DO's.. aren't they like chiropractors?

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this is what my mom, who's a nurse (26 years) said to me when i told her my plans. so i explained it to her, but she didn't buy it. then i told her, "when i draw blood from people, the guys i take orders from, i know as doctor. as do you. but i don't ask what kind of dr. they are. if you ask you may find some of the people you have worked with are DOs. " she still didn't buy it. oh well.
im the black sheep of the family anyway.

thought id share. woof.

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again i reiterate, the experiences and knowledge of a nurse << than a doctor. not trying to crack on your mom, im referring to a different thread...

anyways, if you want some real useful opinions talk to some physician directors.
 
cooldreams said:
again i reiterate, the experiences and knowledge of a nurse << than a doctor. not trying to crack on your mom, im referring to a different thread...

anyways, if you want some real useful opinions talk to some physician directors.

Let it go man....
I reiterate....a nurse (or ANYONE with clinical experience) who enters med school will be much further along than a med student who hasnt. This is not the same as saying ones knowledge is greater than another.
However, Ive seen msiii and msiv and interns (yes, physicians...) crack in the ED, while a nurse didnt. :eek:

Nurses are a vital part of medicine. And are very important to physicians. They can also make or break your rotations if your not careful as a student and resident....
Be careful who you piss off....
 
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Actually, they kind of are like chiro's. But that's okay, cause they still learn other stuff too.
 
stomper627 said:
Let it go man....
I reiterate....a nurse (or ANYONE with clinical experience) who enters med school will be much further along than a med student who hasnt. This is not the same as saying ones knowledge is greater than another.
However, Ive seen msiii and msiv and interns (yes, physicians...) crack in the ED, while a nurse didnt. :eek:

Nurses are a vital part of medicine. And are very important to physicians. They can also make or break your rotations if your not careful as a student and resident....
Be careful who you piss off....


am i understanding you correctly? you are comparing a nurse with many years of experience to a student doctor that had no prior medical experience?

i just want to be clear, because that is totally off subject of this thread.

what is the point of your post? :confused:
 
Fenrezz said:
Actually, they kind of are like chiro's. But that's okay, cause they still learn other stuff too.

dont agree unless you are referring to omm specialists.

and even then they can prescribe drugs, perform surgery, etc while a chiro cannot.
 
hotdawg said:
:rolleyes:
this is what my mom, who's a nurse (26 years) said to me when i told her my plans. so i explained it to her, but she didn't buy it. then i told her, "when i draw blood from people, the guys i take orders from, i know as doctor. as do you. but i don't ask what kind of dr. they are. if you ask you may find some of the people you have worked with are DOs. " she still didn't buy it. oh well.
im the black sheep of the family anyway.

thought id share. woof.

where does she work at? any particular hospital. normally you can look up the doctors at those places, and probablly at private practices as well. show her right on the internet how the surgeon general of the military is a DO.

http://www.lstat.com/people_advisors.html
 
cooldreams said:
where does she work at? any particular hospital. normally you can look up the doctors at those places, and probablly at private practices as well. show her right on the internet how the surgeon general of the military is a DO..../QUOTE]

Now that's one famous chiropractor.

Lets get DOs on TV shows!

-Push

:)
 
pushinepi2 said:
Now that's one famous chiropractor.

Lets get DOs on TV shows!

-Push

:)

yay another person trying to be funny.... :sleep:
 
cooldreams said:
yay another person trying to be funny.... :sleep:

i actuaLLY want to reply to the nurse thing.

i work at a medical school. and ill never forget going for my physical before i took this job. as the RN was drawing blood from me, a gaggle of med students came in to bug her. she rolled her eyes ina playful way when they left, saying they like to come and ask her questions. sometimes, faking illnesses to see how she'd diagnose them. the point being nurses do perform a vital function. i cannot see why any nurse cannot make it in med school, at least the rotations part. schoolwise, maybe it would be different.

of course there is a reason why we want to become doctors as opposed to nurses, we want to make descisions. and my mom used to work in clinics because she speaks 4 languages, but now she works for a swanky upper west side practice where the docs went to harvard. so i guess, a DO wouldn't be good enough for her. but eff it. if i get in ill be the happiest dawg in the world.
 
My Mom is also a long time nurse who was not really familiar with DOs. She worked in NYC & then the northern suburbs. She is a very smart women who retired as the director of nursing of our community hospital. So its just not that uncommon.
 
cooldreams said:
am i understanding you correctly? you are comparing a nurse with many years of experience to a student doctor that had no prior medical experience?

i just want to be clear, because that is totally off subject of this thread.

what is the point of your post? :confused:

Yes, I was replying to your statement....Do you even read posts? Or do you just read the first line in them and then get all worked up and start writing?
For the first time, I have gotten you to see what I was saying the whole time in the other thread.
Congrats. I really hope it doesnt take you this long to grasp concepts in medical school.
 
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My fiancee is a nursing student. When she and her friends heard that I was applying to DO schools, they asked what they were. I explained it to them, but was sure to point out the DOs on staff at the hospital where they do clinicals. Seeing, "So and So, DO" as a staff on the ED or in an IM area more or less ended any reservations they had.

When they found out I might be going to a Caribbean school, I was surprised by their reaction -- envy. :D I'm actually finding most average people are more shocked that you can go to med school on a tropical island because of the location, not because of the circumstances of why one would attend there.

Keep in mind that most people don't know about all of this stuff in the same manner that we do. They know that MD = doctor and DO = doctor, once you tell them.

In the end, though, it doesn't really matter.
 
stomper627 said:
Let it go man....
I reiterate....a nurse (or ANYONE with clinical experience) who enters med school will be much further along than a med student who hasnt. This is not the same as saying ones knowledge is greater than another.
However, Ive seen msiii and msiv and interns (yes, physicians...) crack in the ED, while a nurse didnt. :eek:

Nurses are a vital part of medicine. And are very important to physicians. They can also make or break your rotations if your not careful as a student and resident....
Be careful who you piss off....

You do strike an insightful explanation. However, I can assure that the reason that the nurse does not crack in the “ER” is because he/she is not going to be the one that is blamed if the patient dies. Knowing that you have to apply what you have learned over the past 10 years of higher education, in order to save a particular individuals life, is very stressful. A Nurse does not have any more medical terminology that an intern. I don’t know where you got that thought from. Sure, they are more prone to seeing trauma. However, it does not take long to get use to seeing blood and suffering. Nurses are there to help. Doctors are there to save lives. The nurse does not have to worry about malpractice, blame, or life altering decisions. They assist the doctor (this means DOs too). The OP mother should be more supportive of her son’s decision. There are DOs practicing in every specialty of medicine (including: neurosurgery, plastic surgery, cardiology, ER)

To the OP: Nurses do not know as much about the politics of medicine as you give them credit. A nurse once told me that podiatry and chiropractics was a good field to go into. Could she be more wrong? Those two specialties are a joke and take students with 2.5 GPAs. That particular nurse had also never heard of Osteopathic medicine. Few DOs practice manipulative therapy and the few that do, are in family practice. Osteopathic medicine is used by many interns as a stepping stone to an allopathic residency. Don’t believe what your mom says. She obviously doesn’t know her stuff. Does she (a nurse) really think that she is above an Osteopathic physician? What a joke!

Trollish thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
LSU-Tech said:
You do strike an insightful explanation. However, I can assure that the reason that the nurse does not crack in the “ER” is because he/she is not going to be the one that is blamed if the patient dies. Knowing that you have to apply what you have learned over the past 10 years of higher education, in order to save a particular individuals life, is very stressful. A Nurse does not have any more medical terminology that an intern. I don’t know where you got that thought from. Sure, they are more prone to seeing trauma. However, it does not take long to get use to seeing blood and suffering. Nurses are there to help. Doctors are there to save lives. The nurse does not have to worry about malpractice, blame, or life altering decisions. They assist the doctor (this means DOs too). The OP mother should be more supportive of her son’s decision. There are DOs practicing in every specialty of medicine (including: neurosurgery, plastic surgery, cardiology, ER)

To the OP: Nurses do not know as much about the politics of medicine as you give them credit. A nurse once told me that podiatry and chiropractics was a good field to go into. Could she be more wrong? Those two specialties are a joke and take students with 2.5 GPAs. That particular nurse had also never heard of Osteopathic medicine. Few DOs practice manipulative therapy and the few that do, are in family practice. Osteopathic medicine is used by many interns as a stepping stone to an allopathic residency. Don’t believe what your mom says. She obviously doesn’t know her stuff. Does she (a nurse) really think that she is above an Osteopathic physician? What a joke!

Trollish thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I think you forgot to tell every one that you are smarter than every one!.
let some air out of your ego, Podiatry and chiropractics are not a joke, and i guess you think a family doc who uses OMM is sub-par.
 
stomper627 said:
Yes, I was replying to your statement....Do you even read posts? Or do you just read the first line in them and then get all worked up and start writing?
For the first time, I have gotten you to see what I was saying the whole time in the other thread.
Congrats. I really hope it doesnt take you this long to grasp concepts in medical school.

and the point of your nonesense is... oh yea.. duh... NONSENSE... yay for stomper and nonsense... :rolleyes:
 
drtongue_danger said:
I think you forgot to tell every one that you are smarter than every one!.
let some air out of your ego, Podiatry and chiropractics are not a joke, and i guess you think a family doc who uses OMM is sub-par.

I was by no means bashing the Osteopathic profession. I applied to a few Osteopathic schools myself, and if I did not get into my state allopathic school, I would be attending PCOM this fall. However, I do not believe in OMM. I would have used the Osteopathic school as a stepping stone to an Allopathic residency (surgery). I would have been glad to have DO behind my name if it was the only way I could have become a physician. That being said, I would have much more respect for chiropractors and podiatrist if their schools would stop accepting such unworthy applicants. It seems as though these schools have turned into “degree mills” that will give anyone who is willing to go to school for 8-10 years a doctorate in chiropractics or podiatry. If they raised their average GPAs to at least a 3.0 they would have my respect. Besides, with Osteopaths to manipulate the spine and Orthopedics/wound care management to perform surgical/medical intervention of the foot, both professions are really dispensable when you think about it. That is why the AMA and the AOA do consider chiropractors or podiatrists physicians. Take this info as you will. I’m going on national statistics. Parts of Canada have done away with podiatry and the Chiropractic field is looking grim. Over 50% of Chiropractors fail in practice.
 
LSU-Tech said:
I was by no means bashing the Osteopathic profession. I applied to a few Osteopathic schools myself, and if I did not get into my state allopathic school, I would be attending PCOM this fall. However, I do not believe in OMM. I would have used the Osteopathic school as a stepping stone to an Allopathic residency (surgery). I would have been glad to have DO behind my name if it was the only way I could have become a physician. That being said, I would have much more respect for chiropractors and podiatrist if their schools would stop accepting such unworthy applicants. It seems as though these schools have turned into “degree mills” that will give anyone who is willing to go to school for 8-10 years a doctorate in chiropractics or podiatry. If they raised their average GPAs to at least a 3.0 they would have my respect. Besides, with Osteopaths to manipulate the spine and Orthopedics/wound care management to perform surgical/medical intervention of the foot, both professions are really dispensable when you think about it. That is why the AMA and the AOA do consider chiropractors or podiatrists physicians. Take this info as you will. I’m going on national statistics. Parts of Canada have done away with podiatry and the Chiropractic field is looking grim. Over 50% of Chiropractors fail in practice.

Sigh.. yes, I was that guy TRYING to be funny... I was also TRYING to move this thread in a direction other than the opinion-slinging mud fest it has become. There's enough reliable information on AMA and AOA websites to make an informed judgement about osteopathic physicians and chiropractors.

Secondly, how can LSU-Tech make any credible statements whatsoever about osteopathic education when he didn't successfully matriculate into his hometown OSTEOPATHIC school ? I'm glad you would have used our profession as a stepping stone... It seems that PCOM didn't even want you as a doormat. I know of several people currently training at PCOM affiliated surgical and subspecialty residencies. These are highly competitive and sought after post-grad spots. Faculty who serve on the PCOM affiliated programs come from some of the finest medical institutions around and are in no way subordinate to their purely allopathic counterparts. Consider the AECOM EM residency. This is a dually approved training site that boasts a 100% board pass rate. They've recruited none other than Richard Levitan (the airway cam-man himself) to guide their residents through the advanced airway course. The program director is himself an osteopathic board-certified DO who supervises other ivy-leage educated allopaths. Also, PCOM surgical residents do time at CHOP, Jefferson, Temple, and other top-notch institutions.

There are lots of misconceptions about DOs and inaccurate information is spewed forth almost daily. Controversy exists over OMM, post-graduate training opportunities, and prestige. The important thing to remember is that there are currently TWO types of completely licensed physicians in the continental united states. Chiropractors can't prescribe medicine or do surgery and podiatrists can't, generally speaking, treat people for problems above the knee. Those facts, while doing little to dispel some of the popular inaccuracies, are what distinguishes osteopathic physicians from their DC, DPM, and OD counterparts.... no matter what your mama tells you.

:)

Glad for the stepping stone,

Push
 
cooldreams said:
and the point of your nonesense is... oh yea.. duh... NONSENSE... yay for stomper and nonsense... :rolleyes:


yeah, you finally got it. Im so proud of you....it has only taken about a week before you realized it. Comprehension....its great isnt it?
 
stomper627 said:
yeah, you finally got it. Im so proud of you....it has only taken about a week before you realized it. Comprehension....its great isnt it?


sorry i was giving you the benefit of the doubt. i had hoped that you were attempting to communicate in an intellectual and constructive manner. boy was i wrong and naive.... :thumbdown:
 
Tell me, is this a D.O. or a chiro?



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Think about it!
 
Definatly a DO. He's not using an "Activator".
 
pushinepi2 said:
Sigh.. yes, I was that guy TRYING to be funny... I was also TRYING to move this thread in a direction other than the opinion-slinging mud fest it has become. There's enough reliable information on AMA and AOA websites to make an informed judgement about osteopathic physicians and chiropractors.

Secondly, how can LSU-Tech make any credible statements whatsoever about osteopathic education when he didn't successfully matriculate into his hometown OSTEOPATHIC school ? I'm glad you would have used our profession as a stepping stone... It seems that PCOM didn't even want you as a doormat. I know of several people currently training at PCOM affiliated surgical and subspecialty residencies. These are highly competitive and sought after post-grad spots. Faculty who serve on the PCOM affiliated programs come from some of the finest medical institutions around and are in no way subordinate to their purely allopathic counterparts. Consider the AECOM EM residency. This is a dually approved training site that boasts a 100% board pass rate. They've recruited none other than Richard Levitan (the airway cam-man himself) to guide their residents through the advanced airway course. The program director is himself an osteopathic board-certified DO who supervises other ivy-leage educated allopaths. Also, PCOM surgical residents do time at CHOP, Jefferson, Temple, and other top-notch institutions.

There are lots of misconceptions about DOs and inaccurate information is spewed forth almost daily. Controversy exists over OMM, post-graduate training opportunities, and prestige. The important thing to remember is that there are currently TWO types of completely licensed physicians in the continental united states. Chiropractors can't prescribe medicine or do surgery and podiatrists can't, generally speaking, treat people for problems above the knee. Those facts, while doing little to dispel some of the popular inaccuracies, are what distinguishes osteopathic physicians from their DC, DPM, and OD counterparts.... no matter what your mama tells you.

:)

Glad for the stepping stone,

Push

Can you not read? You totally turned my words around and made it sound as though I was bashing DOs. Maybe you should brush up on those reading comprehension skills before you try to tackle the MCAT there buddy. Furthermore, PCOM did want me. Like I said, I turned down their acceptance for my state school. I live in Louisiana, where this is no Osteopathic med school. I would have to be a fool to pay private school tuition over state. I should save around $20,000 a year by attending med school in my state. I also know that LSU is good school. I would rather go to Allopathic med school anyways. I’m not saying Allopathic is better that Osteopathic. I just think that Allopathic offers more opportunities for surgical residencies. I would really like to pursue cosmetic surgery and going to an Osteopathic school will only make that dream a little harder to reach. I know it’s possible for DOs to become plastic surgeons. However, I feel as though it is easier for MDs to obtain such a competitive residency. PCOM is a great school that offers great surgical programs.

I just love the way you turned my words around in my last posts in order to make it sound as though I was offending the Osteopathic profession. I fully respect DOs as they deserve the same prestige as any MD. However, society is poorly educated on the subject of Osteopathic medicine and I really did not want to spend my entire life explaining to my patients what DO meant, if I didn’t have to. Why don’t you read though this posts and make sure you thoroughly comprehend what I’m saying before you criticize my own personal opinions again? Like it or not, this is the reality of medicine and obtaining a surgical residency.

Yours
 
Fenrezz said:
Tell me, is this a D.O. or a chiro?



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Think about it!

He’s a chiropractor. Look around this at the furniture and wardrobe. The picture is clearly pre-1894. 1894 was the year that the first Osteopathic physicians graduated from Kirksville. I realize that the patient is wearing denim pants. However, Levi Strauss created the first pair of denim pants in the 1850s during the California gold rush. He’s clearly a chiropractor. Maybe it's two gay lovers. One of them is giving the other a sensual massage. Try to keep an open mind. :laugh:
 
Palmer did'nt come up with chriopractory untill 1896 after he was a patient at AT Stills hospital. His name is in the registration book at the Sanitarium. If you want conformation call the Musem at Kirksville and ask them.
 
Docgeorge said:
Palmer did'nt come up with chriopractory untill 1896 after he was a patient at AT Stills hospital. His name is in the registration book at the Sanitarium. If you want conformation call the Musem at Kirksville and ask them.

yea for real... omt was BEFORE chiro
 
LSU-Tech said:
He’s a chiropractor. Look around this at the furniture and wardrobe. The picture is clearly pre-1894. 1894 was the year that the first Osteopathic physicians graduated from Kirksville. I realize that the patient is wearing denim pants. However, Levi Strauss created the first pair of denim pants in the 1850s during the California gold rush. He’s clearly a chiropractor. Maybe it's two gay lovers. One of them is giving the other a sensual massage. Try to keep an open mind. :laugh:

You need to brush up on your history of chiro, brother.
 
All of you guys need to seriously brush up on your chiropractic history. That picture is actually of B.J. Palmer. Secondly, at that time and even still today the majority of chiropractic techniques are all HVLA(high velocity low amplitude) while most osteopathic techniques are not. In this picture B.J. is about to deliver an adjustment to the thoracic spine to help restore nerve fuction so that this persons innate intelligence can thrive uninterrupted. At this point in time A.T. Still was still focusing on the supremacy of the artery and not the nervous system. B.J. Palmer was the first to declare the efficacy of the adjustment results from the restoration of the master controller of the body which is the nervous sytem, not blood flow. Also, please keep in mind that over 99% of joint manipulation in the United States is performed by chiropractors, not osteopaths. There are currently more actively practicing chiropractors in the United States then there are osteopaths(in all medical specialties combined.) This is not a bash against osteopathy, just some facts that most people are unaware of.
 
skiiboy said:
All of you guys need to seriously brush up on your chiropractic history. That picture is actually of B.J. Palmer. Secondly, at that time and even still today the majority of chiropractic techniques are all HVLA(high velocity low amplitude) while most osteopathic techniques are not. In this picture B.J. is about to deliver an adjustment to the thoracic spine to help restore nerve fuction so that this persons innate intelligence can thrive uninterupted. At this point in time A.T. Still was still focusing on the supremacy of the artery and not the nervous system. B.J. Palmer was the first to declare the efficacy of the adjustment results from the restoration of the master controller of the body which is the nervous sytem, not blood flow. Also, please keep in mind that over 99% of joint manipulation in the United States is performed by chiropractors, not osteopaths. There are currently more actively practicing chiropractors in the United States then there are osteopaths(in all medical specialties combined.) This is not a bash against osteopathy, just some facts that most people are unaware of.

Nope. Palmer got his stuff from Still.

"At the turn of the century the osteopathic profession bitterly denounced chiropractic as a "pure steal." In actuality, Palmer lived but a short distance from Still and several Missouri chiropractors reported seeing D.D. Palmer's name in A.T. Still's guest book in the early 1890s. The historian, Booth, named Obie Stothers as the DO who taught Palmer the "old doctor's" (Still's) osteopathic techniques."

-chiropractic website
 
-chiropractic website

Please be more specific than "chiropractic website". I am very interested to see what chiropractic website has this listed and the context that it is in.
 
cooldreams said:
again i reiterate, the experiences and knowledge of a nurse << than a doctor.
i second that!!! wait...let me second that again for good measure
 
OSUdoc08 said:
You need to brush up on your history of chiro, brother.

Brush up on my chiro history. Please! Chiropractics are a joke. Chiropractors need to spend less time preaching that manipulative therapy mumbo jumbo crap and spend more time developing a way to prove that manipulative techniques even works! Why would I waste a second of my life learning about a hocus pocus bull crap wanna be form of medicine. Lets cut the $hit. People go to chiropractics schools because they don’t have the stats to get into Allopathic/Osteopathic schools. I do not realize why you guys are supporting such a corrupt form of medicine. Maybe it’s because your going to use chiropractic schools as a backup plan in case you don’t get into Osteopathic school. Do you really just want to be called “a doctor” that bad? Did you know that chiropractic schools are the only medical programs that teach their students to deceive the patient, in order to make them think that chiropractic method are the way to go, when they are knowingly aware that there are better, proven techniques than manipulation of the spine?

Here’s a few websites containing statistics that prove that I’m not pulling this info out of my A$$.
http://jeromekahn123.tripod.com/quackery/id11.html

http://www.skepticfiles.org/skep2/chiroqak.htm

http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/chiro_illegitimate.html

Here’s a website showing that Chiropractic Admission Standards are the lowest among health professions
http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2004/07/chiropractic-admission-standands.html

If this info convinces at least one student out there to not pursue a career in chiropractics then I fell as though my work is done.

Yours
 
LSU-Tech said:
Brush up on my chiro history. Please! Chiropractics are a joke. Chiropractors need to spend less time preaching that manipulative therapy mumbo jumbo crap and spend more time developing a way to prove that manipulative techniques even works! Why would I waste a second of my life learning about a hocus pocus bull crap wanna be form of medicine. Lets cut the $hit. People go to chiropractics schools because they don’t have the stats to get into Allopathic/Osteopathic schools. I do not realize why you guys are supporting such a corrupt form of medicine. Maybe it’s because your going to use chiropractic schools as a backup plan in case you don’t get into Osteopathic school. Do you really just want to be called “a doctor” that bad? Did you know that chiropractic schools are the only medical programs that teach their students to deceive the patient, in order to make them think that chiropractic method are the way to go, when they are knowingly aware that there are better, proven techniques than manipulation of the spine?

Here’s a few websites containing statistics that prove that I’m not pulling this info out of my A$$.
http://jeromekahn123.tripod.com/quackery/id11.html

http://www.skepticfiles.org/skep2/chiroqak.htm

http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/chiro_illegitimate.html

Here’s a website showing that Chiropractic Admission Standards are the lowest among health professions
http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2004/07/chiropractic-admission-standands.html

If this info convinces at least one student out there to not pursue a career in chiropractics then I fell as though my work is done.

Yours

The comment on brushing up on your history was the implication you made that chiropractics began before osteopathy, even though it was quite the opposite.
 
hotdawg said:
i actuaLLY want to reply to the nurse thing.

i work at a medical school. and ill never forget going for my physical before i took this job. as the RN was drawing blood from me, a gaggle of med students came in to bug her. she rolled her eyes ina playful way when they left, saying they like to come and ask her questions. sometimes, faking illnesses to see how she'd diagnose them. the point being nurses do perform a vital function. i cannot see why any nurse cannot make it in med school, at least the rotations part. schoolwise, maybe it would be different.

of course there is a reason why we want to become doctors as opposed to nurses, we want to make descisions. and my mom used to work in clinics because she speaks 4 languages, but now she works for a swanky upper west side practice where the docs went to harvard. so i guess, a DO wouldn't be good enough for her. but eff it. if i get in ill be the happiest dawg in the world.


i side with you. i know many nurses and nursing students and they are all bright motivated people. however i think the true distinction in personality drawing one toward MD/DO versus RN is RESPONSIBLITY. nurses play a crucial role, but even they will tell you that they want to assist doctors not play doctor. some have so much experience the interns basically learn from these nurses as it should be, since knowledge is knowledge.

when i start interacting with nurses and patients, i will give them just as much respect as i would my attending, cause the nurses know alot, and there are more of them then us :) they can easily make you life hell.

one last thing.....whats wrong with being a chiropractor?!
 
LSU-Tech said:
Brush up on my chiro history. Please! Chiropractics are a joke. Chiropractors need to spend less time preaching that manipulative therapy mumbo jumbo crap and spend more time developing a way to prove that manipulative techniques even works! Why would I waste a second of my life learning about a hocus pocus bull crap wanna be form of medicine. Lets cut the $hit. People go to chiropractics schools because they don’t have the stats to get into Allopathic/Osteopathic schools. I do not realize why you guys are supporting such a corrupt form of medicine. Maybe it’s because your going to use chiropractic schools as a backup plan in case you don’t get into Osteopathic school. Do you really just want to be called “a doctor” that bad? Did you know that chiropractic schools are the only medical programs that teach their students to deceive the patient, in order to make them think that chiropractic method are the way to go, when they are knowingly aware that there are better, proven techniques than manipulation of the spine?

Here’s a few websites containing statistics that prove that I’m not pulling this info out of my A$$.
http://jeromekahn123.tripod.com/quackery/id11.html

http://www.skepticfiles.org/skep2/chiroqak.htm

http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/chiro_illegitimate.html

Here’s a website showing that Chiropractic Admission Standards are the lowest among health professions
http://quackfiles.blogspot.com/2004/07/chiropractic-admission-standands.html

If this info convinces at least one student out there to not pursue a career in chiropractics then I fell as though my work is done.

Yours


Brush up on my chiro history. Please! Chiropractics are a joke. Chiropractors need to spend less time preaching that manipulative therapy mumbo jumbo crap and spend more time developing a way to prove that manipulative techniques even works!

I wouldn't go as far to say the whole profession is a joke. I do agree that chiropractic needs to either shut up with the philosophical hocus pocus or do exactly what you preach and prove their claims. Personally, I am not a big subluxation believer.

Why would I waste a second of my life learning about a hocus pocus bull crap wanna be form of medicine.

Why would anyone?

Lets cut the $hit. People go to chiropractics schools because they don’t have the stats to get into Allopathic/Osteopathic schools.

Really, where did you read that? I actually had two people in my class that left medical school to pursue chiropractic. I guess now you'll say they couldn't hack it, huh?

I do not realize why you guys are supporting such a corrupt form of medicine. Maybe it’s because your going to use chiropractic schools as a backup plan in case you don’t get into Osteopathic school.

What support?

Do you really just want to be called “a doctor” that bad?

Nope, I really don't care. Most patients call me by first name. Hey, I could have gone the DPT route which would have been cheaper. I guess they want to be called "a doctor" real bad too.

Did you know that chiropractic schools are the only medical programs that teach their students to deceive the patient, in order to make them think that chiropractic method are the way to go, when they are knowingly aware that there are better, proven techniques than manipulation of the spine?

It takes a doctor to know when and when not to adjust or manipulate a patient. Chiropractors spend more time learning when and when not to manipulate a patient than anyone. What conditions are you talking about where chiropractors are saying their way "manipulation" is the only answer or treatment?
 
Fenrezz said:
Tell me, is this a D.O. or a chiro?



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Think about it!


If I could grow a beard like that I would quit medicine and start a painting show on public access television.

Now that's a DO response!
 
Boy you guys are pretty volatile. A simple painting is enough to spark up a DO v. Chiro fight.

I think we're wasting our time fighting the chiros, though. We need to rumble with the MD's again, seeing as they are the ones who have been holding us back for years.

Let's get a good MD/DO flame war going and put those punks in their place!
 
Fenrezz said:
Boy you guys are pretty volatile. A simple painting is enough to spark up a DO v. Chiro fight.

I think we're wasting our time fighting the chiros, though. We need to rumble with the MD's again, seeing as they are the ones who have been holding us back for years.

Let's get a good MD/DO flame war going and put those punks in their place!

I've been training for years for that

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cooldreams said:
sorry i was giving you the benefit of the doubt. i had hoped that you were attempting to communicate in an intellectual and constructive manner. boy was i wrong and naive.... :thumbdown:

I tried that with you in another thread, and you still couldnt grasp what was being stated. As you clearly kept "assuming" I meant something that was clearly not stated. Thus your attempt at reading comprehension was at a juvenile level. Hence, I deducted that you must be a juvenile or at least of similar cognitive ability as a juvenile.
Was I wrong? If so, I apologize. :)
 
pushinepi2 said:
Sigh.. yes, I was that guy TRYING to be funny... I was also TRYING to move this thread in a direction other than the opinion-slinging mud fest it has become. There's enough reliable information on AMA and AOA websites to make an informed judgement about osteopathic physicians and chiropractors.

Secondly, how can LSU-Tech make any credible statements whatsoever about osteopathic education when he didn't successfully matriculate into his hometown OSTEOPATHIC school ? I'm glad you would have used our profession as a stepping stone... It seems that PCOM didn't even want you as a doormat. I know of several people currently training at PCOM affiliated surgical and subspecialty residencies. These are highly competitive and sought after post-grad spots. Faculty who serve on the PCOM affiliated programs come from some of the finest medical institutions around and are in no way subordinate to their purely allopathic counterparts. Consider the AECOM EM residency. This is a dually approved training site that boasts a 100% board pass rate. They've recruited none other than Richard Levitan (the airway cam-man himself) to guide their residents through the advanced airway course. The program director is himself an osteopathic board-certified DO who supervises other ivy-leage educated allopaths. Also, PCOM surgical residents do time at CHOP, Jefferson, Temple, and other top-notch institutions.

There are lots of misconceptions about DOs and inaccurate information is spewed forth almost daily. Controversy exists over OMM, post-graduate training opportunities, and prestige. The important thing to remember is that there are currently TWO types of completely licensed physicians in the continental united states. Chiropractors can't prescribe medicine or do surgery and podiatrists can't, generally speaking, treat people for problems above the knee. Those facts, while doing little to dispel some of the popular inaccuracies, are what distinguishes osteopathic physicians from their DC, DPM, and OD counterparts.... no matter what your mama tells you.

:)

Glad for the stepping stone,

Push




theres a DO at AECOM? i've been here looking for one and theres one here somewhere? rad.

before this thread gets out of hand, look...i think the point is, people will have thier misconceptions. and thier hang-ups. no matter what yr bag is, DO, chiro, etc...you are there for a reason, to help people and be the best at what you do. my mom is old school. i just thought it was funny. like sad funny. but shes entitiled to her opinion, and i dont diss nurses, cuz doctors cant exsist without them. but then phd's ****e on techs, even tho they cant run thier experiments without them. lets just try to encourage each other to succeed ?

i need to be shot. im running my mouth..

good luck to you all
 
stomper627 said:
I tried that with you in another thread, and you still couldnt grasp what was being stated. As you clearly kept "assuming" I meant something that was clearly not stated. Thus your attempt at reading comprehension was at a juvenile level. Hence, I deducted that you must be a juvenile or at least of similar cognitive ability as a juvenile.
Was I wrong? If so, I apologize. :)

i have actually tested at a 155 iq. :eek:

:D

while that does not directly lend itself to meaning a high cognitive ability, i felt the need to let everyone know where i stand... ;)
 
To pushinepi2 and hotdawg

Just a quick correction

PCOM's EM residency program is not affliated with AECOM. AECOM is Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University up in NY.

PCOM's EM residency is affliated with Albert Einstein Medical Center here in Philadelphia, a level 1 trauma center with >55k annual visit (according to their site) and more than 1100 major trauma patients. The residency director at AEMC is Douglas McGee, DO - who has just been installed as the president of the Pennsylvania chapter of ACEP

http://www.einstein.edu/emergency/education/index.html
 
group_theory said:
To pushinepi2 and hotdawg

Just a quick correction

PCOM's EM residency program is not affliated with AECOM. AECOM is Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University up in NY.

PCOM's EM residency is affliated with Albert Einstein Medical Center here in Philadelphia, a level 1 trauma center with >55k annual visit (according to their site) and more than 1100 major trauma patients. The residency director at AEMC is Douglas McGee, DO - who has just been installed as the president of the Pennsylvania chapter of ACEP

http://www.einstein.edu/emergency/education/index.html


AECOM=AEMC in my post. Damn those acronyms. Appreciate it!

-Push
 
Really said:
I don’t think that they couldn’t hack it. However, I do believe that they were uninformed about the politics regarding chiropractics. With the corruptness, high tuition, and total lack of respect, I don’t understand why any student would consider chiropractics. Especially, a med student with his/her entire life ahead of them. If indeed manipulative therapy has a place, it is with the Osteopaths. I believe that the Osteopathic profession allows the chiropractic profession o be totally dispensable. I wonder if anyone has ever been denied admissions by a chiropractic school.
 
cooldreams said:
i have actually tested at a 155 iq. :eek:

:D

while that does not directly lend itself to meaning a high cognitive ability, i felt the need to let everyone know where i stand... ;)

155!!! Why didn't you say so before
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I used to go to a chiropractor to get my physical signed for high school sports. The school never questioned it. Now that I think back on it.. Was that legal?

Of course the signing of the physical without an exam is probably not ethical, but are chiropractors able to do a physical?
 
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