DOs and MDs in the same family

[CrocodilePancake]

Long time lurker, and not trying to start a 'versus' thread, however, I am looking for some guidance on my current situation, or if anyone on here has shared a similar experience.

I applied with decent stats (3.7, 30) to both MD and DO schools this past cycle, accepted DO and waitlisted at multiple MD's. While I am excited to start medical school, a younger sibling of mine has recently been accepted early assurance to an MD program at which I was not offered an interview. Obviously I am having a hard time dealing with this, as he has achieved an similar/arguably greater outcome in considerably less time and effort. In order to maintain the conditional acceptance, my sibling only needs to maintain a 3.2 GPA and a score a 28 MCAT. Furthermore, a relative, who is also an MD, was ecstatic to know that my sibling was conditionally accepted, while I merely got a pat on the back, and a lecture on how I need to make sure to take USMLE.

Salty? Sure, I guess. Is it fair? I'm not sure. Is life fair? Absolutely not.

Regardless, I am thrilled that I will be a physician. Any advice on how to deal with this situation would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Crocodile Pancake

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[Jwalker]

Well we know who the beta sibling is

 

[Ogmora]

Show your sibling up by destroying the USMLE and matching derm. If you can do that, no one will question you. Your career is what you make of it, always give 110% and never let anyone set your limits for you, especially yourself.

 

[costales]

Not trying to respond to a 'versus' thread either, but you're so screwed.

I hope your family allows you to park your vehicle next to your brother's at family functions.

 

[Sam212]

You Indian/paki brah? I am willing to bet $10 that you are.

Long time lurker, and not trying to start a 'versus' thread, however, I am looking for some guidance on my current situation, or if anyone on here has shared a similar experience.

I applied with decent stats (3.7, 30) to both MD and DO schools this past cycle, accepted DO and waitlisted at multiple MD's. While I am excited to start medical school, a younger sibling of mine has recently been accepted early assurance to an MD program at which I was not offered an interview. Obviously I am having a hard time dealing with this, as he has achieved an similar/arguably greater outcome in considerably less time and effort. In order to maintain the conditional acceptance, my sibling only needs to maintain a 3.2 GPA and a score a 28 MCAT. Furthermore, a relative, who is also an MD, was ecstatic to know that my sibling was conditionally accepted, while I merely got a pat on the back, and a lecture on how I need to make sure to take USMLE.

Salty? Sure, I guess. Is it fair? I'm not sure. Is life fair? Absolutely not.

Regardless, I am thrilled that I will be a physician. Any advice on how to deal with this situation would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Crocodile Pancake

 

[CrocodilePancake]

@Sam212 caucasian my friend

and for everyone else, I would appreciate serious replies only

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

and for everyone else, I would appreciate serious replies only

If you want serious replies, you have to stop being a joke.

Seriously, what kind of jerk can't be happy for his brother?

 

[Dr. Zombie]

If you want serious replies, you have to stop being a joke.

Seriously, what kind of jerk can't be happy for his brother?

Cutthroat personalities can also infiltrate amongst kin too.

 

[NurWollen]

OP, honestly the best thing to do is just be happy for your brother and let it go. Btw, don't let yourself feel an ounce of shame. Applying to med school is about as predictable as a monkey throwing crap at a basketball hoop, no one is B.A. enough that they aren't lucky to have any seat given to them. You'll be ahead of your brother and will probably end up being an example for him.

 

[ChrisGriffen]

Lol. If you go to a DO school get ready for a lot more of that. Sorry to tell you, but in the real world (not sdn) you will be dealing with it. Lots of MDs look down on DOs.

 

[CrocodilePancake]

If you want serious replies, you have to stop being a joke.

Seriously, what kind of jerk can't be happy for his brother?

Didn't say I wasn't happy for my sibling, I was just reaching out if anyone else has dealt with a similar situation.

 

[Mad Jack]

Lol. If you go to a DO school get ready for a lot more of that. Sorry to tell you, but in the real world (not sdn) you will be dealing with it. Lots of MDs look down on DOs.

Weird. I'd heard the opposite is generally true post-residency from numerous MDs and DOs. I asked several of my MD attendings whether I should wait a year if it meant being MD vs DO, and every single one said take the DO, you'd be throwing away 300k not to and all that really matters is where you train. This was, of course, taking into consideration my career goals (most specialties just don't interest me).

 

[costales]

If you're for real - which I kinda doubt - learn to compete with yourself. Your motivation should be yourself and your own future. Pay no attention to what other people do or say, except your superiors.

If you're trolling, then your skill level is ridiculously low. Go outside and play.

 

[costales]

Weird. I'd heard the opposite is generally true post-residency from numerous MDs and DOs. I asked several of my MD attendings whether I should wait a year if it meant being MD vs DO, and every single one said take the DO, you'd be throwing away 300k not to and all that really matters is where you train. This was, of course, taking into consideration my career goals (most specialties just don't interest me).

There are prestige-conscious programs that filter out DOs, but I can tell you that I have not met an MD who doesn't view his/her DO colleagues as equals, especially in the ACGME competitive programs, partly because DOs in those programs had to have higher scores to get in.

 

[ChrisGriffen]

Generally speaking, MDs don't look down on us. That is not true across the board though. If you haven't met any that look down on you, you will. Trust me.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

Didn't say I wasn't happy for my sibling, I was just reaching out if anyone else has dealt with a similar situation.

What is there to deal with? You're just jelly and upset that someone in your family was happier for him. This is a case where it all falls on you to be happy for your sibling and grow some thick skin. Who cares what random MD second cousin or whatever he/she is thinks?

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

Lol. If you go to a DO school get ready for a lot more of that. Sorry to tell you, but in the real world (not sdn) you will be dealing with it. Lots of MDs look down on DOs.

Generally speaking, MDs don't look down on us. That is not true across the board though. If you haven't met any that look down on you, you will. Trust me.

lol. You're such a joke. I know you'll try to go for "lots is not generally, blah blah blah" spare me the BS.

Seriously, who cares what others think? Many X specialists look down on primary care. Many older doctors look down on younger doctors, etc.

Oh, and yes, I know you'll tourette into "you're a pre-med! durrr!" don't bother. It's played out and boring at this point.

 

[NurWollen]

Weird. I'd heard the opposite is generally true post-residency from numerous MDs and DOs. I asked several of my MD attendings whether I should wait a year if it meant being MD vs DO, and every single one said take the DO, you'd be throwing away 300k not to and all that really matters is where you train. This was, of course, taking into consideration my career goals (most specialties just don't interest me).

Don't listen to ChrisGeffen. He insists on being negative on every issue. As a DO you will opportunities that 99% of the population can only dream of. So what if some 70 year old internist or some 27 year old gunner at an academic center 'looks down on you.' You get to use you education to make people's lives better. You get respect from any decent person. You get a solid income and job security. Most people would be envious.

 

[ChrisGriffen]

Im not being negative at all, its being realistic. You can pretend all you want but you know I am right.

 

[ChrisGriffen]

....and Im pretty sure that you are agreeing with exactly what I posted. "Who cares if some old head or gunner looks down on you" is EXACTLY what I am talking about. Those people do exist, and you have to deal with them.

The world is not fair.

 

[costales]

Generally speaking, MDs don't look down on us. That is not true across the board though. If you haven't met any that look down on you, you will. Trust me.

I get the same paycheck as them. Who cares?

Look, people look down on each other all the time. Teenagers do it. Harvard professors do it. What can you do about it? If someone looks down on me because I didn't go to {insert brand name}, it's their problem.

 

[ChrisGriffen]

I think my point is being missed completely. Im not saying its a big deal. Im saying these people exist, and it is something you will have to be able to look past as a DO. To the OP, you are going to have to just deal with being a DO in a family of MDs, you are also going to have to handle being a DO in a hospital full of them.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

I think my point is being missed completely. Im not saying its a big deal. Im saying these people exist, and it is something you will have to be able to look past as a DO. To the OP, you are going to have to just deal with being a DO in a family of MDs, you are also going to have to handle being a DO in a hospital full of them.

Some people who look down on others exist... congrats on making such an insightful observation that everyone else has missed

 

[Mad Jack]

In any case, OP, if you're going to go through life with a chip on your shoulder, maybe you should just go for another cycle.

Stop comparing yourself to other people or you'll just be perpetually miserable. Why should someone else being successful affect your happiness? That's just ******ed.

 

[NurWollen]

lol. You're such a joke. I know you'll try to go for "lots is not generally, blah blah blah" spare me the BS.

Seriously, who cares what others think? Many X specialists look down on primary care. Many older doctors look down on younger doctors, etc.

Oh, and yes, I know you'll tourette into "you're a pre-med! durrr!" don't bother. It's played out and boring at this point.

You're right. This is pretty much the bane of medicine. The whole DO vs. MD thing is just one tiny aspect of it. Every specialty bashes those closest to their turf to protect their pocketbooks and to stoke their own egos. It's bad enough that it spills over into professional settings like medical school lectures and specialty journals. Specialists start their case study lectures with, "So what should you do if a family physician sends you..." The AAFP journal publishes studies showing the FPs can safely perform colonoscopies, while the GI journal publishes studies showing that they can't. Its one big pissing contest. Almost as bad as Washington.

I think the key is being confident in yourself, striving to be the best physician you can, in whatever specialty you choose, and making a conscious decision not to give a damn about others' opinions.

 

[NurWollen]

I think my point is being missed completely. Im not saying its a big deal. Im saying these people exist, and it is something you will have to be able to look past as a DO. To the OP, you are going to have to just deal with being a DO in a family of MDs, you are also going to have to handle being a DO in a hospital full of them.

In that case, I'm glad we're of the same mind. I guess our delivery of that opinion is a bit different.

 

[VanEman]

Take up surfing or frisbee or some other sport where you learn that there can be a lot of fun in just enjoying yourself rather than in beating the other guy.

 

[SLC]

Learn to not let stuff like this get to you. Imagine how sad inside someone must be to have to prop themselves up at the expense of others.

 

[Tri4thlete]

I have two brothers. We are pretty close and I always encourage them, and they always do the same for me. I'm not sure what the dynamic is between you and your brother, but seriously be happy for him! He should also be happy for you. You're both going to be doctors. The way it happened as far as getting into the school you probably wanted, well, that's just how the cookie crumbles.

It's annoying as well when pre-med students with zero clinical experience post responses like "DO? ggggg MD so much better." The Naivety burns me inside. I worked as an ED tech for Mayo Clinic and worked with several MDs and DOs. I had this discussion with many of the physicians and they didn't have ANYTHING bad to say about either degree. Not one person. You go on PA forums or other allied health forums and you find people who say "man I would KILL to be an MD/DO." They don't really care which one. Once you get to the top, people just need something to create drama about, so they talk about the differences between MDs and DOs. When I was working in the ED, I couldn't tell who got what degree unless I looked at their tag, everyone performed well.

IMO be happy, there are many people who try and get into either MD or DO schools for years. Just do work and get into a specialty that you want!

 

[Wilf]

Chris Griffin is being realistic, not overly negative.
One of my interviewers at the school I ended up going to told me not to go DO.
When I was applying to residency my school told me to be careful of programs with a lot of DOs or IMGs.

 

[NurWollen]

Chris Griffin is being realistic, not overly negative.
One of my interviewers at the school I ended up going to told me not to go DO.
When I was applying to residency my school told me to be careful of programs with a lot of DOs or IMGs.

No conflicts of interest there, of course.

When I was shopping at Walmart an employee told me not to go to Target.

 

[DermViser]

Chris Griffin is being realistic, not overly negative.
One of my interviewers at the school I ended up going to told me not to go DO.
When I was applying to residency my school told me to be careful of programs with a lot of DOs or IMGs.

Yeah, there's a reason for that. They are both correct.

 

[DermViser]

Long time lurker, and not trying to start a 'versus' thread, however, I am looking for some guidance on my current situation, or if anyone on here has shared a similar experience.

I applied with decent stats (3.7, 30) to both MD and DO schools this past cycle, accepted DO and waitlisted at multiple MD's. While I am excited to start medical school, a younger sibling of mine has recently been accepted early assurance to an MD program at which I was not offered an interview. Obviously I am having a hard time dealing with this, as he has achieved an similar/arguably greater outcome in considerably less time and effort. In order to maintain the conditional acceptance, my sibling only needs to maintain a 3.2 GPA and a score a 28 MCAT. Furthermore, a relative, who is also an MD, was ecstatic to know that my sibling was conditionally accepted, while I merely got a pat on the back, and a lecture on how I need to make sure to take USMLE.

Salty? Sure, I guess. Is it fair? I'm not sure. Is life fair? Absolutely not.

Regardless, I am thrilled that I will be a physician. Any advice on how to deal with this situation would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Crocodile Pancake

2 questions? Is that person with the conditional acceptance in college or high school and #2 - are you Asian or of Indian descent?

 

[NurWollen]

Yeah, there's a reason for that. They are both correct.

You know, you're one of the few people who comes here and actually advocates for DO discrimination.

 

[DermViser]

You know, you're one of the few people who comes here and actually advocates for DO discrimination.

It's not discrimination. It's pointing out of facts on the ground. No one is saying that this is the way things SHOULD be. It's the way things are and applicants have a right to know.

 

[BestDoctorEver]

Chris Griffin is being realistic, not overly negative.
One of my interviewers at the school I ended up going to told me not to go DO.
When I was applying to residency my school told me to be careful of programs with a lot of DOs or IMGs.

It is weird how some people in the MD world look at DO school... One of my classmates made a comment implying DO physicians are inferior after I told her I also had a DO acceptance. I just had to after she went on a rant about grade replacement...

 

[NurWollen]

It is weird how some people in the MD world looks at DO school... One of my classmates made a comment implying DO physicians are inferior after I told her I also had a DO acceptance. I just had to after she went on a rant about grade replacement...

MD students who rants about DOs being inferior are able to do so out of sheer luck. For everyone one of them there is someone in a DO school who is smarter, sharper, and harder working who just happened to get dealt a crappy hand when applying MD. I for one am thrilled to be in DO school. Some of my classmates have stats and backgrounds and experiences that put me to shame. It's an honor and privilidge to be in the same class with them.

 

[MDDOUnification]

MD students who rants about DOs being inferior are able to do so out of sheer luck. For everyone one of them there is someone in a DO school who is smarter, sharper, and harder working who just happened to get dealt a crappy hand when applying MD. I for one am thrilled to be in DO school. Some of my classmates have stats and backgrounds and experiences that put me to shame. It's an honor and privilidge to be in the same class with them.

It's a shame residency directors won't take all those things into consideration when reviewing your file.

 

[CrocodilePancake]

2 questions? Is that person with the conditional acceptance in college or high school and #2 - are you Asian or of Indian descent?

1-college
2-no

 

[DermViser]

It is weird how some people in the MD world looks at DO school... One of my classmates made a comment implying DO physicians are inferior after I told her I also had a DO acceptance. I just had to after she went on a rant about grade replacement...

And yet you choose an MD school at the end.

 

[BestDoctorEver]

@NurWollen ... I agree with you. The MD world has a bunch of elitists..

And yet you choose an MD school at the end.

I chose the MD school because tuition/year was about 18k less..... I truly felt the DO school would have been a better fit for me.; however, at the end it was hard for me to justify that 18k difference.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

It's not discrimination. It's pointing out of facts on the ground. No one is saying that this is the way things SHOULD be. It's the way things are and applicants have a right to know.

Dude, at least grow a pair and just say that you look down on DOs. It's obvious that you do from countless posts and at least you'll get what you want: "win" the argument.

 

[BestDoctorEver]

Dude, at least grow a pair and just say that you look down on DOs. It's obvious that you do from countless posts and at least you'll get what you want: "win" the argument.

Lol...

 

[DermViser]

Dude, at least grow a pair and just say that you look down on DOs. It's obvious that you do from countless posts and at least you'll get what you want: "win" the argument.

Ok, fine. Don't look at the facts on the ground. Continue to tell future applicants that it doesn't matter with respect to MD or DO when it comes to residency applications. Then when they come back to tell you that you were wrong - you can have them join the "D.O. discrimination" banner. I'm sure that will help things.
Congrats.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

Ok, fine. Don't look at the facts on the ground. Continue to tell future applicants that it doesn't matter with respect to MD or DO when it comes to residency applications. Then when they come back to tell you that you were wrong - you can have them join the "D.O. discrimination" banner. I'm sure that will help things.
Congrats.

If you go through my post history, you'll find me telling applicants to go for an MD acceptance if they can. I acknowledge and have discussed residency discrimination. The point people are making here is about being an attending. You don't have widespread job discrimination or people treating you like an outsider or a pest. Once you finish your training, most post people don't give a damn. Now, could you at least just admit the fact that you do look down on DOs? At least be honest in your interactions.

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

Many Rad Onc Doctors and Plastic Surgeons look down on Hem/Onc Doctors and General Surgeons. Any respectable person will avoid the latter two fields.

 

[NurWollen]

Many Rad Onc Doctors and Plastic Surgeons look down on Hem/Onc Doctors and General Surgeons. Any respectable person will avoid the latter two fields.

Exactly!

 

[Jumpstartmy5HT]

Eh, go to school and be a doctor. Learn OMT really well. When your family has back pain, use your techniques to make them feel better.


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[Mad Jack]

If you go through my post history, you'll find me telling applicants to go for an MD acceptance if they can. I acknowledge and have discussed residency discrimination. The point people are making here is about being an attending. You don't have widespread job discrimination or people treating you like an outsider or a pest. Once you finish your training, most post people don't give a damn. Now, could you at least just admit the fact that you do look down on DOs? At least be honest in your interactions.

You have to keep in mind that he's in derm of all things. He's looking at this from the perspective of a guy who wanted to match an ultra-competitive specialty and likely would have been unable to do so had he gone to a DO school. Any advocate of the specialties is going to say don't go DO. And they'll be right, because you're closing hundreds of doors. But in practice it will generally not matter if you are a DO or MD, aside from a few hospitals.

 

[worfndata]

This isn't 10,000bc and u are not dependent on ur tribe for survival. So stop caring what anyone else thinks. It's hard but it's also rational.