smoke (even easier if you're married). You can watch what you want in the privacy of your own off campus home without fear of being caught. As well as pre/extra martial sex if you're off campus, discreet and not doing it with classmates. The chapel thing can be a small sacrifice for someone not super religious.

Sounds crazy. But I'm applying, haha.

 

[blackroses]

Believe it or not, it's possible to not engage in certain practices while treating everyone equally. Just because a student doesn't agree with homosexuality doesn't mean she's going to discriminate against gays or treat them differently.

My comment was directed at the administration more than the students. Seems a bit hypocritical to demand that students treat all others without discrimination while simultaneously discriminating against those same groups when choosing their class.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Yeah,but the fact that they likely wouldnt let a gay,married people as students but would allow a straight couple in is treating differently,ntm them having sec being a violation of school code but a straight,married couple having sex is fine. From the school, its still discrimination.

The code applies to students.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

My comment was directed at the administration more than the students. Seems a bit hypocritical to demand that students treat all others without discrimination while simultaneously discriminating against those same groups when choosing their class.

Fair enough.

 

[libertyyne]

I don't think it would be that hard. At least for someone who's straight and doesn't drink or smoke (even easier if you're married). You can watch what you want in the privacy of your own off campus home without fear of being caught. As well as pre/extra martial sex if you're off campus, discreet and not doing it with classmates. The chapel thing can be a small sacrifice for someone not super religious.

Sounds crazy. But I'm applying, haha.

I believe if any of your classmates rats you out for your premarital activities that could be considered unchaste, even if they were off campus, you can still be disciplined.

 

[blackroses]

Fair enough.

That said, I'll still argue that it's fairly hypocritical for the students to support an institution that actively discriminates against those groups that they are supposed to be treating without discrimination

 

[OchemOficionado]

I believe if any of your classmates rats you out for your premarital activities that could be considered unchaste, even if they were off campus, you can still be disciplined.

I said discreet.

How would they know?

I lived with 12 people during college and they thought I was an angel. Lol.

 

[blackroses]

I said discreet.

How would they know?

I lived with 12 people during college and they thought I was an angel. Lol.

It just seems like such a miserable and stressful game to play. I can't imagine being worried every time I went to a restaurant and got a beer or glass of wine with my food that a classmate who didn't like me would see me and report my actions to the administration. It's such a big sword hanging over your head for 4 years.

 

[OchemOficionado]

It just seems like such a miserable and stressful game to play. I can't imagine being worried every time I went to a restaurant and got a beer or glass of wine with my food that a classmate who didn't like me would see me and report my actions to the administration. It's such a big sword hanging over your head for 4 years.

That's exactly why is said it doesn't seem difficult for someone that doesn't drink or smoke, especially if they're married. Of course it's difficult if you try to stuff yourself into a box you don't fit in for an extended period.

Anything I may do currently on their DON'T list I do (hypothetically) very privately so I'm not worried. If I went there my life wouldn't change. Oh, except more church I guess.

 

[cactusman]

I just wonder how many Loma Linda and LUCOM students are on Tinder.
Or better yet: Grindr.

 

[libertyyne]

I just wonder how many Loma Linda and LUCOM students are on Tinder.

They wear a full hijab to prevent people from recognizing them.

 

[P0ke]

I don't think it would be that hard. At least for someone who's straight and doesn't drink or smoke (even easier if you're married). You can watch what you want in the privacy of your own off campus home without fear of being caught. As well as pre/extra martial sex if you're off campus, discreet and not doing it with classmates. The chapel thing can be a small sacrifice for someone not super religious.

Sounds crazy. But I'm applying, haha.

I'm trying to find a policy against masturbation so that all the kids who think they can just play World of Warcraft for 4 years have their strategy ruined.

I just wonder how many Loma Linda and LUCOM students are on Tinder.
Or better yet: Grindr.

Just make sure you put a disclaimer in your profile that you can't have premarital sex and I think it'd be fine.

 

[Goro]

How is this even legal?

I don't understand the US sometimes....no offense

Private school.

 

[miniman]

Its a heuristic, it works most of the time, but then doesnt work sometimes. Plus no one calls it leonard M Millers, people always call it Miller or Miami.

• Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine (PA)- Mandatory classes and dress code.
• Liberty University College of Osteopathic Medicine (VA) - No sex, handholding, or drinking, plus mandatory religious activity
• Lincoln Memorial University (DeBusk) (TN)
• Loma Linda University (CA) No sex, handholding, or drinking, plus mandatory religious activity.
• Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center--New Orleans (LA)- State school takes mostly IS students, plus Louisiana.
• Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center--Shreveport (LA)-State school takes mostly IS students, plus Louisiana.

I think the heuristic still stands.

CUSOM-- Christian-- I know they have dress codes. Don't know what else (no hand holding/ sex)

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

That said, I'll still argue that it's fairly hypocritical for the students to support an institution that actively discriminates against those groups that they are supposed to be treating without discrimination

I guess. I mean if the only school I got into was one of those schools, I'd have absolutely no problem sucking it up for 4 years. I'm Christian, straight, married, sober, and I don't watch porn, so it really wouldn't bother me.